36 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Right.  Something they could have figured out if they had all of their OTA's and minicamps last year rather than using half the season.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't know if it means much in the grand scheme of things, but we are way later than everyone else by about a week with the 25th. Some teams start in as soon as 3 days.

Just a guess, but I think there is still a limit on the number of days during the program.  So the start day may be less relevant.  

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They had it figured it out. It's not like they skipped all of TC

Punted on PS, too.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

McNabb did pretty good from 2000 to 2003. 9 games, 327 rushing yards. He didn't become a "passer" until 2004.

Vick went 2-3.

My point on the playoffs is even elite passers can be shut down, Mahomes, Rodgers last year.

You win with an OFFENSE, not a QB. It's not how pretty it looks, it's how consistently effective your offense plays.

That's why I don't care about QB stats, I care about offense stats, how points do you score, how many yards do you gain, how many plays do you run.

McNabb might not have been a polished passer pretty much ever but he had all the tools, he had a cannon for an arm and threw a great deep ball and could complete passes amazingly to both sides of the field and over the middle.

Hurts has a noodle arm horrible vision and a horrendous deep ball 

I agree it's about effectiveness and hurts is not an effective passer nor consistent and his ability to run isn't sustainable.

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

We did it. We found the worst draft.

Howie says to hold his beer

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Just a guess, but I think there is still a limit on the number of days during the program.  So the start day may be less relevant.  

I'm sure there are since the CBA is pretty thorough with this stuff. I still think there would be a slight advantage doing it sooner than later and giving the players some homework to do until OTA's

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol, last spot is either Ukraine or Scotland/Wales....

Canada draws Belgium, Morocco and Croatia. 

Thanks, Putin.

Because of the war, Ukraine couldn't play Scotland.  So the last Euro team is still unknown.  Wales and Ukraine are very good.  One of the two would have most likely qualified and been in the second tier with the USMNT.  But instead, that "TBD" was placed in the fourth tier with the weakest qualifiers.  So our group, "B", will likely have no team below #25 in the FIFA rankings.

Not saying we can't play with England, Iran, and Wales/Ukraine.  But it would have been nice to have a clearly weaker team for one game.

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

McNabb did pretty good from 2000 to 2003. 9 games, 327 rushing yards. He didn't become a "passer" until 2004.

Vick went 2-3.

My point on the playoffs is even elite passers can be shut down, Mahomes, Rodgers last year.

You win with an OFFENSE, not a QB. It's not how pretty it looks, it's how consistently effective your offense plays.

That's why I don't care about QB stats, I care about offense stats, how points do you score, how many yards do you gain, how many plays do you run.

Wrong.  Andy Reid worked with McNabb to make him into a pocket passer starting with the first TC.  And I'll add, almost NEVER had a called run for him.  Very very few actual called runs for him.

2000 - 86 rushing attempts.
2001 - 82 rushing attempts.
2002 - 63 rushing attempts (broke ankle in 11th game)
2003 - 71 rushing attempts.

 

Compare to Hurts: 

2021 - 139 rushing attempts, not sure how many called runs he had... but it was a lot.

 

As for your supposed point... obviously, passing QBs can be shut down in the playoffs.  It is just much much harder to do.   And I might add you win with a COMPLETE OFFENSE, not a JV high school offense.

 

No trading, cause I refuse to pay for "premium" on the draft network.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

 

No trading, cause I refuse to pay for "premium" on the draft network.

Not a huge fan of this. Like Wyatt and McCreary though.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont remember how/what he did but we were allowed to switch to something much more similar that eventually grew in to what we are using today.

I don't think I ever mentioned it back then, but when the 'new and improved' EMB was such a massive turd, I contacted Invision and explained to them the horror that we were experiencing. They asked for some contact details to talk to the Eagles, so I emailed Dave and put him in touch with Invision and within a few days, we had the old EMB back (hosted on Invision's servers). 

I didn't do it for this, but Invision wound up giving me something like a $1,000 credit (toward the use of their services) as a sort of 'commission' or 'finders fee', since they landed a pretty big NFL contract and I was the person that put them together.  Too bad it wasn't a cash finders fee lol. 

 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

In the meantime there was a new section created similar to ask dave where you could ask questions to the stupid tech people who were "upgrading" our boards. And this Edwin guy was like the lead man on the project who Dave was hyping as some brilliant developer. Edwin has been a running joke ever since then. He is infamous. 

Even before the 'upgrade', Dave was touting how 'great' Edwin was. Dave really built him up as a guru or "Internet tech whisperer". So once things went SO badly, the catch all for all things bad naturally became: "Edwin! "

For several years, anytime someone would say that to Dave, he'd still defend Edwin lol. 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

McNabb did pretty good from 2000 to 2003. 9 games, 327 rushing yards. He didn't become a "passer" until 2004.

Vick went 2-3.

My point on the playoffs is even elite passers can be shut down, Mahomes, Rodgers last year.

You win with an OFFENSE, not a QB. It's not how pretty it looks, it's how consistently effective your offense plays.

That's why I don't care about QB stats, I care about offense stats, how points do you score, how many yards do you gain, how many plays do you run.

Your enthusiasm, persistence, and just downright grit are completely admirable. You’d make one hell of an attorney. 
 

But man, this is some White House Press Secretary level of spinning. 
 

For the record, it’s not QB stats anyone is worried about. People don’t like watching 3 and outs, WRs running wide open and getting missed or never seen, running for 3 yards on 3rd and 7 from a clean pocket, and lousy OFFENSIVE play from the guy holding the football on every play. Sorry, but running as a team for 300 yards against the Giants or whoever isn’t the sign we have a sustainable offense. 
 

There’s a video, an NFL Films video, where a defensive coach for the Bucs, in a game we generated no offense, said to his players "This guy can’t read. He’s gonna give us opportunities.” 
 

What else needs to be said? "Can’t read.” It’s obvious to everyone but you. And the other guy , but he’s nowhere near as smart as you. I honestly don’t know if you really can’t see it, just have a blind loyalty to Howie, or if this is some sort of game where you keep your debate skills sharp by making cases for things that are obviously untrue. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Season over before it starts because of our weak ass millennial coach.  

Some talk the other day about who Hurts is working out with this Summer... I believe it's Todd House

 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wrong.  Andy Reid worked with McNabb to make him into a pocket passer starting with the first TC.  And I'll add, almost NEVER had a called run for him.  Very very few actual called runs for him.

2000 - 86 rushing attempts.
2001 - 82 rushing attempts.
2002 - 63 rushing attempts (broke ankle in 11th game)
2003 - 71 rushing attempts.

 

Compare to Hurts: 

2021 - 139 rushing attempts, not sure how many called runs he had... but it was a lot.

 

As for your supposed point... obviously, passing QBs can be shut down in the playoffs.  It is just much much harder to do.   And I might add you win with a COMPLETE OFFENSE, not a JV high school offense.

I wonder if the RPO game was more prevalent in McNabb's time if they would have called more runs.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Season over before it starts because of our weak ass millennial coach.  

This is likely an organizational decision, and I don't blame them for being traumatized after 4 straight injury-plagued seasons leading into 2021.

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

McNabb did pretty good from 2000 to 2003. 9 games, 327 rushing yards. He didn't become a "passer" until 2004.

Vick went 2-3.

My point on the playoffs is even elite passers can be shut down, Mahomes, Rodgers last year.

You win with an OFFENSE, not a QB. It's not how pretty it looks, it's how consistently effective your offense plays.

That's why I don't care about QB stats, I care about offense stats, how points do you score, how many yards do you gain, how many plays do you run.

Well, the Eagles had 0 points in the 4th quarter of the wildcard game and the opponent had 31.  

Stats are stats, but I can't help but suspect Hurts being 11-for-31 on throws past the LOS was somehow a contributing factor to that score.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

This is likely an organizational decision, and I don't blame them for being traumatized after 4 straight injury-plagued seasons leading into 2021.

I was just making a joke. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Right.  Something they could have figured out if they had all of their OTA's and minicamps last year rather than using half the season.

I think that was as much proving a point to above as it was learning what Hurts could/couldn’t do

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I wonder if the RPO game was more prevalent in McNabb's time if they would have called more runs.  

I don't think so.  Because Andy understands that the QB has to win from the pocket, even today.  He doesn't run those plays with Mahomes.

31 minutes ago, Utebird said:

McNabb might not have been a polished passer pretty much ever but he had all the tools, he had a cannon for an arm and threw a great deep ball and could complete passes amazing to both sides of the field and over the middle.

Hurts has a noodle arm horrible vision and a horrendous deep ball 

I agree it's about effectiveness and hurts is not an effective passer nor consistent and his ability to run isn't sustainable.

Mcnabb didnt learn to put arc on a deep ball until TO got here

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Mcnabb did learn to put arc on a deep ball until TO got here

Until he teamed up with Jeff Blake and Blake taught him that.

31 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Eaglesflyers#1

That was a much better user name.  Only morons use the state they live in and the team's name. 

9 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Some talk the other day about who Hurts is working out with this Summer... I believe it's Todd House

 

I was feeling much better about Hurts and at the end it shows that he worked with Wentz so now I don't feel so good.  

24 minutes ago, Utebird said:

McNabb might not have been a polished passer pretty much ever but he had all the tools, he had a cannon for an arm and threw a great deep ball and could complete passes amazing to both sides of the field and over the middle.

Hurts has a noodle arm horrible vision and a horrendous deep ball 

I agree it's about effectiveness and hurts is not an effective passer nor consistent and his ability to run isn't sustainable.

Yeah but he's basically a rookie so the fact that he's been slowly regressing as a passer is irrelevant.