1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Us flyers fans are good at math so let me solve this. Drastic changes + keeping core = no drastic changes

Let's look at the Phillies 1st round picks from 2016-2020. Moniak, Haseley, Bohm, Stott, and Abel.

Bust, bust, ok, pretty good, and bust. I really hope these more recent picks like Painter, Crawford, and Miller are a lot better. Not getting my hopes up though. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying, nola didn’t pitch a gem. He went 5 and gave up 4. He’s making 172 mil and severino, manaea and Quintana all had better outings for the Mets 

To be fair, they had better outings because they were pitching to the Phillies. I can go out there and throw strikes 5 feet off the plate or dirt balls and those pathetic fools would swing at it. Let's see how they do facing a more disciplined lineup. Hey, if they continue to pitch well, then I'll tip my hat. 

31 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

To be fair, they had better outings because they were pitching to the Phillies. I can go out there and throw strikes 5 feet off the plate or dirt balls and those pathetic fools would swing at it. Let's see how they do facing a more disciplined lineup. Hey, if they continue to pitch well, then I'll tip my hat. 

Fair however nola has always tailed off at the end of the Phillies season. His era in September was 4.91. He wasn’t good against SD in the nlcs or ws. He wasn’t good game 6 against AZ. He wasn’t worth the $172 mil he’s being paid for game 3 vs. Mets. Frankly Ranger who’s probably still hurt, dead arm and out shape managed to gut it out and pitch as well as nola. Frankly we need painter to become what we envisioned cause wheeler is eventually gonna decline and nola isn’t the guy to take the mantle

Nola wasn’t nearly as bad as the hitters or BP. But he also wasn’t worth the $172 mil he was getting paid since London he had a 4.15 ERA. His game 6 vs. dbacks and game 3 vs. Mets they had slashed of .290/.356/.684/1.041 against him 

The problem is that the Phillies have a LOT of players whose best years are behind them and most expensive years ahead of them. Despite the disappointment over the last week, all of said players are good to outstanding baseball players.

But when nearly the entire portion of the team that is actually good is at that stage of their career and contract, there is almost nothing that can be done personnel wise to give the roster a shot in the arm and get them over the top.

I think this team is now a 26 year old franchise player away.  And that’s just not on the menu to add.

 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The problem is that the Phillies have a LOT of players whose best years are behind them and most expensive years ahead of them. Despite the disappointment over the last week, all of said players are good to outstanding baseball players.

But when nearly the entire portion of the team that is actually good is at that stage of their career and contract, there is almost nothing that can be done personnel wise to give the roster a shot in the arm and get them over the top.

I think this team is now a 26 year old franchise player away.  And that’s just not on the menu to add.

Could if they got Soto who’s good friends with Harper, Turner, long and Kendricks. Problem is he’s likely not leaving the Yankees.

i tend to think they sign someone like teoscar Hernandez or Bellinger to play one outfield spot.  Or they go out and sign bregman then use Bohm as a trade chip to get an everyday OF. The bullpen who knows. Only locks to come back is strahm and Kerkering. 

8 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Not to get hopes up, but I've heard Soto to the Phillies has been a "done deal" for two years. Not literal done deal, but Soto has always wanted to play for the Phillies, he loves Harper and Turner, and adores hitting coach Kevin Long, and likes the atmosphere at CBP. And Harper who has a lot of say wants Soto badly. And Middleton wants him. Let's see if it happens. The Phillies are willing to outbid biggest market teams as we saw with Yamamoto where they has the highest bid of anyone. They even outbid the Mets. They will go high for Soto.

Well if they have any sense Kevin Long won’t even be here next year. When the entire lineup has the same crap approach for multiple years in a row, you have to look at the hitting coach. 

Watching this Guardians/Tigers game. Cleveland had runners on 1st and 3rd up 4-3 and they utilize a safety squeeze to tack on an extra run. Why can't the Phillies do this? Because in the words of Thomson, they are built to slug. Efen a holes.

Just from a pure hypothetical that maybe yhe phillies look into. If they go out and sign Alex Bregman, then Alec Bohm becomes on the market as bregman is here. You also could push him with Brandon marsh. Marsh has value to an organization that can have him as a platoon OF and he’s cheap for a couple more years at 26. Someone might think they can still fix his LHP hitting problem. Those two together have decent value to a team that wants cheaper and somewhat younger players but also wanting to win now.

The team I look to would actually be the Houston Astros who would have lost bregman. You could package Bohm, marsh and a prospect like Caba to the Astros for Kyle Tucker (coming off an injury plagued season and a FA at the end of 2025). as the two guys in marsh and bohm will still help them win now and they get a top 50ish prospect for a guy in Kyle Tucker. Essentially you’d have two hitters now in your lineup that are professional type hitters and give quality at bats. Frankly it’s an upgrade at both positions. 

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just from a pure hypothetical that maybe yhe phillies look into. If they go out and sign Alex Bregman, then Alec Bohm becomes on the market as bregman is here. You also could push him with Brandon marsh. Marsh has value to an organization that can have him as a platoon OF and he’s cheap for a couple more years at 26. Someone might think they can still fix his LHP hitting problem. Those two together have decent value to a team that wants cheaper and somewhat younger players but also wanting to win now.

The team I look to would actually be the Houston Astros who would have lost bregman. You could package Bohm, marsh and a prospect like Caba to the Astros for Kyle Tucker (coming off an injury plagued season and a FA at the end of 2025). as the two guys in marsh and bohm will still help them win now and they get a top 50ish prospect for a guy in Kyle Tucker. Essentially you’d have two hitters now in your lineup that are professional type hitters and give quality at bats. Frankly it’s an upgrade at both positions. 

that's the thing, every player that dave brings in is from a losing organization accept 2 players. heck there were some from scrap heap that won championships last offseason and dave just ignores it.

i was thinking this last night, stop overpaying on players, just sign all the vet stars that are on the cheap side, heck look when we got matt stairs past his prime and he made a big impact for us in 08, that was going all on. if they want to win a world series, stop thinking about youth and go all in on vet stars, take a freaking chance.

24 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

that's the thing, every player that dave brings in is from a losing organization accept 2 players. heck there were some from scrap heap that won championships last offseason and dave just ignores it.

i was thinking this last night, stop overpaying on players, just sign all the vet stars that are on the cheap side, heck look when we got matt stairs past his prime and he made a big impact for us in 08, that was going all on. if they want to win a world series, stop thinking about youth and go all in on vet stars, take a freaking chance.

The problem with your whole theory in this is Matt stairs was a bench player. He wasn’t a vet star player. they didn’t really give much up for. He was an after trade deadline waiver trade (August 30th). They gave up Fabio Castro who wasn’t a top tier type prospect. Add on stairs really had that HR in a pinch hitter spot in the nlcs. He wasn’t a major contributor. He was a bench player. 

also Matt stairs was 1-4 that playoff run in 08. His only hit was that HR. I’d add to this he played in 4 playoff games prior to his arrival in Philly and were all 2000 and before. He was 1-10 

If you want to say stop thinking about the youth, then you wouldn’t have had Chase Utley, Ryan, Howard, Ruiz, Hamels or Jimmy Rollins. And there were times that they thought about trading Howard but thankfully didn’t.

another thing if you’re gonna trade a top-tier prospects and get players then you better actually know the players really good like a Kyle Tucker. if you don’t and you’re just doing it for someone you hope becomes really good then you get Brandon marsh.

I Fing hate this team for what it's done and put us through......I'd almost prefer the olden days of complete suckage.....

21 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

I Fing hate this team for what it's done and put us through......I'd almost prefer the olden days of complete suckage.....

Good news, you will enjoy the next 10 years!

 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Should just be Dombrowski announcing that Thomson is being fired. 

8 minutes ago, nipples said:

Should just be Dombrowski announcing that Thomson is being fired. 

Tbh I think he would just retire. Because he was going to retire at the end of 2022 except that he got the manager job and decided to stick with it. If they were going to move on from him, I think they would just let say he’s retiring

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh I think he would just retire. Because he was going to retire at the end of 2022 except that he got the manager job and decided to stick with it. If they were going to move on from him, I think they would just let say he’s retiring

Then they need to give him a contract extension. Could they make Thomson coach next year as a lame duck? Sure, but it wouldn't look right. Myself? I don't care either way. 

1 minute ago, vsptroops said:

Then they need to give him a contract extension. Could they make Thomson coach next year as a lame duck? Sure, but it wouldn't look right. Myself? I don't care either way. 

I think if they wanted to fire and move on from Thomson, they just ask him to retire and still pay him that last year (2025). Due to the success he’s had the last 3 years they’d give him that respect. I don’t think they’d all out fire him. he’s retiring as soon as he’s no longer the manager of the Phillies. Possible to see them doing the lame duck manager. Not likely but i could see it. 

Padres were so inspired by the Phillies they’ve decided to go 24 innings without scoring 

 

3 of the 4 teams with byes advanced.  

Still openings on the Flyers Bandwagon, I am driving all the way to the Stanley Cup, get onboard

2 hours ago, GoEagles5921 said:

3 of the 4 teams with byes advanced.  

That excuse is very 2023, this year it is the shadows

Bro is just tai walker lol