September 5, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ask your John Hopkins doctor friend about ivermectin. Let us all know what he says Those that are unable to refute data resort to smears of people and drugs. They also try to ridicule the messenger because the facts and data are not on their side. It's a common tactic. You are welcome to try to attack my credibility. What you think is entirely irrelevant and unimportant to me. For non-idiots that have an open mind and are looking for an inexpensive regimen Gd forbid if they contract the virus, the data is there that this works in combination with zithromax if taken in the prescribed doses. If you think its funny or just wrong, don't take it and allow the virus to either run its course or if it progresses, get treated at the hospital. Have a wonderful week.
September 5, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Procus said: You better not take Ivermectin if you get sick. After all, the fake vaccine inventor supports it, and that Covid data from Peru and India is fake. Repeat, do not take Ivermectin if you get sick with Covid. Have a blessed week. I have friends in both Peru and India who would disagree with this take.
September 5, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Procus said: Those that are unable to refute data resort to smears of people and drugs. They also try to ridicule the messenger because the facts and data are not on their side. It's a common tactic. You are welcome to try to attack my credibility. What you think is entirely irrelevant and unimportant to me. For non-idiots that have an open mind and are looking for an inexpensive regimen Gd forbid if they contract the virus, the data is there that this works in combination with zithromax if taken in the prescribed doses. If you think its funny or just wrong, don't take it and allow the virus to either run its course or if it progresses, get treated at the hospital. Have a wonderful week. An anti-parasitic now combined with an antibiotic to beat back a viral infection. And don't forget zinc! Gotta make sure you add zinc in there otherwise it doesn't work, and all the studies that missed this need to be redone!
September 5, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Procus said: Those that are unable to refute data resort to smears of people and drugs. They also try to ridicule the messenger because the facts and data are not on their side. It's a common tactic. You are welcome to try to attack my credibility. What you think is entirely irrelevant and unimportant to me. For non-idiots that have an open mind and are looking for an inexpensive regimen Gd forbid if they contract the virus, the data is there that this works in combination with zithromax if taken in the prescribed doses. If you think its funny or just wrong, don't take it and allow the virus to either run its course or if it progresses, get treated at the hospital. Have a wonderful week. It's a newly published observational study whose findings haven't been peer reviewed. One whose abstract starts with an appeal to authority with its overstatement of Ivermectin being "Nobel prize winning". (The Nobel prize that year was collectively given to various scientists who worked on therapies against parasitic infections. Ivermectin was one of them of course, as it's a very effective treatment against roundworms. Though treatments developed against malaria were the higher profile drugs in this award.) And one whose principal researcher appears to be a Yale faculty member in Gynaecology Obstetrics specializing in Gynecologic Oncology. Which is weird. But he's been a proponent of of Ivermectin going so far as to have treated his family. How about we see whether the study done here can be reviewed and validated before doing a victory lap. As we've seen with other studies where ivermectin showed efficacy initially, those studies proved to be problematic in their methodology.
September 5, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's a newly published observational study whose findings haven't been peer reviewed. One whose abstract starts with an appeal to authority with its overstatement of Ivermectin being "Nobel prize winning". (The Nobel prize that year was collectively given to various scientists who worked on therapies against parasitic infections. Ivermectin was one of them of course, as it's a very effective treatment against roundworms. Though treatments developed against malaria were the higher profile drugs in this award.) And one whose principal researcher appears to be a Yale faculty member in Gynaecology Obstetrics specializing in Gynecologic Oncology. Which is weird. But he's been a proponent of of Ivermectin going so far as to have treated his family. How about we see whether the study done here can be reviewed and validated before doing a victory lap. As we've seen with other studies where ivermectin showed efficacy initially, those studies proved to be problematic in their methodology. Thank you for an intelligent, rational response.
September 5, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I love that they keep referring to it as "Nobel prize honoured". So is Viagra. And with good reason I might add.
September 5, 20214 yr American medical association among others call for end of use of IVM. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958095
September 5, 20214 yr 53 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I love that they keep referring to it as "Nobel prize honoured". So is Viagra. Hitler was nominated for the Nobel peace prize so there is always that.
September 5, 20214 yr More experts tell us ivm isn’t worth the risk https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/ivermectin-covid-humans-side-effects-treatment/10994919/
September 5, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Procus said: Thank you for an intelligent, rational response. The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year.
September 5, 20214 yr That promising study/paper that people keep referencing was pulled because it was a reprint, it was plagiarized, and data was manipulated. It’s bogus. I’m Shocked. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
September 5, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Procus said: Thank you for an intelligent, rational response. It's irresponsible for a medical doctor to be proffering this as sound science without allowing for review was my main point. I'm not going to reflexively reject a study because things have gotten politicized, but that doesn't mean the study is sound. It's not typical for doctors to be rushing out to proselytize for drugs whose efficacy is at best questionable. Ivermectin may do no harm, but I'm not aware of any study that has been found to be sound of methodology that isolated ivermectin as the agent of efficacy. Any that claimed to have been shown to have methodological errors or simply been wrong. Most of this love for ivermectin seems to be motivated by people seeking an alternative to available vaccines for irrational, unscientific reasons. Vaccines whose efficacy is far well known and established, and that have been scrutinized far more that any other vaccine in history from a safety standpoint. Motivated reasoning against safe and effective vaccines shouldn't be fuel for ivermectin. It's dumb regardless.
September 5, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, DBW said: That promising study/paper that people keep referencing was pulled because it was a reprint, it was plagiarized, and data was manipulated. It’s bogus. I’m Shocked. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w Two of them were pulled. There are a bunch of others though. They area all inconclusive at best.
September 5, 20214 yr On 9/3/2021 at 3:51 AM, Procus said: Thank G-d for Governor DeSantis. A decorated military veteran, Harvard Law and US Naval Justice School grad and distinguished Congressional service. That bozo in Harrisburg and the idiot who currently mayor in Philly can't hold a candle to our great governor. Thank you Governor DeSantis for your service. https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/02/florida-issue-5000-fines-entities-asking-proof-covid-vaccination/ Florida to issue $5,000 fines to entities asking for proof of COVID vaccination Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools, and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.(AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee) By WJHG Newsroom Published: Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:52 PM EDT TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WJHG/WECP) - Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools, and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned vaccine passports. The fines will start on Sept. 16 if people are asked to show proof of a vaccine. Violators will have the chance to appeal but, once the fine is finalized, they will have 30 days to pay. Yeah, limiting what a private business can do, what a beacon of conservatism.
September 5, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's irresponsible for a medical doctor to be proffering this as sound science without allowing for review was my main point. I'm not going to reflexively reject a study because things have gotten politicized, but that doesn't mean the study is sound. It's not typical for doctors to be rushing out to proselytize for drugs whose efficacy is at best questionable. Ivermectin may do no harm, but I'm not aware of any study that has been found to be sound of methodology that isolated ivermectin as the agent of efficacy. Any that claimed to have been shown to have methodological errors or simply been wrong. Most of this love for ivermectin seems to be motivated by people seeking an alternative to available vaccines for irrational, unscientific reasons. Vaccines whose efficacy is far well known and established, and that have been scrutinized far more that any other vaccine in history from a safety standpoint. Motivated reasoning against safe and effective vaccines shouldn't be fuel for ivermectin. It's dumb regardless. This started before the vax drive. If you recall while Trump was president he was touting HCQ. There are several doctors who put their patients on an HCQ protocol - Zev Zelenko being the most notable - before vaccines or Regeneron were available. Zelenko still is doing so.
September 5, 20214 yr The FLCCC calls out the government for wanting to give Merck $1.2 BILLION of taxpayer dollars for IVM supplies. thats a lot of wasted taxpayer dollars for a "cheap” drug that isnt proven to work against covid but is proving to poison people. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FLCCC-Merck-Statement.pdf
September 5, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Two of them were pulled. There are a bunch of others though. They area all inconclusive at best. Without those two that were pulled ivermectin would just be a face in the crowd of medicines that have been tried against COVID. I'm generally for aggressive attempts to try treatments that perhaps scientifically are hard to reason as being effective, because pretending we know definitively that an anti-parasitic or anti-biotic would be ineffective is the sort of hubris that can work against science especially when speed is critical. But now with those studies having at one time seemingly differentiated themselves as possible treatment candidates, Ivermectin is getting the too much praise from certain corners possibly at the expense of other more promising treatments, and it almost certainly continues to be another brick in the wall against trust in our institutions. When our institutions have to be out there telling people that horse dewormer containing ivermectin is not appropriate for humans while also arguing that as a whole it's not effective based on known science because individual doctors claiming to be the "inventor of the vaccines" is out there acting as an authority, it's a real issue. That's not to say the CDC and FDA don't have issues. They are manifold. And they need reform. But we also should be rowing in the same direction as a society, and rogue doctors and scientists telling people not to listen to the FDA and CDC are a big part of the problem.
September 5, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Bill said: Yeah, limiting what a private business can do, what a beacon of conservatism. Seriously. I hope his puts a fork in DeSantis's presidential aspirations. Though I find it hard to rely on the Republican voting base especially during primaries. They seem to be committed to the authoritarian nutters.
September 5, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year. Merck said in February they had no reason to even begin studies or clinical trials on its use for covid because of the data they already had. The makers Of the drug already know it won’t work.
September 5, 20214 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: Without those two that were pulled ivermectin would just be a face in the crowd of medicines that have been tried against COVID. Yep, this drug became the "new thing" for all the deniers. No doubt about the negative impact that has had.
September 5, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year. We have to wait until after the election to know if ivermectin really works.
September 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: We have to wait until after the election to know if ivermectin really works. I was told that COVID would magically disappear after the election.
September 5, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Seriously. I hope his puts a fork in DeSantis's presidential aspirations. Though I find it hard to rely on the Republican voting base especially during primaries. They seem to be committed to the authoritarian nutters. The thing was that when he started out as Governor he was actually doing decently. I was worried he’d be Trump light but things were ok. Then COVID happened and it went out the window.
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