September 3, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ya know it doesn't work when even QKz refuses to sing its praises as a vaccine alternative. I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period).
September 3, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: What do you don't matter "now"? When have I ever been focused on infections in lieu of hospitalizations and deaths? Convenient. Well, when we're talking about limiting the spread of a disease, case numbers seem to be pretty important to most people. I guess not you, which is fine. To each their own. But when one of the most vaccinated countries on earth is quickly re-implementing Covid mandates because their vaccine isn't preventing cases from exploding, it's a big deal to most people.
September 3, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Cool. Now show me the hospitalization figures. It's completely disingenuous. #1 it's from July, which predates boosters for the elderly that are showing to be effective. #2, it's a more nuanced form of the base rate fallacy. This article walks through where vaccines are currently effective and where they are less effective, and the statistics around hospitalization better than I could translate: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/31/covid-israel-hospitalization-rates-simpsons-paradox/
September 3, 20215 yr 22 minutes ago, Kz! said: Convenient. Well, when we're talking about limiting the spread of a disease, case numbers seem to be pretty important to most people. I guess not you, which is fine. To each their own. But when one of the most vaccinated countries on earth is quickly re-implementing Covid mandates because their vaccine isn't preventing cases from exploding, it's a big deal to most people. No, it's not convenient, it's facts. If the vaccines are only somewhat effective at preventing infection but are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, why does that matter? Vaccinated people who contract COVID and end up having no symptoms or mild symptoms aren't putting a strain on the healthcare system.
September 3, 20215 yr 31 minutes ago, Kz! said: I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period). I can actually agree with the need to explore options for treatments if someone does get Covid and it turns into a serious case. I know if I was in that spot and started to get really sick I would probably try anything if things got really bad. The problem for me is the idiots pushing these unproven treatments as a replacement for a vaccine and as an excuse why people don't need to get vaxxed.
September 3, 20215 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: No, it's not convenient, it's facts. If the vaccines are only somewhat effective at preventing infection but are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, why does that matter? Vaccinated people who contract COVID and end up having no symptoms or mild symptoms aren't putting a strain on the healthcare system. I'm not asking why lower deaths and hospitalizations matter. They absolutely do, of course. I was explaining why exploding case counts matter.
September 3, 20215 yr The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans.
September 3, 20215 yr 21 minutes ago, Kz! said: The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans. Wow, that's a lot! Must mean it's safe! Oh, wait, over 5 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide.
September 3, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Wow, that's a lot! Must mean it's safe! Oh, wait, over 5 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide. Very cool, Van! Thanks for sharing.
September 3, 20215 yr 44 minutes ago, Kz! said: The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans. Who is saying that the drug cant be used for humans? It is an anti parasitic drug used to fight off ringworm or tapeworms. The issue is people taking Ivermectin designed for use in horses and livestock, which has a much, much higher dosage rate then the one used in humans. Either way it is a stupid to use a anti parasitic drug to treat a virus.
September 3, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period). 30% is close to half? Mmmkay
September 3, 20215 yr 20 minutes ago, pallidrone said: Who is saying that the drug cant be used for humans? It is an anti parasitic drug used to fight off ringworm or tapeworms. The issue is people taking Ivermectin designed for use in horses and livestock, which has a much, much higher dosage rate then the one used in humans. Either way it is a stupid to use a anti parasitic drug to treat a virus. Virtually every news article about the subject and every ishlib on every single social media outlet is now exclusively referring to it as a horse de-wormer. Just check the last 20 pages or so of this thread. It's incredibly stupid and, honestly, it's why no one trusts media outlets anymore. When they'll lie about something so easy to look up just to dunk on a podcast host, you know they've lost credibility.
September 3, 20215 yr It's being referred to as "horse dewormer" because that's the formulation that people can get over the counter and have been self treating with. It's like watching someone eat a tin of Fancy Feast then argue that it's just a meat and veggie medley in gravy. Nah, you ate cat food.
September 3, 20215 yr 19 minutes ago, Kz! said: Virtually every news article about the subject and every ishlib on every single social media outlet is now exclusively referring to it as a horse de-wormer. Just check the last 20 pages or so of this thread. It's incredibly stupid and, honestly, it's why no one trusts media outlets anymore. When they'll lie about something so easy to look up just to dunk on a podcast host, you know they've lost credibility.
September 3, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: It's being referred to as "horse dewormer" because that's the formulation that people can get over the counter and have been self treating with. It's like watching someone eat a tin of Fancy Feast then argue that it's just a meat and veggie medley in gravy. Nah, you ate cat food. It's being referred to as a horse dewormer by the dishonest and the stupid.
September 3, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, pallidrone said: Either way it is a stupid to use a anti parasitic drug to treat a virus. Not if it's a versatile drug that has more than one application. Ivermectin is known to also have anti-viral properties. Remember Minoxidil? Was created to treat high blood pressure. When it was discovered that it also helped regrow hair, it was rebranded as Rogaine.
September 3, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: This mainly appears to affect Moderna, not Pfizer which appears to be on schedule. But even so, I'm starting to lose faith in these agency that don't appear to have any sense of urgency. I understand that science is not some magically fast process, but we have other nations like Israel already well into rolling out boosters. We don't necessarily want to cut corners that shouldn't be cut, but we also don't want perfect to be the enemy of good.
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