July 14, 20214 yr In other words, vaccinated populations (relative to unvaccinated populations) neither present an increased risk for emergence of more infective variants, nor do they present an increased risk for amplification of variants that have already emerged in unvaccinated populations.
July 14, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: In other words, vaccinated populations (relative to unvaccinated populations) neither present an increased risk for emergence of more infective variants, nor do they present an increased risk for amplification of variants that have already emerged in unvaccinated populations. It seems that you are referring to scale, and I agree that mutations are almost entirely being fueled by a large population of unvaccinated hosts, but when a mutant strain arises that is capable of infecting both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, it seems natural to assume that it will become more adapted to vaccinated hosts. If you didn't have large amounts of vaccinated people, there would essentially be no evolutionary benefit to evading vaccination. But with a substantial population of vaccinated people, the virus is pressured to adapt to this environment and natural selection allows these more infective variants to become dominant. Think of how antibiotics were thought of as an unalloyed good for nearly all of their existence, but now scientists and medical professionals are re-thinking their approach, cautioning that they should only be used when absolutely necessary? Why? Because overuse of antibiotics has forced bacteria to adapt to different host conditions, and you now have a concerning trend of antibiotic-resistant strains becoming increasingly prevalent.
July 14, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It seems that you are referring to scale, and I agree that mutations are almost entirely being fueled by a large population of unvaccinated hosts, but when a mutant strain arises that is capable of infecting both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, it seems natural to assume that it will become more adapted to vaccinated hosts. If you didn't have large amounts of vaccinated people, there would essentially be no evolutionary benefit to evading vaccination. But with a substantial population of vaccinated people, the virus is pressured to adapt to this environment and natural selection allows these more infective variants to become dominant. Think of how antibiotics were thought of as an unalloyed good for nearly all of their existence, but now scientists and medical professionals are re-thinking their approach, cautioning that they should only be used when absolutely necessary? Why? Because overuse of antibiotics has forced bacteria to adapt to different host conditions, and you now have a concerning tried of antibiotic-resistant strains becoming increasingly prevalent. Variant selection =/= amplification. I agree that vaccinated populations will naturally select for variants that evade vaccine-induced immunity. I don't agree that they will continue to amplify them or result in an increased risk of emergence future variants with similar characteristics, in comparison to unvaccinated populations. Also, bacterial drug resistance is quite a bit different than viral vaccine resistance for several reasons. I can say with very high confidence that you will never see the medical community recommend against the over-use of covid vaccines on the basis that they already do for over-use of antibiotics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378080/
July 14, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Maybe some jobs will come back but, grocery retail will continue to struggle. People are sick and tired of being run into the ground and still have to kiss the ass of the customers whole they continue to treat everyone like sheet. It's not worth the stress and the way you are treated in grocery retail anymore. They'll come back. They have a bit of leverage, so the market will increase wages and improve working conditions to the point they are able to staff sufficiently. So when they do it will be in better circumstances. But the market will find equilibrium. We'll just pay more when eating out for it. And I'm ok with that, if that's what the market bears.
July 14, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: They'll come back. They have a bit of leverage, so the market will increase wages and improve working conditions to the point they are able to staff sufficiently. So when they do it will be in better circumstances. But the market will find equilibrium. We'll just pay more when eating out for it. And I'm ok with that, if that's what the market bears. Well the answer to my companies lack of help was to start hiring 14 yr olds. 14 yr olds don't care about wages.
July 15, 20214 yr 24-year-old who needed double lung transplant wishes he'd been vaccinated for COVID-19 David Knowles ·Senior Editor Wed, July 14, 2021, 2:08 PM A 24-year-old Georgia man who contracted COVID-19 and required a double lung transplant, and who remains hospitalized, has expressed his regret he did not get vaccinated for the virus, which has so far killed more than 607,000 Americans. Blake Bargatze had told his parents he was putting off receiving a COVID-19 vaccine because he felt uncertain about its possible side effects, WSB-TV in Atlanta reported. "He wanted to wait a few years to see, you know, if there’s any side effects or anything from it,” said Paul Nuclo, his stepfather. "As soon as he got in the hospital, though, he said he wished he had gotten the vaccine.” Bargatze was the only member of his family who passed on getting vaccinated, Cheryl Nuclo, his mother, told Fox 5 Atlanta. Once hospitalized, however, he asked to be inoculated. "The night before he was intubated, he wanted it,” Nuclo said. "So it was a little bit too late then.” Bargatze, who had no preexisting medical conditions and has endured prolonged intensive care stays at hospitals in three different states over the last three months, believes he contracted COVID-19 during an April visit to Florida. "He had called me that Friday when he got the results,” Bargatze's mother told WSB-TV, "and he’s like, ‘Mom, you’re going to be mad. I got COVID.’” A GoFundMe page set up by Bargatze’s friends is raising money to help cover his medical bills.
July 15, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: tip suggestions seem to be going up now too. 20% seems like the baseline. my default was same as you, almost always tipped 20% unless the service was pretty terrible. (plus it's easy to calculate 20% lol) throughout the pandemic I went higher, even tipping on takeout, because these guys were dying. but I don't want to keep tipping like 30% lol E.T. said "oooouch" Decimal point to the left one spot and multiply by 2. Eventually you'll just see an increase in the cost of eating out due to higher base wages to attract employees. Then they'll give the surprised Pikachu face when their tip percentages decrease because people will know they're not as reliant on tip income to get by.
July 15, 20214 yr I always tip on takeout. 10% is actually considered standard, but most people don't know this. I didn't know until I worked in a restaurant that specifically had a takeout service.
July 15, 20214 yr 24-year-old who needed double lung transplant wishes he'd been vaccinated for COVID-19 https://news.yahoo.com/24-year-old-who-needed-double-lung-transplant-wishes-hed-been-vaccinated-for-covid-19-180810400.html
July 15, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: 24-year-old who needed double lung transplant wishes he'd been vaccinated for COVID-19 David Knowles ·Senior Editor Wed, July 14, 2021, 2:08 PM A 24-year-old Georgia man who contracted COVID-19 and required a double lung transplant, and who remains hospitalized, has expressed his regret he did not get vaccinated for the virus, which has so far killed more than 607,000 Americans. Blake Bargatze had told his parents he was putting off receiving a COVID-19 vaccine because he felt uncertain about its possible side effects, WSB-TV in Atlanta reported. "He wanted to wait a few years to see, you know, if there’s any side effects or anything from it,” said Paul Nuclo, his stepfather. "As soon as he got in the hospital, though, he said he wished he had gotten the vaccine.” Bargatze was the only member of his family who passed on getting vaccinated, Cheryl Nuclo, his mother, told Fox 5 Atlanta. Once hospitalized, however, he asked to be inoculated. "The night before he was intubated, he wanted it,” Nuclo said. "So it was a little bit too late then.” Bargatze, who had no preexisting medical conditions and has endured prolonged intensive care stays at hospitals in three different states over the last three months, believes he contracted COVID-19 during an April visit to Florida. "He had called me that Friday when he got the results,” Bargatze's mother told WSB-TV, "and he’s like, ‘Mom, you’re going to be mad. I got COVID.’” A GoFundMe page set up by Bargatze’s friends is raising money to help cover his medical bills. 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: 24-year-old who needed double lung transplant wishes he'd been vaccinated for COVID-19 https://news.yahoo.com/24-year-old-who-needed-double-lung-transplant-wishes-hed-been-vaccinated-for-covid-19-180810400.html
July 15, 20214 yr Recent study from a delta outbreak in China starts to pull back the curtain on why Delta is so dangerous. It shows patient viral loads orders of magnitude higher, longer and earlier period of being contagious, resulting in an R0 of approx 5 or higher. For reference, the original (or classic) wuhan variant had an R0 of about 3. That's an absolutely massive difference. And yet idiots like Weinstein continue to claim it was already "supremely well adapted" to human transmission when it spilled over. Good call, Bret.
July 15, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: If this was directed at me, I'm not sure why. I've maintained, and continue to maintain that vaccines are extremely effective and delta breakthrough infections are very rare. But for the unvaccinated relying on year old data of how this virus behaves, they're gonna be in for a very rude awakening. Same goes for those not urging their kids to get the shot on the basis that "kids and young people don't even get sick from it".
July 15, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: The Face of a Trumplican who refuses to get Vaccinated gets Covid. Well deserved. LOL.
July 15, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Recent study from a delta outbreak in China starts to pull back the curtain on why Delta is so dangerous. It shows patient viral loads orders of magnitude higher, longer and earlier period of being contagious, resulting in an R0 of approx 5 or higher. For reference, the original (or classic) wuhan variant had an R0 of about 3. That's an absolutely massive difference. I don't care what the CDC says. Gimme more of that sweet, sweet Pfizer juice!
July 15, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I don't care what the CDC says. Gimme more of that sweet, sweet Pfizer juice! I think ultimately boosters will get approved by the FDA by late fall or winter, but likely only recommended for at risk populations or those in areas with lagging vax rates. If a clinic near me offers a combined flu shot with a covid booster all in one, I'll probably do that. But my most pressing concern is getting my kids vaccinated asap.
July 15, 20214 yr Also, @we_gotta_believe, I like the ring of Wuhan Classic™. So much better than New Covid!
July 15, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Also, @we_gotta_believe, I like the ring of Wuhan Classic™. So much better than New Covid! I forget what the official name is. I was calling it OG covid for a while but people were getting confused. These new variant gangstas may pack a punch, but ya still gotta respect the OG.
July 15, 20214 yr Was nice to have a bit of normal for awhile but now mask mandates coming back slowly, LA requiring indoor masks, another out break with the Yankees postponing games. Could once again see empty footballs stadiums. Numbers rising even here in NJ
July 15, 20214 yr The news tonight sounded a little daunting. How do you just make up the numbers of deaths, hospitalizations, and patients having lasting health issues.? How is this fake? You can’t make this ish up! The SG today talking about the misinformation on social media. What’s happening is happening and the 70 million Trump voters, or most of them, are the ones fueling it -cause you know-the libtards and socialism are ruining the world. Jesus F’ng H Christ!!!!!!!!!! They won’t budge! It is so retarted and beyond my comprehension (which admittedly I don’t have much of), but I was gifted with common sense. GET THE MOTHER F’NG SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 16, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Was nice to have a bit of normal for awhile but now mask mandates coming back slowly, LA requiring indoor masks, another out break with the Yankees postponing games. Could once again see empty footballs stadiums. Numbers rising even here in NJ None of them have symptoms. At least the vaccines are working.
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