4 hours ago, Procus said:

The Phillies are relevant again in October. 

 

Getting bounced by the mets in the first week of the month is not relevant

These aholes trying to be like we were with Turner 

 

This Cleveland/ NY game was fantastic. Cleveland ties the game in the 9th with a 2 run homer then walks it off in the bottom of the 10th with a 2 run homer. 

Said this last week, the Dodgers might just slug their way to a championship and not even have the starting pitching. This is what the Phillies should’ve done to the Mets bullpen. The Mets bullpen is not very good. If you were going to beat them, you had a tee off on their bullpen. 

On 10/15/2024 at 4:53 PM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve been talking about Schwarber‘s protection deeper in the lineup, being more important than him at leadoff for the last three years. This whole argument that  look at when Girardi had him out of leadoff and the Phillies were bad and couldn’t score. The Phillies were bad under that manager to begin with. Even if he bad at lead off, they probably were going to be Crap.

So you really haven’t seen it with a different manager and with different guys in this lineup now. I would really love to see him batting like third because if Turner and Harper (who have good on bass percentage get on base), get on there is more chances that he’s gonna hit two or three run homers. He’s probably gonna give Harper better protection than anybody they’re gonna get in the free agent market besides Soto.

As far as I’m concerned there’s never been a debate about batting Schwarber leadoff.  It’s asinine; I don’t care how many walks he gets or what his OBP is.  He’s a sloth on the bases; he’ll never steal a base, go 1st to 3rd on a base hit, or put any pressure at all on a defense.  To top it all off, he strikes out 200 times a year.

Af least this season he produced more runs per HR.  Didn’t he have something ridiculous like 46 HR and 90 RBI in 2022??

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

As far as I’m concerned there’s never been a debate about batting Schwarber leadoff.  It’s asinine; I don’t care how many walks he gets or what his OBP is.  He’s a sloth on the bases; he’ll never steal a base, go 1st to 3rd on a base hit, or put any pressure at all on a defense.  To top it all off, he strikes out 200 times a year.

Af least this season he produced more runs per HR.  Didn’t he have something ridiculous like 46 HR and 90 RBI in 2022??

He did. He hit .248 in 2024 which is much higher than his .197 in 2023 and higher then his 2022 avg of .218. The issue is they need his HRs as they lost Rhys HR production. Turner was added to be another player to the lineup constructed with Rhys in it. He shouldn’t be hitting leadoff. We need a cleanup hitter as we really don’t have one unless you move him from leadoff. No offense to Castellanos he’s not a cleanup hitter. Harper is batting 3rd. 

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He did. He hit .248 in 2024 which is much higher than his .197 in 2023 and higher then his 2022 avg of .218. The issue is they need his HRs as they lost Rhys HR production. Turner was added to be another player to the lineup constructed with Rhys in it. He shouldn’t be hitting leadoff. We need a cleanup hitter as we really don’t have one unless you move him from leadoff. No offense to Castellanos he’s not a cleanup hitter. Harper is batting 3rd. 

I thought a decent top 4 would be Turner leadoff, Bohm 2, Harper 3, Schwarber 4 but they're obsessed with keeping Schwarber as leadoff.

2 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

I thought a decent top 4 would be Turner leadoff, Bohm 2, Harper 3, Schwarber 4 but they're obsessed with keeping Schwarber as leadoff.

I’m assuming the reason they won’t do that is the it would be R-R-L-L. I still think they want Stott near the top of the lineup. Issue is he has to be like 2023 

2 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

I thought a decent top 4 would be Turner leadoff, Bohm 2, Harper 3, Schwarber 4 but they're obsessed with keeping Schwarber as leadoff.

They wouldn't want back-to-back righties then back-to-back lefties in the lineup. I would do Harper, Turner, Schwarber. Turner can't hit leadoff. He doesn't take enough pitches. Bohm isn't a cleanup guy. Those guys hit 30+ homers per year and as we've seen, Bohm ain't gonna do that. Bohm should be in the 5 or 6 hole. They need to find a true cleanup hitter somewhere and preferably a true leadoff guy. Not sure that's gonna happen though. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m assuming the reason they won’t do that is the it would be R-R-L-L. I still think they want Stott near the top of the lineup. Issue is he has to be like 2023 

Yeah, Stott would be a good candidate to be a leadoff guy IF he can get back to what he was last year- seeing a lot of pitches. I just don't know if he walks enough to be the leadoff guy though.

16 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

Yeah, Stott would be a good candidate to be a leadoff guy IF he can get back to what he was last year- seeing a lot of pitches. I just don't know if he walks enough to be the leadoff guy though.

Their top option is really Turner when you look at his career numbers batting leadoff. His avg (.302), OBP (.348) is higher than when batting 2nd (.292/.333) (100 more PA). He also doesn’t try to hit as many homers as he has 11 less HRs leadoff as compared to 2nd even though he has 100+ more PA. Has also close to 60 more SB. I tend to think he gets into this mindset in the 2 hole where he has to drive guys in and hit HRs then he goes into a slump when the HRs stop. His issue since he has come here he strikes out way too much and like you said before he has to see more pitches. 

40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Their top option is really Turner when you look at his career numbers batting leadoff. His avg (.302), OBP (.348) is higher than when batting 2nd (.292/.333) (100 more PA). He also doesn’t try to hit as many homers as he has 11 less HRs leadoff as compared to 2nd even though he has 100+ more PA. Has also close to 60 more SB. I tend to think he gets into this mindset in the 2 hole where he has to drive guys in and hit HRs then he goes into a slump when the HRs stop. His issue since he has come here he strikes out way too much and like you said before he has to see more pitches. 

Turner, Harper, Bohm(if he's back), Schwarber. The problem with that though is Schwarber k's too much so I don't know if he would be good in the cleanup spot. 

25 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

Turner, Harper, Bohm(if he's back), Schwarber. The problem with that though is Schwarber k's too much so I don't know if he would be good in the cleanup spot. 

I said this at the start of the season and at the end of last year, they don’t have a cleanup hitter. They need one and it would make a big difference because it would protect Harper and you can move guys down to five and six that are more suited to be in that spot.

Dodgers teeing off on the Mets bullpen. It’s the weakest part of the Mets. Able to do it more often by knocking starters out by 6th. Dodgers have scored 15 ERs (17 Runs) on 21.2 IP by Mets bullpen (doesn’t includes inherited runners like last night)

 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dodgers teeing off on the Mets bullpen. It’s the weakest part of the Mets. Able to do it more often by knocking starters out by 6th. Dodgers have scored 15 ERs (17 Runs) on 21.2 IP by Mets bullpen (doesn’t includes inherited runners like last night)

No surprise. The Dodgers have professional hitters who don't swing at balls but swing at strikes. They also take their walks and don't play hero ball. They just pass the baton to the next guy. What a novel concept. Hell, Max Muncy got on base 12 straight times, and I think 7 or 8 of those were walks. Anyone on the Phillies disciplined enough to do that? Hell no.

35 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

No surprise. The Dodgers have professional hitters who don't swing at balls but swing at strikes. They also take their walks and don't play hero ball. They just pass the baton to the next guy. What a novel concept. Hell, Max Muncy got on base 12 straight times, and I think 7 or 8 of those were walks. Anyone on the Phillies disciplined enough to do that? Hell no.

Obviously, the three Hall of Famer at the top of the Dodgers lineup is a massive advantage. But even when you go four through nine, they have different types of guys at each one of those slots. The Phillies have way too many guys that are the same thing. Bohm (when head on straight) is about the only one that isn’t looking to hit HRs. Stott was that in 2023. Muncy and kikè are playoff gamers. They tend to usually show up. We have a lot of guys that are frontrunners and wilt in bigger spots. That’s the reality. Dodgers right now are playing like F it if we lose we lose but they are loose and just living in the moment. Phillies besides their obvious issues really are frontrunners as when things go well they can pile on but when things go south they can’t pull themselves out of it in a reasonable time frame 

 

LMAO @ 'Off-season for the Bums'.

I don't get Phillies fans.  They discovered their secret sauce with this, but then just reverted back to their old selves.

 

Kind of see the Mets forcing this to a game 7. Manaea vs. dodgers bullpen. Dodgers did well vs. sd but not so well game 2 doing this. Then it comes down to buhler vs. severino. Dodgers really should’ve pitched Yamamoto game 3 and buhler game 4 so Yamamoto is going game 7 (if it went 7)

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Kind of see the Mets forcing this to a game 7. Manaea vs. dodgers bullpen. Dodgers did well vs. sd but not so well game 2 doing this. Then it comes down to buhler vs. severino. Dodgers really should’ve pitched Yamamoto game 3 and buhler game 4 so Yamamoto is going game 7 (if it went 7)

Dodgers always seem to find a way to lose in the playoffs 

Bullpen question for everyone.  As a former pitcher, I think it helps to have a role.  The Phillies had a fairly stacked bullpen this year.  But it was all about matchups, where we were in the lineup, etc.  That’s fine…neither right nor wrong.  

It doesn’t matter so much in the regular season…but in October, when it becomes a pressurized head game under bright lights…I miss having an inning almost being a part of a player’s position or job description.  Designated 7, 8, and 9th inning guys.  Guys go into the game knowing exactly when and what their responsibility will be and can be mentally prepared to ice their inning.

And for the team…you feel like if your starter brings a good game through 6 innings, you get a huge momentum boost knowing things are about to shut down with your routine closing crew.

Get 3 high leverage relievers and let them own an inning.  Then have a mentally stable and reliable disaster crew for when your starters get chased early.

 

 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If they hope Painter will take that spot by the end of the year, it doesn’t really make much sense to invest in a 5th starter for 3 months.  Might as well let Walker compete with whatever other random arms they have in spring training.