15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Apples and oranges.  This isn't about most vaccines, but about the very newest vaccine, that has not undergone the same level of scrutiny as the "tried and true" ones, such as MMR, Polio, etc.  I got mine, but there is risk because of remaining unknowns.   

 

And people have the right to refuse ANY vaccine, for ANY reason.   They can be criticized for doing so, but they cannot be forced into a vaccination.  But, just because someone else isn't vaccinated shouldn't stop those who are from carrying on under normal conditions.  There are risks to everything.  Risk is a part of life.  Adults have to decide what risks they are willing to take.  

Risk in everything.

Choices have consequences.

 

 

Moving on now.

Sure people can do whatever they want, vaccinate or not. I'm glad my province is starting to roll out benefits to those who are vaccinated. You don't want to get a vaccine? That's cool, you can't attend concerts, sporting events, etc. And frankly, I don't want unvaccinated people coming into the country either. 

SARS hit us hard in 2004, people have been working on a vaccine for awhile. It's really quite amazing what the human race can do when we put all our BS aside and focus on a single task. It got us into outer space, our deep sea exploration is similarly amazing as just two examples. So it's not surprising this vaccine came out so quickly. 

But, all thanks to one fake doctor in the late 90s and then Jenny McCarthy of all people taking up the cause, we have legions of people who are vehemently anti-vaccinations, when again, they are one of the most basic scientifically safe things out there, with insanely positive results. 

NFL players who don't wanna get vaxxed and refuse to play? See ya later. I'll trust actual science and doctors over Jonathan Feliciano (of the Buffalo Bills) with his Human Resources degree from Miami U. They might know more. 

7 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Don't think anyone shared this. Adds some interesting perspective to the DE spot.

Sweats knee whether it fine or not doesn't really effect the DE depth much seeing as his knee has beena question for  the past few years.

As for saying the eagles DT depth isn't good because Malik Jackson who was a pro bowler 4 seasons ago is a joke 

Malik Jackson when he was healthy was over paid trash.

Ridgeway when healthy played better and I'm excited to see what the rookies do especially Milton

39 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

It's up to the individual to want to be vaccinated and any individual has the right to not want to get the vaccination.  As a healthy sports person, there is a compelling case to look at where the deaths and bad reactions to COVID were, and decide, not for me; my risk is low.  A larger player, like a DT, is at a different place on the risk scale and the case for vaccination is very much stronger.  Players like Hopkins have every right to say, no thanks and people need to respect that decision without the usual shrill crap that is on social media.

I am double vaccinated, so I'm not talking from a perspective of an anti-Vaxxer.  I do think the side effects of vaccinations are not talked about enough and that would be part of my decision making as an athlete.  Waiting a year for more data is a sane decision and we need to be more understanding of people who are reluctant to get vaccinated.

 

The NFL is making a business decision and so are those players.  I am sure most of those that are concerned about the vaccine have exposed themselves to things that are far more likely to be harmful. The financial risk and health risk of not getting the vaccine outweigh any risk of getting the vaccine.  It's not a rational decision.  If the disease weren't rampant and highly contagious, like for example Ebola, then not getting the vaccine would be more rational.  Let's not pretend that there is a rationality behind it. It is driven by anxiety and fear which are human conditions. Anxiety and fear drive many people to make bad decisions.  I mean almost all of politics is a manipulation using fear based tactics.  Many people who have gotten the vaccine have gotten it based on the same fear.  That's not to say we shouldn't be a country where people have autonomy over these health decisions.  People should be free to take or not take the vaccine.  They just don't get to be free of the consequences of that decision.  

At this point given the science and scope of sample size of vaccinated people in this world, I think most reasonable people will conclude that the risk of remaining unvaccinated far outweighs the risk of potential problems with the vaccine. Sure, it's still a personal choice. And there's no law that says you have to get vaccinated. But if you want to shout about freedom to be unvaccinated in a private enterprise that requires it... you better bring more than a stupid "MUH FREEDUMS" tweet... because the science and laws of this country don't support your argument. So, for me, watching a few of these players cry about it wreaks of "I'm not going to follow the crowd and that makes me smarter than everyone else" syndrome. And they're doing it at the cost of the fans and their fellow vaccinated players on their team.

Also, if you want to talk about getting the vaccine as a consideration of risk, then you have to look at it the opposite way too. There's a risk for the NFL, as an organization, having a bunch of unvaccinated dudes running around sweating and breathing on each other. They have a fiduciary responsibility to put a product on the field and nobody is going to want to watch games where half of the roster is out with COVID.

All that being said, players still have the right to not get vaccinated. They're just going to have to live their non-vaccinated life playing in another football league that doesn't require vaccinations. 

14 hours ago, BigEFly said:

The NFL says the unvaccinated need to be identified and suggested wristbands. I think there will be four colors. For unvaccinated tier one and tier two and vaccinated tier one and two. And three colors for the press, one for vaccinated, one for unvaccinated and one for jackasses. (Apologies to @justrelax)

None taken. We jackasses are a proud if ignorant lot. Not so stupid as to avoid the vaccine, however.

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Agree to disagree.

At this point it seems personal for Howie.

I don't think that's the case but who knows.  I do wonder if Lurie wants him on the team.  I also think him reporting camp was prompted by Sirianni reaching out to him.  So there's been an effort to mend the rift and the organization has the sense to not let Howie attempt to do the mending.  

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Sweats knee whether it fine or not doesn't really effect the DE depth much seeing as his knee has beena question for  the past few years.

As for saying the eagles DT depth isn't good because Malik Jackson who was a pro bowler 4 seasons ago is a joke 

Malik Jackson when he was healthy was over paid trash.

Ridgeway when healthy played better and I'm excited to see what the rookies do especially Milton

Mosher on his podcast said he meant that there was a medical decision to keep Sweat on a snap count because of his knee condition not that he was having ongoing problems.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think that's the case but who knows.  I do wonder if Lurie wants him on the team.  I also think him reporting camp was prompted by Sirianni reaching out to him.  So there's been an effort to mend the rift and the organization has the sense to not let Howie attempt to do the mending.  

Yes and it's all empty as the eagles can't afford to keep Ertz financially.

The only reason Ertz would report to camp is to avoid fines.

I can't think of one reason the eagles would want him to actually report 

Too much risk if he gets hurt.

 

Look, I got the vaccine and that was my choice, but I can also see why some might worry a bit about side affects later on.  

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Mosher on his podcast said he meant that there was a medical decision to keep Sweat on a snap count because of his knee condition not that he was having ongoing problems.  

Likely sweat wants the talk of his knee kept on the DL as it would effect his contract negotiations but at this point the eagles and every other team are full aware of his knee medical history and that he's been on a snap count.

I think sweat because of that knee will always be a guy that plays limited snaps and whether people talk about his knee or  not, his knee is going to be a factor in his contract negotiations going forward either way 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Look, I got the vaccine and that was my choice, but I can also see why some might worry a bit about side affects later on.  

Except history has shown that extreme side effects are very rare, and they usually occur within 2 months of getting vaxxed. People just make up a boogey man (in this case long term effects) because their friend on Facebook told them so. 

Just now, Utebird said:

Likely sweat wants the talk of his knee kept on the DL as it would effect his contract negotiations but at this point the eagles and every other team are full aware of his knee medical history and that he's been on a snap count.

I think sweat because of that knee will always be a guy that plays limited snaps and whether people talk about his knee or not his knee is going to be a factor in his contract negotiations going forward either way 

If I was in his situation, I would be fighting to get rid of any snap count because he could become a top FA at a highly valued position if he has a good season. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If I was in his situation, I would be fighting to get rid of any snap count because he could become a top FA at a highly valued position if he has a good season. 

True but at what expense.

If he fought for more snaps then got hurt there goes his next contract 

I'm not so sure he's ever going to get a huge contract even If he had a big year as once a team does a physical on that knee they'll use that against him in contract negotiations 

Teams are hesitant to invest in damaged goods 

Sweats knee is pretty jacked and always will be.

Barring a medical miracle in the next year it's always going to be an issue and the older he gets the worse it will get.

It's unfortunate for him but it's just the way it is and I understand him not wanting people constantly bringing it up.

His knee is as " Fine" as the eagles WRs under Reid " we're fine there"

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Except history has shown that extreme side effects are very rare, and they usually occur within 2 months of getting vaxxed. People just make up a boogey man (in this case long term effects) because their friend on Facebook told them so. 

Maybe so, maybe not. I'm not speaking for people that I don't even know. 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

History has shown that there is a ton of legitimate and curious questions that arent answered and we're just told to DO IT OR ELSE. 

I got mine because of travel reasons and travel reasons only

 

People don't know what's in a hot dog or chicken nuggets yet they put those in their bodies at will.

Yet the unknowns of a medically developed and tested vaccine scare them???

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

History has shown that there is a ton of legitimate and curious questions that arent answered and we're just told to DO IT OR ELSE. 

I got mine because of travel reasons and travel reasons only

 

Oh? Such as? 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

People don't know what's in a hot dog or chicken nuggets yet they put those in their bodies at will.

Yet the unknowns of a medically developed and tested vaccine scare them???

 

 

fear is not rationally based. that just simple psych knowledge.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

People don't know what's in a hot dog or chicken nuggets yet they put those in their bodies at will.

Yet the unknowns of a medically developed and tested vaccine scare them???

 

The vaccine is still in experimental status. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The vaccine is still in experimental status. 

Wrong.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The vaccine is still in experimental status. 

The amount of vaccines that have been rolled out into the public and the evidence from them far outweighs the amount that would be tested in a trial period.

The one question about the current vaccine is long term effects and even those wouldn't be known through a 2 year trial period.

 

 

I got the Phizer Vaccine about 2 months ago now. The only side effects that I "MIGHT" have are light headaches. Never had them before but now get them several times a week. But that may also be something else entirely.. 

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh? Such as? 

How to de-magnetize yourself

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How to de-magnetize yourself

But why would you want to ??????

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Look, I got the vaccine and that was my choice, but I can also see why some might worry a bit about side affects later on.  

We should be empathetic with people who don't want to get the vaccine.   

3 minutes ago, What The F said:

I got the Phizer Vaccine about 2 months ago now. The only side effects that I "MIGHT" have are light headaches. Never had them before but now get them several times a week. But that may also be something else entirely.. 

You are probably standing too close to the 5g towers and the signal is too strong.  Just put on a baseball cap lined with light copper mesh or strips of aluminum foil.  It's important that you don't use heavy duty foil or make a complete cap as that blocks the signal entirely.