October 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Pretty well: Unvaxxed 10% of Israelis Are 73% of Serious Cases, 65% of Deaths Good to hear. Thread reads as if there might be some reservations about the treatments ability to protect them.
October 11, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Good to hear. Thread reads as if there might be some reservations about the treatments ability to protect them. I've got three in me, and I can still walk. Things are looking up.
October 11, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, barho said: I love the lawyer shaking his head in disgust, just as he sees dollar signs dancing through his head. Guys doctors said it most likely is from the shot?> Really??? where is the doctor? would seem to me he'd want to speak up? He lost all credibility when he called it "the jab.” That just proves he’s an uneducated right wing qAhack lawyer. He’s right there with the ambulance chasers.
October 11, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, barho said: I've got three in me, and I can still walk. Things are looking up. Good to see. How's it holding up against the unvaccinated? Seems to be apprehesion amongst a few in that regard.
October 11, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, vikas83 said: And to answer the army of incoming imbeciles -- if enough workers refuse and businesses get hurt (e.g., Southwest cancelling flights), they will see the impact to profits and have to reassess their decisions. This is how free markets work. When companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy as a result of labor problems brought on by draconian government regulation, that's not the "free" market at work.
October 11, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Pretty well: Unvaxxed 10% of Israelis Are 73% of Serious Cases, 65% of Deaths Trouble with that quote is timing. These numbers are a moving target, especially when it's becoming clear that protection from the vaccine wanes several months after the last dose administered. At this rate, in order to be protected, people will need to be vaccinated every 3 - 4 months. Seems problematic.
October 11, 20214 yr Just now, Procus said: Trouble with that quote is timing. These numbers are a moving target, especially when it's becoming clear that protection from the vaccine wanes several months after the last dose administered. At this rate, in order to be protected, people will need to be vaccinated every 3 - 4 months. Seems problematic. Boosters may be needed at 8+ mos. But it's not problematic for those of us unafraid of a needle.
October 11, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Boosters may be needed at 8+ mos. But it's not problematic for those of us unafraid of a needle. Not sure where you got the 8+ number from, but I have read studies which conclude that protection declines significantly after 2 mos. I don't believe either you or I really know.
October 11, 20214 yr Not to do with on going discussion, but wife was to get her booster shot from local pharmacy. Got there and was told that pharmacy section closed early because no pharmacist was available. Cashier told us this has become a problem as they have to hire out of state pharmacist and there was a scheduling problem. Have no idea how much truth is behind statement. More shortages in medical professions ?
October 11, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, lynched1 said: Good to hear. Thread reads as if there might be some reservations about the treatments ability to protect them. In the article I posted? Care to cite where these reservations are? Serious cases in Israel are at about 7 per 100k at this moment. US doesn't report "serious cases" separately, but hospitalizations are at 19 per 100k (and that's down off the high significantly) Yet all we heard was how Delta was killing Israel, while their hospitalization rates were well below ours throughout the Delta wave. Wonder what the difference was. Maybe Israel was secretly treating their population with ivermectin?
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Not sure where you got the 8+ number from, but I have read studies which conclude that protection declines significantly after 2 mos. I don't believe either you or I really know. Opinions of Twatter randos are not studies. the cdc recommends boosters at 6 months for 65+ And at risk population. So it’s safe to reason that there’s a good amount of protection up to at least 6 months. Yale did a study that showed Moderna was effective at preventing hospitalization for at least 4 months, saying it was 93% effective for at least 4 months and dropped to 77% after that, so there’s a decent level of protection for at least that long, it’s not like it goes from 93% to zero after 4-6 months.
October 12, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Procus said: Not sure where you got the 8+ number from, but I have ready studies which conclude that protection declines significantly after 2 mos. I don't believe either you or I really know. Protection against infection drops off after 4 mos or so, but protection against severe infection and hospitalization is still good for a few more. Still far better numbers than Ivermectin in clean environments. The only places it's shown any efficacy is notoriously dirty environments where parasites may be a complicating factor to Covid infections.
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Trouble with that quote is timing. These numbers are a moving target, especially when it's becoming clear that protection from the vaccine wanes several months after the last dose administered. At this rate, in order to be protected, people will need to be vaccinated every 3 - 4 months. Seems problematic. At this rate, all these tears from you about how oppressed you poor antivaxers are will drive you to pay extra for flood insurance.
October 12, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, vikas83 said: I would say that a testing option isn't legally required, however. I find it hysterical that the people screaming that the government can't force them to get the vaccine (which is accurate) are also screaming that the government has to tell private companies that they can't mandate the vaccine (which is false). Freedom is freedom. You don't get to pick and choose. And to answer the army of incoming imbeciles -- if enough workers refuse and businesses get hurt (e.g., Southwest cancelling flights), they will see the impact to profits and have to reassess their decisions. This is how free markets work. There are already vaccination mandates in order for children to attend public schools. I don't see any meaningful difference between a school and a place of work.
October 12, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: There are already vaccination mandates in order for children to attend public schools. I don't see any meaningful difference between a school and a place of work. I think they've been successfully challenged in many places, which is why you see some localized outbreaks of the measles and other diseases we've not seen for a generation or two. There was a time when vaccinations were not a controversial thing. Now people see it as some kind of attack on "liberty" because they've decided in the absence of a "real" uniting enemy to bind us together, "liberals" or whatever boogeyman are the real enemy.
October 12, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Boosters may be needed at 8+ mos. But it's not problematic for those of us unafraid of a needle. Some are apparently more comfortable with needles than others. Junkies aren't as relatable to everyone.
October 12, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: In the article I posted? Care to cite where these reservations are? Serious cases in Israel are at about 7 per 100k at this moment. US doesn't report "serious cases" separately, but hospitalizations are at 19 per 100k (and that's down off the high significantly) Yet all we heard was how Delta was killing Israel, while their hospitalization rates were well below ours throughout the Delta wave. Wonder what the difference was. Maybe Israel was secretly treating their population with ivermectin? Meant the thread in general. Some of the "treated" seem overly concerned about their "safety".
October 12, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Procus said: When companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy as a result of labor problems brought on by draconian government regulation, that's not the "free" market at work. Shockingly, you missed the part where I stated unequivocally that I was against Biden’s OSHA mandate. A company mandating it, and then losing business, is exactly a free market.
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, PoconoDon said: There are already vaccination mandates in order for children to attend public schools. I don't see any meaningful difference between a school and a place of work. Schools are owned and run by the government. Southwest Airlines is owned by its shareholders and run by private management.
October 12, 20214 yr my covid denying former college classmate went from... among others that were removed... to this... then to this....
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: What a narcissistic egomaniac, can you imagine how fast the country would be destroyed if someone like that was elected as president?
October 12, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: What a narcissistic egomaniac, can you imagine how fast the country would be destroyed if someone like that was elected as president? The difference with Trump is he paid thousands of dollars for paintings of himself then claimed depreciation to cheat on his taxes
October 12, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The difference with Trump is he paid thousands of dollars for paintings of himself then claimed depreciation to cheat on his taxes 😂 The current one has done less?
October 12, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: my covid denying former college classmate went from... among others that were removed... to this... then to this.... To what exactly?
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