October 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: This will not end with Southwest Airlines - it will spread to other airlines. Can only imagine the final costs and ramifications of all of this - but hey - that'll show those airline employees who don't want to be told that have to get vaxxed!!! https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/business/southwest-cancellations/index.html Southwest canceled more than 2,000 weekend flights and the disruption continues By Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business Updated 11:37 AM ET, Mon October 11, 2021 Little children and other mentally challenged types will often resist taking their medicine.
October 11, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: This will not end with Southwest Airlines - it will spread to other airlines. Can only imagine the final costs and ramifications of all of this - but hey - that'll show those airline employees who don't want to be told that have to get vaxxed!!! https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/business/southwest-cancellations/index.html Southwest canceled more than 2,000 weekend flights and the disruption continues By Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business Updated 11:37 AM ET, Mon October 11, 2021 Beautiful. More of this, please.
October 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: You've never had bodily autonomy with your employer. You most likely have had a dress code, can't show up drunk, had to pass a drug test to be hired, etc. Explain to me how this is different... You're asking how a dress code is different than a mandate to inject a foreign substance into your body? That's quite the question.
October 11, 20214 yr Just now, Kz! said: You're asking how a dress code is different than a mandate to inject a foreign substance into your body? That's quite the question. No, dumb ass, the "mandate" is to provide proof of vaccination OR provide negative test results.
October 11, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: I'd argue it's about bodily autonomy. Either we have it or we don't. I'm vaccinated but I find these mandates and firing of people to be abhorrent. The mandate through OSHA is wrong and way over the line IMO. The government shouldn't be forcing this on private companies. They can do this for government employees and make vaccine mandates a requirement for companies to win new government contracts. If a company wants to mandate vaccinations, however, there is nothing wrong with that. You don't have a Constitutional right to work at Southwest Airlines. Let the private sector handle it.
October 11, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: No, dumb ass, the "mandate" is to provide proof of vaccination OR provide negative test results. Not here. Most jobs are vax or you're fired. No negative testing. My apologies for conflating American/Canadian mandates, but Canada has gone off the deep end.
October 11, 20214 yr Just now, Dawkins 20 said: Not here. Most jobs are vax or you're fired. No negative testing. My apologies for conflating American/Canadian mandates, but Canada has gone off the deep end. Fair enough. I think any sort of mandate should allow for frequent negative testing if the employee chooses to refuse vaccination like for medical or religious exemptions.
October 11, 20214 yr Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ Quote Attorney: COVID vaccines given to family, including small kids, instead of flu shots EVANSVILLE, Ind. (WFIE/Gray News) - Members of an Indiana family who went to get flu shots, including two children, were accidentally given adult doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine, their attorney said. They said it happened Monday at a Walgreens pharmacy, WFIE reported. The family of four includes two adults and children who are 4 and 5 years old. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is only approved for people ages 12 and older. The companies are seeking approval for use in children ages 5 to 11 with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Pfizer and BioNTech proposed a dose one-third the size adults receive for ages 5 to 11. They have not yet sought permission for approval for children 4 and younger. The family’s attorney, Daniel Tuley, shared what he says are the vaccination cards given to the family by Walgreens. They show children born in 2016 and 2017 were given a vaccine shot. The family said they left the pharmacy thinking they had received their flu shots, but a Walgreens employee later called them and said they had made a mistake. The attorney said the cards were then issued since the coronavirus vaccine had been given. Tuley said the children have been taken to a pediatric cardiologist, and the family was told both are showing signs of heart issues. The family said the younger child has been sick with a fever and a cough. On Monday, Walgreen’s sent the following statement: "Due to privacy laws, we cannot comment on specific patient events. However, in general, such instances are rare and Walgreens takes these matters very seriously. In the event of any error, our first concern is always our patients’ well-being. Our multi-step vaccination procedure includes several safety checks to minimize the chance of human error, and we have reviewed this process with our pharmacy staff in order to prevent such occurrences.” Last year, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services used emergency powers due to the pandemic. The directive allows pharmacists in all 50 states to give vaccines, like flu shots, to children 3 and older. TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
October 11, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. This is why Pfizer is having to ship new vials. Need to reduce the margin of error on the 10ug dosing.
October 11, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Hope the kids are OK - that family 'bout to get PAAAAIIIIIDDDDDD
October 11, 20214 yr Very sad story out of Denver: Just goes to show you that, while the vast majority won't suffer from extreme side effects from the vaccine, there are risks involved.
October 11, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Fair enough. I think any sort of mandate should allow for frequent negative testing if the employee chooses to refuse vaccination like for medical or religious exemptions. I would say that a testing option isn't legally required, however. I find it hysterical that the people screaming that the government can't force them to get the vaccine (which is accurate) are also screaming that the government has to tell private companies that they can't mandate the vaccine (which is false). Freedom is freedom. You don't get to pick and choose. And to answer the army of incoming imbeciles -- if enough workers refuse and businesses get hurt (e.g., Southwest cancelling flights), they will see the impact to profits and have to reassess their decisions. This is how free markets work.
October 11, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Hope the kids are OK - that family 'bout to get PAAAAIIIIIDDDDDD Rightfully so. That's just gross negligence on Walgreen's part.
October 11, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I would say that a testing option isn't legally required, however. I find it hysterical that the people screaming that the government can't force them to get the vaccine (which is accurate) are also screaming that the government has to tell private companies that they can't mandate the vaccine (which is false). Freedom is freedom. You don't get to pick and choose. And to answer the army of incoming imbeciles -- if enough workers refuse and businesses get hurt (e.g., Southwest cancelling flights), they will see the impact to profits and have to reassess their decisions. This is how free markets work. it's all about leverage.
October 11, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: I would say that a testing option isn't legally required, however. I find it hysterical that the people screaming that the government can't force them to get the vaccine (which is accurate) are also screaming that the government has to tell private companies that they can't mandate the vaccine (which is false). Freedom is freedom. You don't get to pick and choose. And to answer the army of incoming imbeciles -- if enough workers refuse and businesses get hurt (e.g., Southwest cancelling flights), they will see the impact to profits and have to reassess their decisions. This is how free markets work. Agreed. I was speaking more philosophically for what an employer should do to reasonably provide a safe and healthy workplace. But from a legal perspective, I generally view any mandate like this as more of a necessary evil, similar to anti-discrimination laws. I really wish we lived in a society that didn't have to coerce these idiots and abhorrent people with the threat of legal punishment. I wish people could just do the decent, moral thing out of their own free will. But unfortunately, when a misconception of "freedom" infringes on the rights of others, we sometimes have to resort to such extreme measures.
October 11, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah, it's all about "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" not actual science. That's it. That is the whole basis for this movement against COVID vaccines. This perception that if you take the vaccine, you're "giving in" to what someone else wants to do. There's no rational basis. It's purely emotion-driven nonsense that most people grow out of. I wouldn't accept it from my teenager. I sure as hell am not buying it from somebody on the internet who claims he has lots of buddies prescribing Ivermectin to congress. That's the general issue but in the US it gets compounded with the entire "hate the Libs" crap which is why there is so much more of it in the US than in other places.
October 11, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Not here. Most jobs are vax or you're fired. No negative testing. My apologies for conflating American/Canadian mandates, but Canada has gone off the deep end. Sydney has finally reopened as of today after four straight months of full on lockdown. Progress...
October 11, 20214 yr Move over virgin mRNA vaccines. India is about to release a Chad DNA vaccine: Quote India will soon roll out a DNA vaccine for the coronavirus. It’s the latest example of how COVID-19 is transforming vaccines. https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-10-11/india-will-soon-roll-out-dna-vaccine-coronavirus-it-s-latest-example-how-covid-19
October 11, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: Move over virgin mRNA vaccines. India is about to release a Chad DNA vaccine: https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-10-11/india-will-soon-roll-out-dna-vaccine-coronavirus-it-s-latest-example-how-covid-19 You've definitely been vaccinated. Such a weirdo.
October 11, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You've definitely been vaccinated. Such a weirdo. He was probably vaccinated the day after he bought the Hanson tickets. Did not want to miss that once in a lifetime experience.
October 11, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He never said that; the quote is bogus. Phrases like "un-American" were not uttered by founding fathers, not appearing in print until after Rush's death. "Undercover" was not used at all until the mid-1800s, and didn't come to be defined in the modern sense until the mid-1900s. But it’s in italics and on a black background, and it was on twatter so it had to be true 😂 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah, it's all about "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" not actual science. That's it. That is the whole basis for this movement against COVID vaccines. This perception that if you take the vaccine, you're "giving in" to what someone else wants to do. There's no rational basis. It's purely emotion-driven nonsense that most people grow out of. I wouldn't accept it from my teenager. I sure as hell am not buying it from somebody on the internet who claims he has lots of buddies prescribing Ivermectin to congress. Funny that my kids, like many young kids, were asking when they can get vaccinated because they want to help beat this. They know it’s the right thing to do to "love thy neighbor.” They aren’t being forced or indoctrinated as some would say, they just see it as a no brainer. Yet grown adults feel the need to fight over it and act like someone is coming to take their toys and send them to bed without dessert. Grow the F up, people.
October 11, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Kz! said: Very sad story out of Denver: Just goes to show you that, while the vast majority won't suffer from extreme side effects from the vaccine, there are risks involved. I love the lawyer shaking his head in disgust, just as he sees dollar signs dancing through his head. Guys doctors said it most likely is from the shot?> Really??? where is the doctor? would seem to me he'd want to speak up?
October 11, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, lynched1 said: How's those shots holding up? Pretty well: Unvaxxed 10% of Israelis Are 73% of Serious Cases, 65% of Deaths
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