15 minutes ago, Kz! said:

lmfao right, the guy who wanted a "light manslaughter charge" just completely nailed it. My bad!  

<mentally retarded reality bubble> A 100% accurate, unfiltered description of a quote that everyone can read a page back </end mentally retarded reality bubble>

53 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

An analysis of 71 studies on Ivermectin suggest otherwise.

If this is legit, that would be great.   Will be interested to see  a review of this Meta-analysis.  I have a question on it already just from looking at the first study they cite, the Chowdhury study.   They cite this study as a positive.  However, if you actually go into the study and read it (the study looked at recovery times in ivermectin vs. HCQ), the study claims that the difference in recovery time was not statistically significant.  The mean recovery time in the treatment arm was 8.933 days vs 9.33 days in the control arm.

https://ejmo.org/pdf/A Comparative Study on IvermectinDoxycycline and HydroxychloroquineAzithromycin Therapy on COVID19 Patients-16263.pdf

So why is the Meta Analysis you posted claiming conclusions that the study authors themselves aren't concluding?  And how many other studies did they do this to if I was able to find this just by looking at the first one in alphabetical order?

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Children are 1) capable of spreading the disease and 2) capable of overloading the hospital system during cold and flu season due to COVID pneumonia/bronchiolitis.  I can tell you the children's hospitals up here are packed with plenty of kids being roomef in the ED right now. That can have a major effect on other non- COVID emergencies. I had one patient who was neutropenic due to chemotherapy who ignored a fever one night because he didn't want to go to the ED and have a long wait. He passed.  Now I can't say he'd have made a different decision if it weren't for COVID but it does illustrate to importance of not overwhelming the system if we can avoid it. 

It is an interesting topic though.  Over here the basic philosophy in the medical community and system is that one does not provide any treatment/medication to a person in order to benefit someone else.  That's their basic tenet and it is causing some real discussion. So far, the decision has been to not offer kids under 12 the vaccine unless they have some other underlying risk and that's based on the overall cost/benefit analysis for young children (not society as a whole).  This policy is fluid and still subject to change.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

<mentally retarded reality bubble> A 100% accurate, undistorted description of a quote that everyone can read a page back </end mentally retarded reality bubble>

To recap:

Trial: Rittenhouse did not commit any crimes by being at the protest armed. The judge even famously threw out a gun charge about Rittenhouse's rifle not being regulation.

Mayanh8: Hurrderr he should be charged with light manslaughter assuming he broke the law to get himself there.

Everyone: But he didn't, can you articulate what law you think he broke?

Mayanh8: *evacuates thread*

I know, bud, you'll always have "state lines."  

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

To recap:

Trial: Rittenhouse did not commit any crimes by being at the protest armed. The judge even famously threw out a gun charge about Rittenhouse's rifle not being regulation.

Mayanh8: Hurrderr he should be charged with light manslaughter assuming he broke the law to get himself there.

Everyone: But he didn't, can you articulate what law you think he broke?

Mayanh8: *evacuates thread*

I know, bud, you'll always have "state lines."  

Another reality bubble fantasy... You're just inhaling stone cold sh** today. 

Again, when asked to articulate a law that was broken, you couldn't and you evacuated. You can keep going in circles pretending you had some reason for wanting manslaughter charges on the kid, but everyone knows the real reason, Mr. State Lines!   

But this argument is getting old. Let's get back to talking about how awful the vaccine is at preventing covid. 

25 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It is an interesting topic though.  Over here the basic philosophy in the medical community and system is that one does not provide any treatment/medication to a person in order to benefit someone else.  That's their basic tenet and it is causing some real discussion. So far, the decision has been to not offer kids under 12 the vaccine unless they have some other underlying risk and that's based on the overall cost/benefit analysis for young children (not society as a whole).  This policy is fluid and still subject to change.

The biggest argument I would push there is that the potential of spreading it and causing major harm to a caregiver would directly harm the child.  Now that calculus certainly changes a bit with the decreased severity of Omicron, and is subject to individual situations (eg if grandparents are the kids primary caregiver, or if there's an immunocompromised sibling in the house etc etc)

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

The biggest argument I would push there is that the potential of spreading it and causing major harm to a caregiver would directly harm the child.  Now that calculus certainly changes a bit with the decreased severity of Omicron, and is subject to individual situations (eg if grandparents are the kids primary caregiver, or if there's an immunocompromised sibling in the house etc etc)

Right, and that is the type of detail being discussed in the debates people are having here.  Other places in Europe have already been vaccinated 5-12 year olds anyway.  Not here.

btw - If there is a compromised person in the house then that is considered one of the exceptions (I think, need to check that).

8 minutes ago, M.C. said:

Nice meme.  At the moment, Omnicron is relatively mild and predominant from what I'm reading, so that applies across the board.  I have an unvaccinated relative who tested positive a couple of days ago with cold like symptoms and already is recovered.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Right, and that is the type of detail being discussed in the debates people are having here.  Other places in Europe have already been vaccinated 5-12 year olds anyway.  Not here.

btw - If there is a compromised person in the house then that is considered one of the exceptions (I think, need to check that).

Alot of what we saw with this has been a s s backwards from what we've seen in the past.  Never saw a lockdown before where we quarantine the healthy.  Never saw vaccines forced on kids like this with such a risk of serious adverse consequences.  Never saw lack of discussion about treatment like this.  Seems like the Swedes have a leg up on the rest of the world with the way they're dealing with this situation.

22 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Again, when asked to articulate a law that was broken, you couldn't and you evacuated. You can keep going in circles pretending you had some reason for wanting manslaughter charges on the kid, but everyone knows the real reason, Mr. State Lines!   

Or we can go with the non reality bubble version of events and say your lack of reading comprehension inability to differentiate between statements and if clauses lead you to post some stupid sh** for the umpteenth time.

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Alot of what we saw with this has been a s s backwards from what we've seen in the past.  Never saw a lockdown before where we quarantine the healthy.  Never saw vaccines forced on kids like this with such a risk of serious adverse consequences.  Never saw lack of discussion about treatment like this.  Seems like the Swedes have a leg up on the rest of the world with the way they're dealing with this situation.

I think like any other place that Sweden has gotten some things right and others not so much.  The big disaster over here was not protecting the nursing homes in the initial wave.  Half of the COVID deaths here come from that singular failure.

16 minutes ago, Procus said:

Nice meme.  At the moment, Omnicron is relatively mild and predominant from what I'm reading, so that applies across the board.  I have an unvaccinated relative who tested positive a couple of days ago with cold like symptoms and already is recovered.

And I know a man from nantucket...

17 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Or we can go with the non reality bubble version of events and say your lack of reading comprehension inability to differentiate between statements and if clauses lead you to post some stupid sh** for the umpteenth time.

Whatever you say, State Lines. 😂🤣😂

19 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Or we can go with the non reality bubble version of events and say your lack of reading comprehension inability to differentiate between statements and if clauses lead you to post some stupid sh** for the umpteenth time.

You two need to get a room

3 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Yes they are yes they are yes they are because cases have NEVER MATTERED.  EVER.  Not in the first wave and not in the next wave.  Testing is important for tracing and quarantine policy, but ultimately the goal is not preventing cases it is preventing deaths and hospitalizations.  At that, the vaccines are m'ther f'ing GREAT.  

 

I get really, really tired of swatting a kill into your face every time you lob this nonsense.  It's not even funny anymore.  The governement has a responsibility to its citizens to keep them from dying in a pandemic and counting and tracing cases is just a tool for the ultimate goal you f'ing NIMROD.

Really? tell that to the CDC and the administration, cases should not matter but they do to them

13 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

You two need to get a room

I'd consider it, but Mayanh8 would insist I be prosecuted for crossing state lines. Too risky.

Booster shot protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the Omicron variant appears to fade in about 10 weeks, according to new data from Britain.

https://www.webmd.com/?s=09

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Booster shot protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the Omicron variant appears to fade in about 10 weeks, according to new data from Britain.

https://www.webmd.com/?s=09

But is that the third or the fourth booster?

13 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Booster shot protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the Omicron variant appears to fade in about 10 weeks, according to new data from Britain.

https://www.webmd.com/?s=09

10 weeks?  

Better up it to 5 jabs per year maybe even 6 to be safe.

2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

If this is legit, that would be great.   Will be interested to see  a review of this Meta-analysis.  I have a question on it already just from looking at the first study they cite, the Chowdhury study.   They cite this study as a positive.  However, if you actually go into the study and read it (the study looked at recovery times in ivermectin vs. HCQ), the study claims that the difference in recovery time was not statistically significant.  The mean recovery time in the treatment arm was 8.933 days vs 9.33 days in the control arm.

https://ejmo.org/pdf/A Comparative Study on IvermectinDoxycycline and HydroxychloroquineAzithromycin Therapy on COVID19 Patients-16263.pdf

So why is the Meta Analysis you posted claiming conclusions that the study authors themselves aren't concluding?  And how many other studies did they do this to if I was able to find this just by looking at the first one in alphabetical order?

A quote from the study conclusion:

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Researchers have suggested different drug combination therapies for COVID19. According to our study, the Ivermectin-Doxycycline combination therapy has better symptomatic relief, shortened recovery duration, fewer adverse effects, and superior patient compliance compared to the Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin combination.

 

Australia, of course:

 

21 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Booster shot protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the Omicron variant appears to fade in about 10 weeks, according to new data from Britain.

https://www.webmd.com/?s=09

Meanwhile What really matters