January 23, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You didn't. He sees whatever he wants to see and then he'll use that to try to belittle you. Standard for him. Nah, I try not to belittle people nervous about the vaccine. Belittling pseudo-intellectual Swedes who defend insane policy makers opposed to mask mandates is very much my jam though.
January 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Are you? Yeah I will get it when it comes to my turn.
January 23, 20214 yr Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Yeah I will get it when it comes to my turn. Fair enough, I misread your tone then. My apologies. I still stand by my optimism over the vaccine's prospect in ending the pandemic though. Everything we know thus far gives us plenty of reason to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
January 23, 20214 yr @UK_EaglesFan89 Watch this video. Everyone knows Fauci, but Gottlieb has been an excellent source of info too over the last 9 months. He gives it to you straight, and knows his stuff as much as anyone.
January 23, 20214 yr From what I've read there is no reason not to get the vaccine. Everyone should get it. As for the variants, no one knows for sure yet what will happen. The current vaccines do seem to be effective against the variants but there is a strain in South Africa that minimizes the efficacy. Whether that South African strain or any other that pops up causes a significant or long term delay in reaching herd immunity is anybody's guess though the current thinking is that we will get there in 12-18 months in any case. That's what I've read so far. In other words, some cause for minimal worry but we should be just fine with just a tad more patience.
January 23, 20214 yr What I want to know is what have Wuhan done so differently? 12 months on and they appear to be free of it.
January 23, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: What I want to know is what have Wuhan done so differently? 12 months on and they appear to be free of it. They did stuff that wouldn't/shouldn't happen in any civilized country.
January 23, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: What I want to know is what have Wuhan done so differently? 12 months on and they appear to be free of it. Compliance is easy when you don't have to worry about those pesky human rights. It's also easy to have lower numbers when you lie.
January 23, 20214 yr My wife and in laws got their first dose today. I’m very proud and also very happy. Moderna. Already everyone has their 2nd appointment for 28 days. Quite a happy moment. 4 hours ago, lynched1 said: "I have a plan" "There's nothing we can do". 4 days after he gets into office and sees exactly how bad trump f-d things up.... yeah, I’d expect a response like that. He also said it’s gonna get worse before it gets better. The country is like an aircraft carrier, it can’t move in a different direction on a dime.
January 23, 20214 yr https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/21/covid-19-us-deaths-2020-coronavirus-pandemic/4215586001/ 2020 wasn't 'just a random bad year,' health experts say: COVID-19 made it one of the deadliest in US history2020 is on track to become the deadliest year in U.S. history, with more than 3.2 million totaldeaths – about 400,000 more than 2019 – a sharp increase that public health experts attribute to COVID-19 and aligns with reported deaths from the disease.
January 23, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, DrPhilly said: From what I've read there is no reason not to get the vaccine. Everyone should get it. As for the variants, no one knows for sure yet what will happen. The current vaccines do seem to be effective against the variants but there is a strain in South Africa that minimizes the efficacy. Whether that South African strain or any other that pops up causes a significant or long term delay in reaching herd immunity is anybody's guess though the current thinking is that we will get there in 12-18 months in any case. That's what I've read so far. In other words, some cause for minimal worry but we should be just fine with just a tad more patience. I did much worst in the 70’s and I’m still breathing. I’m ready give me that juice.
January 24, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, Smokesdawg said: My wife and in laws got their first dose today. I’m very proud and also very happy. Moderna. Already everyone has their 2nd appointment for 28 days. Quite a happy moment. 4 days after he gets into office and sees exactly how bad trump f-d things up.... yeah, I’d expect a response like that. He also said it’s gonna get worse before it gets better. The country is like an aircraft carrier, it can’t move in a different direction on a dime. "I have a plan" He didn't walk in blind. He lied as those who have before him.
January 24, 20214 yr Quote WHO advisor: COVID-19 pandemic likely started via lab leak Calls wet market origin story a lie One year after the pandemic started, World Health Organization advisor Jamie Metzl wants China to come clean about the origins of the COVID-19 virus. The Kansas City-born, New York-based Metzl, who served as Deputy Staff Director of the Foreign Relations Committee under then Senator Joe Biden (2001-2003) and before that on the National Security Council (1997-99) and the State Department (1999-01) under President Bill Clinton), theorizes it was most likely an accidental lab leak in Wuhan. "There’s no irrefutable evidence,” said Metzl, who was appointed to the WHO’s expert advisory committee on human genome editing in 2019 and is also the author of Hacking Darwin. "There’s just more evidence and as more evidence arrives, the case for accidental lab leak, in my view, increases.” We caught up with Metzl down the line from San Miguel de Allende: What about the original theory that this all started in a wet market in Wuhan? That was a lie. And the Chinese government knew very early on that that was a lie. And so in the face of overwhelming evidence in May of last year, the Chinese government shifted its position. Do you get the idea of scary viruses being created in a lab may seem a little sci-fi? It may feel like sci-fi to people but what’s happening is sci. There is a field of study called "gain of function” research, which is highly controversial in which some scientists amplify the virility of viruses. We know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in gain of function research on bat coronaviruses. Is it because this specifically started in China that we still don’t know how COVID-19 started? If there had been an outbreak in Congo or some country in Africa and that country, in the earliest days of the pandemic, prevented World Health Organization investigators from going onto the scene of the outbreak, for nearly a month, the world would have gone berserk. Will a change of the U.S. administration help find an answer? Biden will be tougher on China than President Trump because President Biden is very smart and strategic and he understands that American power and American strength doesn’t rest on bluster, it rests on principles, it rests on partnerships, and alliances and accountability. And the Trump administration unfortunately gave China a pass by over politicizing the question of the origin of the virus by alienating America’s partners and allies. https://torontosun.com/news/world/who-advisor-covid-19-pandemic-started-via-a-lab-leak For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, 'TEW was right again'.
January 24, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, TEW said: https://torontosun.com/news/world/who-advisor-covid-19-pandemic-started-via-a-lab-leak For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, 'TEW was right again'. We've been over this. Lab leak =/= man made. There's no evidence this was man made.
January 24, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: We've been over this. Lab leak =/= man made. There's no evidence this was man made. Yes, we have been over this. Gain of function = man made.
January 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Yes, we have been over this. Gain of function = man made. Genetic analysis ruled that out. If this guy youre putting all your chips in on were an actual virologist, and disputed the notion from other virologists in the scientific community, that'd be one thing. But he's not. So until then, I'll put my bet on the consensus of scientific experts in the field in question and you can put your bet on Jamie Metzl.
January 24, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Genetic analysis ruled that out. If this guy your putting all your chips in on were an actual virologist, and disputed the notion from other virologists in the scientific community, that'd be one thing. But he's not. So until then, I'll put my bet on the consensus of experts and you can put your bet on Jamie Metzl. Science is fake to these twats. You are wasting your time.
January 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Genetic analysis ruled that out. If this guy your putting all your chips in on were an actual virologist, and disputed the notion from other virologists in the scientific community, that'd be one thing. But he's not. So until then, I'll put my bet on the consensus of scientific experts in the field in question and you can put your bet on Jamie Metzl.
January 24, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: https://torontosun.com/news/world/who-advisor-covid-19-pandemic-started-via-a-lab-leak For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, 'TEW was right again'. Now you believe the WHO? Pick a position, dude.
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