October 12, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: I think the biggest crime here is the lack of dissemination of information regarding early treatment. Nip this in the bud early on when symptoms first appear, and you'll cut the death and hospitalization rate dramatically. Most of the people here know what to do if they get infected - in no small part because they've taken a deep interest in this. But you poll the public at large, and there is a LOT of ignorance regarding treatment protocol and options. Too many people get hospitalized and die because they waited too long to get treated early on. Nobody is withholding information. We've known about mAbs for over a year. There's a new oral treatment from Merck under consideration for an EUA. We know how helpful dexamethasone can be to modulate the immune response. All that being said, none of these options are mutually excusive, and the most prudent action one can take immediately to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death is to get vaccinated now. Refusing vaccination and then waiting around for treatment options to save you is incredibly myopic when you could've been vaccinated AND then still employed these treatment options should you experience a breakthrough infection. 3 minutes ago, Procus said: How would you label yourself? Frustrated parent of two unvaccinated kids.
October 12, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Procus said: I think the biggest crime here is the lack of dissemination of information regarding early treatment. Nip this in the bud early on when symptoms first appear, and you'll cut the death and hospitalization rate dramatically. Most of the people here know what to do if they get infected - in no small part because they've taken a deep interest in this. But you poll the public at large, and there is a LOT of ignorance regarding treatment protocol and options. Too many people get hospitalized and die because they waited too long to get treated early on. If you're asking Americans to self diagnose and take care of their own health at the outset of symptoms, especially for a disease that is often asymptomatic in the first couple days, you're going to have a bad time.
October 12, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Funny and true. The people on the other extreme of this don't get mocked and blamed enough though. Yeah, people need to get shots, but forcing medical professionals to get the shot or lose their job in the middle of this crisis is asinine. As is anything else that damages our economy even further when it's already on the edge like what we are seeing with pilots. Our supply chains are stressed, businesses can't find people to fill jobs as it is (like truck drivers to help at the ports), so dumping gas on the fire and saying let's watch this burn is going to screw us all. We spinning quickly towards a recession and nobody on either extreme is using common sense. You can't transition out of a pandemic economy until you end the pandemic. I'm not sure why this point keeps getting overlooked. We tried the carrot, and it didn't work, so now we're trying the stick. But make no mistake, the end-goal is economic recovery. Whether the short-term pain is worth the long-term gain remains to be seen, but letting a quarter of your population continue to be a burden on the economy clearly wasn't working so I'm not sure how else you think we can pull ourselves out of this mess.
October 12, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: I think the biggest crime here is the lack of dissemination of information regarding early treatment. Nip this in the bud early on when symptoms first appear, and you'll cut the death and hospitalization rate dramatically. Most of the people here know what to do if they get infected - in no small part because they've taken a deep interest in this. But you poll the public at large, and there is a LOT of ignorance regarding treatment protocol and options. Too many people get hospitalized and die because they waited too long to get treated early on. What if I were to tell you there's something even more effective at preventing hospitalization, that you can give even before you're exposed?
October 12, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You can't transition out of a pandemic economy until you end the pandemic. I'm not sure why this point keeps getting overlooked. We tried the carrot, and it didn't work, so now we're trying the stick. But make no mistake, the end-goal is economic recovery. Whether the short-term pain is worth the long-term gain remains to be seen, but letting a quarter of your population continue to be a burden on the economy clearly wasn't working so I'm not sure how else you think we can pull ourselves out of this mess. I hear what you are saying, but if the economy goes down, which it will, we aren't going to recover anytime soon. Covid and the variants aren't going away and you can't just flip a switch and say it's over bring the jobs and economy back. We suffer though people getting sick while working on other treatments like the pills vs throwing people out of jobs and heading towards economic peril. We have made it a year and a half we can suffer though another year or so of Covid. There has to be middle ground and common sense. Is it necessary to throw doctors and nurses out of work when we already don't have enough? Are pilots without a vax really infecting their passengers to take this step because I haven't heard anything. We already don't have enough truck drivers to clear the ports and a ton of companies are going to be hurt this holiday season. Things aren't great, but we don't have to add economic hardship on top of things because even if we do we are still going to be suffering through the Covid issue. Keeping food on the table and a roof over people's heads is just as important.
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: I'm here for this. I wonder if those same pilots were there To fight the tyrannical government that gave them the $25billion Covid relief?
October 12, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: I hear what you are saying, but if the economy goes down, which it will, we aren't going to recover anytime soon. Covid and the variants aren't going away and you can't just flip a switch and say it's over bring the jobs and economy back. We suffer though people getting sick while working on other treatments like the pills vs throwing people out of jobs and heading towards economic peril. We have made it a year and a half we can suffer though another year or so of Covid. There has to be middle ground and common sense. Is it necessary to throw doctors and nurses out of work when we already don't have enough? Yes, absolutely, 100% without a doubt. This shouldn't even be a question. These are people charged with the care of others, and any patient that is under their care should not be at risk due to their gross negligence. It's clearly medical malpractice for a unvaxxed doctor or nurse to infect a patient with a potentially deadly disease, why is this even a debate? Have you considered the reason why we don't have enough nurses and doctors in the first place? Could it be because they've been worked to the bone dealing with all these unvaxxed idiots flooding in on a daily basis for the past 19 months? So yea, canning the 1-2% of them that are in a cult is a no-brainer if it means helping to reduce the strain and stress on the rest of the 98-99% that clearly understand the most simplest of choices when it comes to the very field they are required to be knowledgeable about. Quote Are pilots without a vax really infecting their passengers to take this step because I haven't heard anything. We already don't have enough truck drivers to clear the ports and a ton of companies are going to be hurt this holiday season. Things aren't great, but we don't have to add economic hardship on top of things because even if we do we are still going to be suffering through the Covid issue. Keeping food on the table and a roof over people's heads is just as important. No, probably not a risk to passengers, maybe some of the crew but that's still less likely than a healthcare setting as I mentioned above. But even crew and co-pilots should expect their employers to provide a safe and healthy workplace, so this is no different than any employer making sure the air quality of a building is up to par, toilets are functional, cafeterias have passed health inspections, etc.
October 12, 20214 yr 41 minutes ago, Procus said: I think the biggest crime here is the lack of dissemination of information regarding early treatment. Nip this in the bud early on when symptoms first appear, and you'll cut the death and hospitalization rate dramatically. Most of the people here know what to do if they get infected - in no small part because they've taken a deep interest in this. But you poll the public at large, and there is a LOT of ignorance regarding treatment protocol and options. Too many people get hospitalized and die because they waited too long to get treated early on. You’re expecting the science deniers to suddenly rely on the science of medicine to save them? They all think it’s a fake virus, it’s just the flu, 99% survival rate, etc. these people won’t go get any treatment until it’s way too late.
October 12, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, DBW said: You’re expecting the science deniers to suddenly rely on the science of medicine to save them? They all think it’s a fake virus, it’s just the flu, 99% survival rate, etc. these people won’t go get any treatment until it’s way too late. Um, this is true except for it understates the survival rate.
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: Funny and true. The people on the other extreme of this don't get mocked and blamed enough though. Yeah, people need to get shots, but forcing medical professionals to get the shot or lose their job in the middle of this crisis is asinine. As is anything else that damages our economy even further when it's already on the edge like what we are seeing with pilots. Our supply chains are stressed, businesses can't find people to fill jobs as it is (like truck drivers to help at the ports), so dumping gas on the fire and saying let's watch this burn is going to screw us all. We spinning quickly towards a recession and nobody on either extreme is using common sense. less than 1% have actually walked all said and done. and that includes support staff, not nurses.
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: she seems fun. (assuming it's a she given the "mama bear" with an autistic kid sticker.)
October 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: she seems fun. (assuming it's a she given the "mama bear" with an autistic kid sticker.) "Uh, hey mom? Would you mind dropping me off here instead of right at school? Nah it's fine I can walk the rest of the way."
October 12, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Kz! said: Um, this is true except for it understates the survival rate. Right, 99.7
October 12, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, DBW said: I’m more concerned about my 8 year old as was just noted above, but also I’m just tired of the virus dominating our lives. Look at what it’s done to the world. When people can’t get their Flat screens and Xboxes on Black Friday because they’re all on the cargo ships, maybe they’ll wake the F up. I mean, clearly death is not enough of a reason to get vaxxed, so perhaps a lack of Video games will be. I don't see it that way.
October 12, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, lynched1 said: I don't see it that way. Not everyone can make that whistling noise through missing front teeth.
October 12, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Nobody is withholding information. While information isn't being withheld per se, it's not being aggressively disseminated. For people that are interested, they can find out what to do. But many, if not most people out there don't know - and there's a good percentage of those who wait too long until they call their doctor or otherwise seek medical treatment.
October 12, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Not everyone can make that whistling noise through missing front teeth. So thats how you do it.
October 12, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, DBW said: You’re expecting the science deniers to suddenly rely on the science of medicine to save them? They all think it’s a fake virus, it’s just the flu, 99% survival rate, etc. these people won’t go get any treatment until it’s way too late. If somebody is in denial that there is a virus going around, that's on them. But there are a LOT of people out there who are not deniers but are just are not paying attention to the details and don't know.
October 12, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, DEagle7 said: What if I were to tell you there's something even more effective at preventing hospitalization, that you can give even before you're exposed? What if I were to tell you my friend died a couple of weeks ago and was fully vaccinated. There are these things called breakthrough infections. People like you use vaccines as an excuse to justify ignorance on treatment options - and the two are not mutually exclusive. Honestly, it's disgraceful on your part.
October 12, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If you're asking Americans to self diagnose and take care of their own health at the outset of symptoms, especially for a disease that is often asymptomatic in the first couple days, you're going to have a bad time. How bout once you experience symptoms, you get tested, and if you test positive, you run to the nearest place to get treated with Regeneron, or arrange to get treated at home? Good idea?
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