24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again... never said ANY of the positions were easy.  I simply stated what the talk has been about Jurgens.  And that we have had 3 guys recently under Stoutland who were brought in as C and moved to G.   

So IF ...IF ....IF ..  again IF ( zero expectations)  if Jurgens is the guy they select to start at G...and we move Seamulo.     That would get us more cap space.... but I'm guessing some fans would still be annoyed because it creates a higher dead money #.

Who?

Creating higher Dead Money….but creating more cap room. This is an acceptable way to do that. Kind of means the Seumalo contract wasn’t very wise….think his durability the last two seasons has already sunk that ship. But the biggest question is do we move on from Seumalo to free up money? Or do we keep the most talented guys to give Hurts and the O the best shot? 
    Love absolute stud G players. But easily the position that everybody crisstrains to play. C cross playing G. T cross playing G. Not saying it makes any of them Pro Bowl at the position. But hands down the position that almost any Oline should be serviceable at. 
   Us drafting Jurgens makes me believe they’d really like to have him on the field learning from The Master at C. Being a backup at C is clearly beneficial learning from Kelce. I’d have to believe playing next to him all season would be even more so.

Driscoll I actually think is our best G. But I value his all around flexibility to hopefully seamlessly step in as first backup in. His durability issues and current health are main reasons I like not pushing him in to a starting role.

  I’ve also been a believer all along that Opeta is a very capable G. Probably his only fan. But I’ve noticed growth from him. He’s just been held back by lack of playing time. Easily see his learning curve skyrocket if he starts at RG. I believe he has a higher ceiling than Seumalo.,..which I feel he’s already capped out at….which is starter level play at his best.

So I think Jurgens gets the job at RG if Kelce doesn’t have anything hamper him by week one. Seumalo you keep and go with if you want the absolute best for Hurts to show what he can do. I personally favor probably going with option C at RG and Opeta. I like him. Not Pro Bowl potential but solid strong and been under Stout long enough to be ready this season. 

Who’s making the RG decision? Rosie? Lurie? Siri? Steichen? Stout? Or can these guys actually collaborate well?

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh yeah. But he has excellent feet pulling and such. All those intangibles that many here seem to not understand how beneficial they can be. Kelce is the poster boy for us of intangibles. Unbelievable example of a professional. Drafted late. Not big enough. No special skills that any thought would translate to the NFL level. All he’s done is turn that into a HOF career. Love rooting for underdogs like him. He’s been the picture of the Eagles Way practically from day one. Goes to show the Underwear Olympic Kings possessing all the measurables doesn’t equal NFL stud. Something for all to ponder. Nobody probably represents that better than him!

Lol... so athletic ability is an intangible now too?    

Shaquille O'Neil had that intangible with his size....lol

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who’s making the RG decision? Rosie? Lurie? Siri? Steichen? Stout? Or can these guys actually collaborate well?

I would wager Stout at 51% of the decision.   Howie only jumps in if they can move Seamulo to get cap space and/ draft picks.   Otherwise Howie wouldn't have any reason to care.   

Idk who this Opeta guy is, has he actually played for us or another one of these Emmanuel Acho August AllStars you guys like?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Again... never said ANY of the positions were easy.  I simply stated what the talk has been about Jurgens.  And that we have had 3 guys recently under Stoutland who were brought in as C and moved to G.   

So IF ...IF ....IF ..  again IF ( zero expectations)  if Jurgens is the guy they select to start at G...and we move Seamulo.     That would get us more cap space.... but I'm guessing some fans would still be annoyed because it creates a higher dead money #.

Who?

Jags/Raiders starts in 45 minutes(8 PM)

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... so athletic ability is an intangible now too?    

Shaquille O'Neil had that intangible with his size....lol

Kelce’s  measurables we’re day three draft worthy. His intangibles made him HOF.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I would wager Stout at 51% of the decision.   Howie only jumps in if they can move Seamulo to get cap space and/ draft picks.   Otherwise Howie wouldn't have any reason to care.   

Idk who this Opeta guy is, has he actually played for us or another one of these Emmanuel Acho August AllStars you guys like?

He’s played a few times. Started in the playoff game.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce’s  measurables we’re day three draft worthy. His intangibles made him HOF.

Really we really going to sit here and act like Kelce didn’t measure well in pretty much every category besides his weight.

Thats what made Kelce fall to the 6th round being like a 280-290 pound OL. 
 

Sure the fact he is a smart guy helped him but we going to act like the system he played under in Philly didn’t factor in???? Have 3 great OL coaches???? The fact he could move like very few others could how many times have we seen Kelce downfield at the 2nd level playing C. 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce’s  measurables we’re day three draft worthy. His intangibles made him HOF.

He’s played a few times. Started in the playoff game.

Kelce runs like a FB or TE.... his ability to get out in space and block is rare.   His footwork isn't an intangible.    The ability to call the blocking scheme ( while obviously a mental part of the game)  is still a fundamental " tangible" part of the position.   Much like seeing the field/ reading a defense for a QB. 

I agree he has intangibles... but you can't play the position like he does without his very tangible skills.   

50 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really we really going to sit here and act like Kelce didn’t measure well in pretty much every category besides his weight.

Thats what made Kelce fall to the 6th round being like a 280-290 pound OL. 
 

Sure the fact he is a smart guy helped him but we going to act like the system he played under in Philly didn’t factor in???? Have 3 great OL coaches???? The fact he could move like very few others could how many times have we seen Kelce downfield at the 2nd level playing C. 

I remember getting laughed out by one of the dudes on here " Brian" I think his name was " idk, like Ham he had a nickname for everyone"  ...I said Kelce was a Jeff Saturday type, intelligent and mobile, but a little undersized.  I preferred that over the Jamal guy who was the C before him.    Idk, I think game smarts is a tangible thing. The instinct to make a quick decision is very tangible.  People accusing Hurts of not working hard enough to recognize defenses... I said it's a skill to be able to process that info and see the field in a couple seconds as 300lb guys come after you.  Anyone can sit and watch film without any pressure and do it over time... but at game speed is a skill not everyone masters.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 Have 3 great OL coaches???? The fact he could move like very few others could how many times have we seen Kelce downfield at the 2nd level playing C. 

Did he have 3?  Thought it's been Stout since 2013.   Mudd was there, did Castillo coach Kelce too?  

18 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I agree... yet the talk is there due to Jurgens being the only one to hold off Davis in the one on one reps. The idea being he is strong enough vs the bull rush.  

  Joe, I am not disagreeing with you. I just feel he will probably start the season as a back up. He may well end up being the best RG they have. So Dickerson on one side and him on the other. A luxury for sure....

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I remember getting laughed out by one of the dudes on here " Brian" I think his name was " idk, like Ham he had a nickname for everyone"  ...I said Kelce was a Jeff Saturday type, intelligent and mobile, but a little undersized.  I preferred that over the Jamal guy who was the C before him.    Idk, I think game smarts is a tangible thing. The instinct to make a quick decision is very tangible.  People accusing Hurts of not working hard enough to recognize defenses... I said it's a skill to be able to process that info and see the field in a couple seconds as 300lb guys come after you.  Anyone can sit and watch film without any pressure and do it over time... but at game speed is a skill not everyone masters.

  One Reason I am not placing Hurts out of here next year. We all look at film and say "That Dude was wide open!" yet we do not know where the play was designed to go. Did Hurts even look his way? We have all day to review film and the QB has 3 seconds. Not really fair to say he blew that play after the fact not knowing what was called. I am not saying Hurts did not screw up. I am just saying let's wait until the end of this year and see how he does. Who knows? Maybe he will turn allot of heads! Maybe he doesn't and Strong steps up and shows he can be the guy. Either of those two options are preferable to spending 2-3 picks to move up to take a chance on the Next Elite QB.

   I am one who hopes Ham is right and Hurts proves himself this year. Not that I think he will. But there is hope he turns the corner....

Grandson had his second full contact practice yesterday and got matched up against an All American Candidate DE.

Quickly learned the difference between HS and D-1 football.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Grandson had his second full contact practice yesterday and got matched up against an All American Candidate DE.

Quickly learned the difference between HS and D-1 football.

Nothing is more exciting than seeing any relative excel in a sport, whether in College or Pro. My Grandson is 13 and throws the Baseball mid 70's with accuracy. He has command of 5 pitches including the Knuckleball. I have no clue if he will continue to improve or not. I hear that based on data, his speed should reach the Mid 90's by the age of 18-19.... Will that be good enough? Well he remain healthy? All questions I am excited to find out. But I understand why you are excited ASG. I see you are a proud Grandpa. That is how it should be my friend...

1 minute ago, stine said:

Nothing is more exciting than seeing any relative excel in a sport, whether in College or Pro. My Grandson is 13 and throws the Baseball mid 70's with accuracy. He has command of 5 pitches including the Knuckleball. I have no clue if he will continue to improve or not. I hear that based on data, his speed should reach the Mid 90's by the age of 18-19.... Will that be good enough? Well he remain healthy? All questions I am excited to find out. But I understand why you are excited ASG. I see you are a proud Grandpa. That is how it should be my friend...

I think the thing that made us proudest was when he told my don "Man, i got a lot of work ahead of me"

I just read that Stafford has severe tendonitis in his throwing arm and can't practice.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Did he have 3?  Thought it's been Stout since 2013.   Mudd was there, did Castillo coach Kelce too?  

I think Castillo was his coach for a season or two I could be wrong and if I am two great OL coaches 

You are correct Castillo became DC in 2011 so Kelce had Mudd and Stout… still that’s two really damn good OL coaches.

The OL coach that coached Jeff Saturday guy you compared Kelce to to start his career. And now Stout who you could probably make a case for being the best OL coach in the nfl right now 

1 hour ago, stine said:

  One Reason I am not placing Hurts out of here next year. We all look at film and say "That Dude was wide open!" yet we do not know where the play was designed to go. Did Hurts even look his way? We have all day to review film and the QB has 3 seconds. Not really fair to say he blew that play after the fact not knowing what was called. I am not saying Hurts did not screw up. I am just saying let's wait until the end of this year and see how he does. Who knows? Maybe he will turn allot of heads! Maybe he doesn't and Strong steps up and shows he can be the guy. Either of those two options are preferable to spending 2-3 picks to move up to take a chance on the Next Elite QB.

   I am one who hopes Ham is right and Hurts proves himself this year. Not that I think he will. But there is hope he turns the corner....

Right.. I believe it's a skill to be able to make quick decisions.  Experience and film work help a ton, but ultimately it comes down to how each individual either has it or not.    With Hurts, we are still at that basic level.  He is going to have to show he can find the WR and make the throw when it's not the primary.    His instinct to run is there and he is a good runner.  That's his foundation, the reason he is a pro athlete.  The QB skills, the fundamental parts of being a passer, he needs to develop them.  If he does, and can learn to make throws going to his left.  He will be tough to stop. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  One Reason I am not placing Hurts out of here next year. We all look at film and say "That Dude was wide open!" yet we do not know where the play was designed to go. Did Hurts even look his way? We have all day to review film and the QB has 3 seconds. Not really fair to say he blew that play after the fact not knowing what was called. I am not saying Hurts did not screw up. I am just saying let's wait until the end of this year and see how he does. Who knows? Maybe he will turn allot of heads! Maybe he doesn't and Strong steps up and shows he can be the guy. Either of those two options are preferable to spending 2-3 picks to move up to take a chance on the Next Elite QB.

   I am one who hopes Ham is right and Hurts proves himself this year. Not that I think he will. But there is hope he turns the corner....

We all hope Ham is right and he takes that needed step up. Arm strength will always be suspect. You can add muscle and add a yard or 3 but you have what you have,so you need to work on other things to offset it. Accuracy is a HUGE one. Brady has a better arm than Hurts,but Brady can process defenses,make 4 reads in 3 seconds and get the ball away. Those are the skills Hurts will need if he wants a long term deal.  A play designed for someone(nearly every pass play) doesn't mean you can't go through your reads. If the initial read is not there Hurts needs to hit someone else. If the coach is any good, he will understand that play needs tweaked and/or scrapped in lieu of a play where your initial read IS open. So Siri has some growing to do as well as Hurts. We have Strong, Shew for this year(I hope we pull a Foles and give him a chance to start somewhere else getting nice capital returns for him) and Hurts. I feel all 3 are capable of ;leading this team. At least we aren't stuck with the likes of Sudfelds and Daniels' anymore,so IMO Howie improved that room which is his job

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Grandson had his second full contact practice yesterday and got matched up against an All American Candidate DE.

Quickly learned the difference between HS and D-1 football.

A good ass kicking pays dividends later. He learned something and that will make him better

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I just read that Stafford has severe tendonitis in his throwing arm and can't practice.

UGH

ASG,I remember being a TE in HS. I probably could have been one in college(although maybe mediocre lol), but my heart was elsewhere. Game 3 one year(HS) I got my butt handed to me by a LB who covered me virtually every play. I was so miffed, but it made me work harder. We ended up facing them in the city champ game. We still lost,but I scored on him TWICE. So adversity is a good thing. GL to him. You have reason to be proud