Just now, Godfather said:

He's had his chance. He hasn't improved not one of his flaws

And yet he has 9 wins with this team... Could win 10 games, could win a play off game in his first year as the starter... More than the last one managed. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And yet he has 9 wins with this team... Could win 10 games, could win a play off game in his first year as the starter... More than the last one managed. 

remember though, as you yourself pointed out, look at the teams they've played. Out dueling bad teams doesn't necessarily make one good. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And yet he has 9 wins with this team... Could win 10 games, could win a play off game in his first year as the starter... More than the last one managed. 

8 wins. They'll lose 1st rd

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

remember though, as you yourself pointed out, look at the teams they've played. Out dueling bad teams doesn't necessarily make one good. 

Yeah I mean look... He's got a lot to prove. I think he's improved this year. I'm not saying enough to be the answer long term but I'd give him next year (mainly because the alternative options aren't enticing).

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I mean look... He's got a lot to prove. I think he's improved this year. I'm not saying enough to be the answer long term but I'd give him next year (mainly because the alternative options aren't enticing).

I don't see a clear upgrade available in 2022 either so, like you, I say give him 2022. I also say focus on moving assets to acquire 2023 draft capital where a significant upgrade is likely waiting to be selected.

1 minute ago, PoconoDon said:

I don't see a clear upgrade available in 2022 either so, like you, I say give him 2022. I also say focus on moving assets to acquire 2023 draft capital where a significant upgrade is likely waiting to be selected.

I agree. To me... Use 2 first round picks to boost the defense (depending how the board falls) and trade one for a 2023 first. 

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You could say that if the team were a 3-4 win team. I highly doubt Howie is giving up draftpicks and cap space for any of these quarterbacks. 

If Pickett is available without a trade up, you take him.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If Pickett is available without a trade up, you take him.

That’s what people said about all the quarterbacks from this past draft too. What you want isn’t going to be what Howie does.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

35 mil for Cousins is a hard pass. 

He’s gonna be gone, and the Eagles aren’t getting another quarterback. 

Lol yea I didn’t look at his contract. 

Confirmed Hurts Hater here.

 

It's pretty clear Hurts is working on his mechanics and it's paying off. He was flipping his wrist for extra spin and accuracy. It's usually the last thing that develops when building a good throwing motion. He had a few ducks on deep throws today but they'll get better as he learns to trust physics over pure arm strength.

 

Today, the team needed him to do some of the heavy lifting and he got it done. If you look there were only 8 possessions on each side today. That was by design of WFT to shorten the game. The average game has 12 for each team. They only scored 20 points but they only had 2/3 the normal possessions. So he got it done and gone it done in with limited possessions. Teams usually try to shorten the game when they know they can't keep pace with another high power offense.

 

38 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

Confirmed Hurts Hater here.

 

It's pretty clear Hurts is working on his mechanics and it's paying off. He was flipping his wrist for extra spin and accuracy. It's usually the last thing that develops when building a good throwing motion. He had a few ducks on deep throws today but they'll get better as he learns to trust physics over pure arm strength.

 

Today, the team needed him to do some of the heavy lifting and he got it done. If you look there were only 8 possessions on each side today. That was by design of WFT to shorten the game. The average game has 12 for each team. They only scored 20 points but they only had 2/3 the normal possessions. So he got it done and gone it done in with limited possessions. Teams usually try to shorten the game when they know they can't keep pace with another high power offense.

 

Couldn’t agree more. That’s why WFT went for it on 4th down in the 4th on their own 45 or whatever with like 5 mins left. They were afraid they wouldn’t get the ball back. 

On 1/2/2022 at 11:08 PM, PoconoDon said:

I don't see a clear upgrade available in 2022 either so, like you, I say give him 2022. I also say focus on moving assets to acquire 2023 draft capital where a significant upgrade is likely waiting to be selected.

 

On 1/2/2022 at 11:10 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I agree. To me... Use 2 first round picks to boost the defense (depending how the board falls) and trade one for a 2023 first. 

This makes all the sense in the world. When you combine what Hurts has done this year with the lack of better/realistic options, it makes perfect sense to roll with Hurts in 2022 and build the team (and particularly the D which is in dire need of young talent).

As you say, if we can manoeuvre to get an extra first/second next year then we do it and then hopefully we have more options in the draft if Hurts didn’t work out.

Roll with Hurts for now. When do we need to extend Hurts and Minshew?

Draft defense. Maybe a RB in the 2nd 3rd round.

Maybe draft QB 1st round. Don't trade up.

25 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Roll with Hurts for now. When do we need to extend Hurts and Minshew?

Draft defense. Maybe a RB in the 2nd 3rd round.

Maybe draft QB 1st round. Don't trade up.

We have Hurts on his rookie contract through the 2023 season and could potentially use the tag on him in 2024, so don't have to think about extending him in the near future. 

Minshew we only have through next year, but I don't really see how the sides can come to terms on an extension at the moment, as he will want the opportunity to start and I expect at least low end starter money that doesn't make sense for the Eagles right now. I expect him to test free agency in 2023.

33 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

We have Hurts on his rookie contract through the 2023 season and could potentially use the tag on him in 2024, so don't have to think about extending him in the near future. 

Minshew we only have through next year, but I don't really see how the sides can come to terms on an extension at the moment, as he will want the opportunity to start and I expect at least low end starter money that doesn't make sense for the Eagles right now. I expect him to test free agency in 2023.

So, if we draft a QB in round one to develop, we can trade Minshew for maybe a 4th or 5th rounder in the upcoming draft. 

Trade him back to Jacksonville? 

32 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

So, if we draft a QB in round one to develop, we can trade Minshew for maybe a 4th or 5th rounder in the upcoming draft. 

Trade him back to Jacksonville? 

I personally wouldn't touch a QB in round 1 in this draft given the other needs and those who will be available. Maybe consider a developmental QB 3rd round or later.

Minshew - I doubt we get more than a 5th for him and would only trade him for a 3rd or better, which I don't think we will get. Jags wouldn't take him back.

[“However Wilson would come with a warning.

"I think you have to assume he is a declining player,” an exec from a team with an established quarterback said. "Having said that, recent history is full of examples of older quarterbacks who had a down year and came back to play incredibly well.”

So what would it cost for the Eagles (or anyone else) to pry Wilson loose?

"I think it would take at least two ‘ones’ (first-round picks) and a player — maybe three ones,” an exec speculated. "The (Matthew) Stafford trade is pretty informative, but it would be more than that.”]

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/01/nfl-rumors-imagining-eagles-seahawks-russell-wilson-trade.html
 

Don’t know about the rest of you, but it sure does seem like a hefty price to pay (3 firsts plus salary) for a diminishing player who won’t have the good fortune of throwing to Metcalf and Lockett. 

15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

[“However Wilson would come with a warning.

"I think you have to assume he is a declining player,” an exec from a team with an established quarterback said. "Having said that, recent history is full of examples of older quarterbacks who had a down year and came back to play incredibly well.”

So what would it cost for the Eagles (or anyone else) to pry Wilson loose?

"I think it would take at least two ‘ones’ (first-round picks) and a player — maybe three ones,” an exec speculated. "The (Matthew) Stafford trade is pretty informative, but it would be more than that.”]

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/01/nfl-rumors-imagining-eagles-seahawks-russell-wilson-trade.html
 

Don’t know about the rest of you, but it sure does seem like a hefty price to pay (3 firsts plus salary) for a diminishing player who won’t have the good fortune of throwing to Metcalf and Lockett. 

Indeed ... completely agree!!  I would hate that move even more than having drafted Reagor over Jefferson (that says a lot!).  I can also see Howie licking his chops at having set us up with those 3 1s and the opportunity to add Wilson completely ignoring everything else that would tell a GM with a lick of common sense to not do that deal ... he just seems like he won't be able to control himself.  

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Indeed ... completely agree!!  I would hate that move even more than having drafted Reagor over Jefferson (that says a lot!).  I can also see Howie licking his chops at having set us up with those 3 1s and the opportunity to add Wilson completely ignoring everything else that would tell a GM with a lick of common sense to not do that deal ... he just seems like he won't be able to control himself.  

The past has shown us that Howie can control himself. The Rams are the ones who can’t control themselves. 😂

4 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

This makes all the sense in the world. When you combine what Hurts has done this year with the lack of better/realistic options, it makes perfect sense to roll with Hurts in 2022 and build the team (and particularly the D which is in dire need of young talent).

As you say, if we can manoeuvre to get an extra first/second next year then we do it and then hopefully we have more options in the draft if Hurts didn’t work out.

To me it is really the only answer at this point. He's shown improvement despite what some say and he's shown that this team can win with him. Unless one of those rookies fall in their lap during the draft it is absolutely the way to go. 

39 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The past has shown us that Howie can control himself. 

No it hasn't.  Golden Tate trade, bad Desean Jackson trade and extension, bad Jeffrey extension, I could go on and on.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No it hasn't.  Golden Tate trade, bad Desean Jackson trade and extension, bad Jeffrey extension, I could go on and on.

The golden Tate trade was not for multiple firsts, and extensions have nothing to do with this argument. Tell me when Howie spent multiple first round picks on a veteran player in his 30s? Heck tell me when Howie spent multiple first on a veteran player at all?

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The golden Tate trade was not for multiple firsts, and extensions have nothing to do with this argument. Tell me when Howie spent multiple first round picks on a veteran player in his 30s?

Well, he has never had multiple firsts, now he does, so we will see.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Well, he has never had multiple firsts, now he does, so we will see.

He used multiple first round picks to move up to get Wentz. He’s had multiple opportunities to make these moves. He’s never done it, but you’re right we shall see.

On 12/30/2021 at 7:26 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

I was having a discussion in the Hurts topic and one of the posters suggested most on the board were thinking the same way for 2022.

I'm not so sure and just interested to see where people are at.

I've included Wilson and Rodgers, even though I don't think either is a realistic possibility (Wilson has basically said he's staying in Seattle, doubtful Rodgers would come to the Eagles)

Note - in most of the scenarios, the Eagles may still draft a QB, but I've assumed if it's not in the first, the QB will unlikely be in the immediate plans for 2022.

Honestly I'm on the fence.