September 5, 20215 yr 37 minutes ago, Procus said: Thank you for an intelligent, rational response. The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year.
September 5, 20215 yr That promising study/paper that people keep referencing was pulled because it was a reprint, it was plagiarized, and data was manipulated. It’s bogus. I’m Shocked. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
September 5, 20215 yr 35 minutes ago, Procus said: Thank you for an intelligent, rational response. It's irresponsible for a medical doctor to be proffering this as sound science without allowing for review was my main point. I'm not going to reflexively reject a study because things have gotten politicized, but that doesn't mean the study is sound. It's not typical for doctors to be rushing out to proselytize for drugs whose efficacy is at best questionable. Ivermectin may do no harm, but I'm not aware of any study that has been found to be sound of methodology that isolated ivermectin as the agent of efficacy. Any that claimed to have been shown to have methodological errors or simply been wrong. Most of this love for ivermectin seems to be motivated by people seeking an alternative to available vaccines for irrational, unscientific reasons. Vaccines whose efficacy is far well known and established, and that have been scrutinized far more that any other vaccine in history from a safety standpoint. Motivated reasoning against safe and effective vaccines shouldn't be fuel for ivermectin. It's dumb regardless.
September 5, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, DBW said: That promising study/paper that people keep referencing was pulled because it was a reprint, it was plagiarized, and data was manipulated. It’s bogus. I’m Shocked. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w Two of them were pulled. There are a bunch of others though. They area all inconclusive at best.
September 5, 20215 yr On 9/3/2021 at 3:51 AM, Procus said: Thank G-d for Governor DeSantis. A decorated military veteran, Harvard Law and US Naval Justice School grad and distinguished Congressional service. That bozo in Harrisburg and the idiot who currently mayor in Philly can't hold a candle to our great governor. Thank you Governor DeSantis for your service. https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/02/florida-issue-5000-fines-entities-asking-proof-covid-vaccination/ Florida to issue $5,000 fines to entities asking for proof of COVID vaccination Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools, and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.(AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee) By WJHG Newsroom Published: Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:52 PM EDT TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WJHG/WECP) - Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools, and government agencies that require people to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned vaccine passports. The fines will start on Sept. 16 if people are asked to show proof of a vaccine. Violators will have the chance to appeal but, once the fine is finalized, they will have 30 days to pay. Yeah, limiting what a private business can do, what a beacon of conservatism.
September 5, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's irresponsible for a medical doctor to be proffering this as sound science without allowing for review was my main point. I'm not going to reflexively reject a study because things have gotten politicized, but that doesn't mean the study is sound. It's not typical for doctors to be rushing out to proselytize for drugs whose efficacy is at best questionable. Ivermectin may do no harm, but I'm not aware of any study that has been found to be sound of methodology that isolated ivermectin as the agent of efficacy. Any that claimed to have been shown to have methodological errors or simply been wrong. Most of this love for ivermectin seems to be motivated by people seeking an alternative to available vaccines for irrational, unscientific reasons. Vaccines whose efficacy is far well known and established, and that have been scrutinized far more that any other vaccine in history from a safety standpoint. Motivated reasoning against safe and effective vaccines shouldn't be fuel for ivermectin. It's dumb regardless. This started before the vax drive. If you recall while Trump was president he was touting HCQ. There are several doctors who put their patients on an HCQ protocol - Zev Zelenko being the most notable - before vaccines or Regeneron were available. Zelenko still is doing so.
September 5, 20215 yr The FLCCC calls out the government for wanting to give Merck $1.2 BILLION of taxpayer dollars for IVM supplies. thats a lot of wasted taxpayer dollars for a "cheap” drug that isnt proven to work against covid but is proving to poison people. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FLCCC-Merck-Statement.pdf
September 5, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Two of them were pulled. There are a bunch of others though. They area all inconclusive at best. Without those two that were pulled ivermectin would just be a face in the crowd of medicines that have been tried against COVID. I'm generally for aggressive attempts to try treatments that perhaps scientifically are hard to reason as being effective, because pretending we know definitively that an anti-parasitic or anti-biotic would be ineffective is the sort of hubris that can work against science especially when speed is critical. But now with those studies having at one time seemingly differentiated themselves as possible treatment candidates, Ivermectin is getting the too much praise from certain corners possibly at the expense of other more promising treatments, and it almost certainly continues to be another brick in the wall against trust in our institutions. When our institutions have to be out there telling people that horse dewormer containing ivermectin is not appropriate for humans while also arguing that as a whole it's not effective based on known science because individual doctors claiming to be the "inventor of the vaccines" is out there acting as an authority, it's a real issue. That's not to say the CDC and FDA don't have issues. They are manifold. And they need reform. But we also should be rowing in the same direction as a society, and rogue doctors and scientists telling people not to listen to the FDA and CDC are a big part of the problem.
September 5, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, Bill said: Yeah, limiting what a private business can do, what a beacon of conservatism. Seriously. I hope his puts a fork in DeSantis's presidential aspirations. Though I find it hard to rely on the Republican voting base especially during primaries. They seem to be committed to the authoritarian nutters.
September 5, 20215 yr 21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year. Merck said in February they had no reason to even begin studies or clinical trials on its use for covid because of the data they already had. The makers Of the drug already know it won’t work.
September 5, 20215 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: Without those two that were pulled ivermectin would just be a face in the crowd of medicines that have been tried against COVID. Yep, this drug became the "new thing" for all the deniers. No doubt about the negative impact that has had.
September 5, 20215 yr 33 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The chances are very slim that the drug will prove to be anything of significance vs. COVID but there are a number of more exhaustive studies ongoing that should give you the final definitive answer later this year. We have to wait until after the election to know if ivermectin really works.
September 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: We have to wait until after the election to know if ivermectin really works. I was told that COVID would magically disappear after the election.
September 5, 20215 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Seriously. I hope his puts a fork in DeSantis's presidential aspirations. Though I find it hard to rely on the Republican voting base especially during primaries. They seem to be committed to the authoritarian nutters. The thing was that when he started out as Governor he was actually doing decently. I was worried he’d be Trump light but things were ok. Then COVID happened and it went out the window.
September 5, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Bill said: The thing was that when he started out as Governor he was actually doing decently. I was worried he’d be Trump light but things were ok. Then COVID happened and it went out the window. It's easy to be an executive when things are going well. How leaders respond to crises is what defines them. Same is true for Trump, DeSantis, and Biden. My concern with the Republican base is that they actually believe both Trump and DeSantis are responding in the right way as it relates to COVID. The left on the other hand has been very critical of Biden's handling of Afghanistan. While some here scoff at it, my personal politics lean right. I'd be much more comfortable with a smaller government, and I'd like to see real reform in these institutions that have shown not to be up to the task in the 21st century - and that will require some serious rethinking of our regulatory practices. It's clear that regulatory capture is a bigger problem than we even thought, and if we do not reform these institutions I firmly believe it will be a contributing factor to our downfall. But even though that's where my preferences lie, I cannot in good conscious support the same candidates that so many on the right seem to want. It's very sad, but hard to deny that the left does a better job at holding their leadership accountable, where those on the right see this as a team sport and find it very difficult to criticize their own.
September 5, 20215 yr 49 minutes ago, DBW said: FDA says if you don’t say MOO or Neigh, don’t take IVM, idiot! Yeah like I'm going to take advice from a tweet that uses the word "y'all" pffft
September 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Yeah like I'm going to take advice from a tweet that uses the word "y'all" pffft My friend in the FDA tells me "Y'all" is a common term that they refer to often around the office.
September 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Boogyman said: My friend in the FDA tells me "Y'all" is a common term that they refer to often around the office. I know.a guy that died from using the word y'all. It was my sister's mother on my dad's side. I have no clue what kind of dynamic I've created here lol
September 5, 20215 yr 22 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: "Y'all" crazy for replying to these idiots Listen here grim reaper just do some trolling it makes it more fun lol. You will lose your mind arguing with them.otherwise lol
September 5, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Yeah like I'm going to take advice from a tweet that uses the word "y'all" pffft Talking so the audience can understand.
September 5, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Listen here grim reaper just do some trolling it makes it more fun lol. You will lose your mind arguing with them.otherwise lol I need to change my pic to reflect my new positive outlook
September 5, 20215 yr 26 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I need to change my pic to reflect my new positive outlook You sure you want to take that step? There’s a Zuel variant emerging, turns your insides into staypuff marshmallows. Can’t be too positive!
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