1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Teams cant cut players because there injured with a injury sustained during football activity. Or so I thought. 

I also dont think he's officially released... 

But my point was this... if he says he was hurt, coaches knew, GM knew, and didnt want to play because he was hurt, He'll get another job next year and we'll push the mental health stuff under the rug till his next outburst. 

Side note... *IF* this was the real case(the injury) and Tom Brady went out and said he needs mental help, wonder if theres any ramifications for that 

I'm not sure if he was released officially or not.   I thought he was because Arians announced it in a press conference. I don't know if he will get a job because coaches and GMs push players to play when hurt all of the time.  Remember the story about Howie trying to persuade Lane to play in the London game.  Arians' might have been harsh to AB on the sideline but I would bet they're not uncommon.  AB's reaction was over the top.  Despite his talent teams are not  going to be jumping on board to sign him.  They're dozens of other players that are as talented and not problematic.  

 

2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Facts, damn facts.

well, I would classify that statistic as opinion based... but it is numbers.

 

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The time change is working against us, unless the NFL would do me the favor of having a ThNF at say 5pm EST… that’s pretty late for the Londoners.

They could play the game whenever they want for Londoners, and then broadcast the game on delay like they did in the old days for Olympic events.   Nothing wrong with that, and it worked.   The people who need to know 'as it happens', will have access, and the rest can go into a social media blackout for a little while.  

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

A helluva lot can change between now and 2023, nevermind 2024. And if we have $91 million in cap space, and are 32nd, that just, doesn't even seem right. I assume that your projections don't take into account teams signing players? Because Burrow, Herbert, et al will sign massive deals which will affect things. For all the doom you project with the cap, it really doesn't seem to affect us all that much.

I think cap carry over decisions are problematic for rebuilding the roster.  The reality is that this team is going to be carrying dead money for older players that will impact roster strength vs. other teams not carrying that dead cap.  It's not an issue if the team can draft well enough to maintain rookie talent.  Howie has not strung together multiple drafts where he has added talent especially in the first 3 rounds.  The 2021 draft was good.  The team has 5 picks in the first 100.  Howie will kill the team if he does not add multiple players with those picks.  

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

All of those deals you're referring, all they do is raise the overall cap, thus the salaries will go up.  So the Cap space variance will mean something different.  $25 million in cap space won't seem as much as it was 10 years ago.  Bottom line is he has to stop kicking money down the road by extending older players.  Eventually we should be able to see some sort of windfall.  I am not saying we want to build strictly through FA.  But it would be nice to be in play for a big name one day.  We haven't in a while as he's had to spend unwisely on older/injured players to make up for his poor drafting.  

Yes, but you know what that means? That means that teams will more then likely keep their players and pay them instead of having them hit free agency. There is a reason why there are not a lot of high end players hitting free agency anymore. Years ago there were a ton of top notch free agents hitting the market. Now you might get one or two a year and that is it. Those players are usually either over the hill or got to free agency because they were disgruntled and the team that they were on sucked at trying to trade them.

So then what happens is that you get desperate teams that overpay for mediocre talent.

While I agree with the poor drafting, the issue is that you are not going to find those players anymore in FA. You have to hope that you can find a player that was OK on another team that you feel will excel on your team. Javon Hargrave is a great example of that. He was not a stud on the Steelers and they felt he was easily replaceable. He hit FA and the Eagles pounced on him and gave him a market contract that he has played up to and has been a great player for the Eagles.

This is why saving for the future is fruitless. Spend the money on the players that you have, because everyone else is doing it, acquire draft capital and use it either on the draft or trading for elite players.

The extensions and dead money mean very little. Being at the "bottom of cap space in 2024" means very little right now, because those numbers can shift very, very quickly. Contracts and cap space are all a long game now for every team.

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

not allowed to cheer for anyone but the Eagles.... TATE LAW!

You have misinterpreted the law.  I shall explain:

OK to root for a random team if their win benefits the Eagles in the Division/Conference/Playoff standings.

OK to root against a team if we own their future draft pick as the loss improves the pick.

OK to root for any team to beat Dallas, Giants, or the Mess in DC.

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

not allowed to cheer for anyone but the Eagles.... TATE LAW!

He's baaaaaack!

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I'm not sure if he was released officially or not.   I thought he was because Arians announced it in a press conference. I don't know if he will get a job because coaches and GMs push players to play when hurt all of the time.  Remember the story about Howie trying to persuade Lane to play in the London game.  Arians' might have been harsh to AB on the sideline but I would bet they're not uncommon.  AB's reaction was over the top.  Despite his talent teams are not  going to be jumping on board to sign him.  They're dozens of other players that are as talented and not problematic.  

He has not been officially released. Last I heard the Bucs were working with the NFL with how to proceed. It's going to get messy with this injury thing and if he does get surgery because they will have to agree with an injury settlement to officially be released. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Howie should be given credit for his decisions in 2021 to help fix the mess he created from 2017 to 2020. 

Is this akin to the arsonist firefighter analogy?

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Is this akin to the arsonist firefighter analogy?

Spoilers...

 

I've seen Backdraft. 

Gamesmenshipping a meaningless game.

@downundermike

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Gamesmenshipping a meaningless game.

Might as well practice that for a situation where the game might mean something.  Everything is new for him.  I'm good with it.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Our rooting interests this weekend for draft positioning (based on a quick look at records):

Falcons/Saints I'm not sure

 

Saints.

It's just unlikely that everything breaks right for the Falcons to have a higher SOS than Miami. Just root for New Orleans in case Miami wins.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think cap carry over decisions are problematic for rebuilding the roster.  The reality is that this team is going to be carrying dead money for older players that will impact roster strength vs. other teams not carrying that dead cap.  It's not an issue if the team can draft well enough to maintain rookie talent.  Howie has not strung together multiple drafts where he has added talent especially in the first 3 rounds.  The 2021 draft was good.  The team has 5 picks in the first 100.  Howie will kill the team if he does not add multiple players with those picks.  

Maybe. You are really shifting money from one year to the next and technically building a matrix of new money versus dead money. It is not all this sky is falling garbage that people think it is. If you are shifting dead money to future years, that hangs on the balance and new contract are built with low up front numbers based off of dead money on the current year with higher numbers in the future. While you can run into problems with this (ie Wentz's contract) for the most part it works and allows the team to have a lot of flexibility as it moves forward.

People keep treating this like how they would their personal finances. It is way more complex and intricate than that. These teams are borrowing from the future to pay for today and are constantly leveraging that in a circle because they know the cap is going to go up every year. To look any further then next year is a fools gambit.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Saints.

It's just unlikely that everything breaks right for the Falcons to have a higher SOS than Miami. Just root for New Orleans in case Miami wins.

And, gives us the possibility of hosting the NFCCG at the Linc against those Saints! 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

I said it tongue and cheeck.

The fact that one adult things they can tell, or even suggest what another adult can root for and why is laughable. 

Heres who i got this weekend and why...

The easy ones...

Hate the Ravens, Browns, 9ers, Sean Payton,  so I want to see the Steelers, Cinnci, Rams and Flacons win

I want to see the Colts dominate to see the Wentz haters have a melt down he made the playoffs. 

Also have love for Big Red, I like Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers. 

WOuld like to see the Texans win just to create chaos

Patriots so we get a better draft pick

Yes, and this is why you're not really an Eagles fan. Who cares about Wentz anymore? I mean, sure I'm interested in how his career turns out, but for this one week, the Colts losing and missing the playoffs gives us a potentially significant bump in our first round pick. Why wouldn't you be cheering for that? I don't think anybody here cares if he makes the playoffs, other than it hurts our pick. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Might as well practice that for a situation where the game might mean something.  Everything is new for him.  I'm good with it.

Meh. It's going overboard with it. Declining to mention specific players and injury status because "we still have time to go through that" is a bit much. Everyone knows Sanders isn't playing with a broken hand, it's not a big deal to say they are resting him. 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

I said it tongue and cheeck.

The fact that one adult things they can tell, or even suggest what another adult can root for and why is laughable. 

Heres who i got this weekend and why...

The easy ones...

Hate the Ravens, Browns, 9ers, Sean Payton,  so I want to see the Steelers, Cinnci, Rams and Flacons win

I want to see the Colts dominate to see the Wentz haters have a melt down he made the playoffs. 

Also have love for Big Red, I like Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers. 

WOuld like to see the Texans win just to create chaos

Patriots so we get a better draft pick

If the Colts lose and don't make the playoffs it's better for the Eagles.  Why would you want anything less? 

33 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

And if we have $91 million in cap space, and are 32nd, that just, doesn't even seem right.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

Just now, downundermike said:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

Well this is the point. Those numbers won't be the same come 2024/2025. A lot will change between now and then. 

13 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

@downundermike

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

"not really an eagle fan". i love that. 

Because in my opinion, watching the Wentz haters have a melt down, having Howie look like a bigger moron is a lot more fun than getting the 22nd draft pick instead of the 24th. 

Man you are really dumb. You know that if they miss the playoffs, the pick is in the teens? And so you'd rather puff your chest on a message board than have tangible benefits to our team. And Howie doesn't look like such a moron for the Wentz trade, in fact it looks like both sides ended up doing well.