This reminds me of the Eagles last season. Started off so strong and then crapped the bed and only really made the playoffs because of their early success, then exited in the 1st round. 

11 minutes ago, JohnB said:

This reminds me of the Eagles last season. Started off so strong and then crapped the bed and only really made the playoffs because of their early success, then exited in the 1st round. 

I’d argue the Phillies April and May were legit contenders. I dont think i saw the eagles even at 10-1 as legit contenders. They were frauds then but it hadn’t collapsed yet. The Phillies went on that road trip to Colorado then SF and just never got back to being consistent outside of like 3 weeks in late August and September. And even then it was kind of fraudulent as they still had massive struggles during that winning streak with RISP 

The Phillies were the only team off a bye week that looked completely awful on offense. The Dodgers might legitimately just slug their way to a championship. 

1 hour ago, GoEagles5921 said:

With an offense as inconsistent as theirs is, they aren’t a legit contender now either.  I’m fine with trading some of these guys next year and trying to get a head start on a rebuild.

Said this last year and beginning of the year this year, they don’t have a cleanup hitter on their team. Castellanos is hitting .207 from the 4 hole. And Bohm is hitting .239 over his last 41 games (.170 since September 1). When you get to the playoffs if you don’t have somebody to protect Bryce Harper, the Mets aren’t good to throw pitches to hit unless they’re up multiple runs with nobody on base. You saw it today, Bryce Harper saw 20 pitches. 4 of them were in the strike zone. 3 of them came when it was 5 to 1 and nobody was on base so they were OK pitching to Bryce Harper.

if they had a legitimate cleanup hitter, it would actually solve some of their consistency issues scoring. They needed it last year especially after hoskins got hurt in spring training. They needed it this year and they settled for Austin hays 

I'm not saying it's going to happen or it's my prediction or something, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Mets even beat the Dodgers. The Mets have been the hottest team in baseball for like the last month 

20 minutes ago, JohnB said:

I'm not saying it's going to happen or it's my prediction or something, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Mets even beat the Dodgers. The Mets have been the hottest team in baseball for like the last month 

Tbh I think the Dodgers would slug their way to a series win there. Imo padres have a better staff than the Mets with cease, king and darvish. arguably since the trade deadline one of the best bullpens in the league. Plus they’ve been one of the hottest teams over the last 4 months. Better September record than the Mets. Better record than the Mets in the second half and since July 1st. If the dodgers can get through the padres, i think the Mets even though they are hot, aren’t nearly as good and just as hot as the padres have been 

Alec Bohm has a .231 batting average with 24 hits, 2 home runs, 14 RBIs and 11 runs scored in 30 games in the postseason in his career.

Nick Castellanos is hitting .197 with 26 hits, 6 home runs, 15 RBIs and 16 runs scored in 35 games in the postseason in his career.

Bryson Stott is hitting .189 with 17 hits, a home run, 12 RBIs and 8 runs scored in 29 games in the postseason in his career.

J.T. Realmuto is batting .231 with 27 hits, 6 homers, 18 RBIs and 19 runs scored in 31 games in the postseason in his career.

Brandon Marsh is batting .247 with 20 hits, 3 homers, 9 RBIs and 7 runs scored in 29 games in the postseason in his career.

Johan Rojas has a .093 batting average with 4 hits and 2 runs scored in 13 games in the postseason in his career.

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Alec Bohm has a .231 batting average with 24 hits, 2 home runs, 14 RBIs and 11 runs scored in 30 games in the postseason in his career.

Nick Castellanos is hitting .197 with 26 hits, 6 home runs, 15 RBIs and 16 runs scored in 35 games in the postseason in his career.

Bryson Stott is hitting .189 with 17 hits, a home run, 12 RBIs and 8 runs scored in 29 games in the postseason in his career.

J.T. Realmuto is batting .231 with 27 hits, 6 homers, 18 RBIs and 19 runs scored in 31 games in the postseason in his career.

Brandon Marsh is batting .247 with 20 hits, 3 homers, 9 RBIs and 7 runs scored in 29 games in the postseason in his career.

Johan Rojas has a .093 batting average with 4 hits and 2 runs scored in 13 games in the postseason in his career.

Lot of guys exposed by good pitching. This lineup just isn’t that good. Sure we have some superstars but if you don’t have two of the superstars hot every game the lineup stinks. 5-9 just isn’t very good at all. 

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Lot of guys exposed by good pitching. This lineup just isn’t that good. Sure we have some superstars but if you don’t have two of the superstars hot every game the lineup stinks. 5-9 just isn’t very good at all. 

Frankly some have been exposed as the season went on even against mediocre and bad pitching. Stott has completely regressed this year. Realmuto for 2 years now can’t hit with RISP. After 2.5 years of working with Marsh, he has the same issues he had when we traded for him. Higher strikeout rate and can’t hit LHP. Rojas is what he is. A good fielder and below average hitter. Alec Bohm has also really regressed as the season went on. Second half of the season he’s hitting .251. The last quarter of the season (41 games), he’s hitting .239. The last 30 games he’s hitting .207. In September he hit .170. He gradually got worse as the season continued. I’d throw Castellanos in there too. Yesterday his first two at bats were typical of what he did after game 2 vs Dbacks. Chasing at crap pitches or swinging away at the first pitch for an easy out. Before his single last night in the 8th, he was 0 for his last 24 at bats in the postseason. He’s now 1 for his last 25. 

That felt like the Eagles/Bucs NFC title game from 20 years ago. Started off with a bang and then didn’t do anything the rest of the game. 

No Bohm.  Either he’s injured or he’s a headcase 

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly some have been exposed as the season went on even against mediocre and bad pitching. Stott has completely regressed this year. Realmuto for 2 years now can’t hit with RISP. After 2.5 years of working with Marsh, he has the same issues he had when we traded for him. Higher strikeout rate and can’t hit LHP. Rojas is what he is. A good fielder and below average hitter. Alec Bohm has also really regressed as the season went on. Second half of the season he’s hitting .251. The last quarter of the season (41 games), he’s hitting .239. The last 30 games he’s hitting .207. In September he hit .170. He gradually got worse as the season continued. I’d throw Castellanos in there too. Yesterday his first two at bats were typical of what he did after game 2 vs Dbacks. Chasing at crap pitches or swinging away at the first pitch for an easy out. Before his single last night in the 8th, he was 0 for his last 24 at bats in the postseason. He’s now 1 for his last 25. 

we cant outhit everyone that's the issue here, too many teams have good pitching for this to work, that's why this team needs more pitching and bullpen help, we are never going to win a world series this way.

4 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

we cant outhit everyone that's the issue here, too many teams have good pitching for this to work, that's why this team needs more pitching and bullpen help, we are never going to win a world series this way.

No offense unless we are winning games 1-0 our pitching isn’t going to hold up. The fact we have scored 5 runs in our last 3 home playoff games is a bigger issue. That park is a bandbox and we can’t hit in it against bullpens who aren’t very good (dbacks last year and Mets aren’t great this year) 

2011 they had four aces and a good bullpen and it didn’t hold up cause they had similar hitting issues 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No Bohm.  Either he’s injured or he’s a headcase 

 

Stupid.

 

You don’t bench your up and coming 3rd baseman because he’s on a slump.

 

The kid almost won the HR derby this year.  Flirts with .300 BA every year and has power.  Excellent on defense.

 

Bad. Topper, Bad 

If they lose today and lose this series - this could be Topper’s last hurrah 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Stupid.

 

You don’t bench your up and coming 3rd baseman because he’s on a slump.

 

The kid almost won the HR derby this year.  Flirts with .300 BA every year and has power.  Excellent on defense.

 

Bad. Topper, Bad 

If they lose today and lose this series - this could be Topper’s last hurrah 

I tend to think he’s hurt. That hand injury was probably worse than the Phillies wanted to admit. He’s hit .170 since that injury 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to think he’s hurt. That hand injury was probably worse than the Phillies wanted to admit. He’s hit .170 since that injury 

Understood. Then they need to disclose it. 
 

It makes little sense and the optics are horrible.   They need to say "Bohm is a little banged up and or/has a nagging injury”  or he tweaked something etc - that’s why we let him rest - or something along those lines 

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Stupid.

 

You don’t bench your up and coming 3rd baseman because he’s on a slump.

 

The kid almost won the HR derby this year.  Flirts with .300 BA every year and has power.  Excellent on defense.

 

Bad. Topper, Bad 

If they lose today and lose this series - this could be Topper’s last hurrah 

He isn’t going anywhere 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Understood. Then they need to disclose it. 
 

It makes little sense and the optics are horrible.   They need to say "Bohm is a little banged up and or/has a nagging injury” that’s why we let him rest - or something along those lines 

Probably will get something with topper’s pregame presser 

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

He isn’t going anywhere 

He’s only gone after this year if he leaves on his own accord. If they come back and slump to start 2025 then i think a chance they fire him early. 

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

He isn’t going anywhere 

For now. 95 win season and one and done in the playoffs?  
 

Go listen to WIP.  
 

Without fanbase loyalty the Phillies will lose tens of millions per year.

 

I like Topper.  I agree with him 90% of the the time - the guy knows baseball. 

 

EXCEPT when he overthinks things 

This is one of those occasions 

Wouldn’t be entirely shocked if Bohm isn’t back next year. If they can’t land Soto, I think bregman being available and then can use Bohm and prospects to upgrade an OF spot. Bohm is 28 and bregman is 30. The fact of the matter is Bohm has value in a trade but also is due a new contract after 2026 when he’s going to be 30.

part of me thinks the Phillies are tired of him pouting in the way he does when things aren’t going well. There’s a piece of me that feels the Phillies believe at 28 years old he should be more mature and not allow his pouting to effect his game. 

They need one of their 10 run efforts today go get some mojo back.  

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They need one of their 10 run efforts today go get some mojo back.  

Idk they score 10 today that just means Tuesday they are scoring 2

From Matt gleb’s article on the athletic 

PHILADELPHIA — Sometime Saturday night, not long enough for the sting of a Game 1 loss to dissipate, Rob Thomson texted Alec Bohm. The Phillies manager had to tell him once he knew for sure.

Bohm, one of the team’s best run producers during the season, was being benched for Game 2 of the National League Division Series against the New York Mets. Edmundo Sosa is starting at third base. It’s a rare move by Thomson, who will tweak his lineup whenever there is a platoon advantage to gain. But in this case, Sosa is a righty hitter facing a righty starter in Luis Severino.

Bohm went 0-for-4 in Game 1. He saw a mere seven pitches in those four at-bats. He batted cleanup for much of the year but moved down to fifth in the season’s final weekend. That is where he hit in Game 1. It was the first sign the Phillies were concerned about the 28-year-old’s current state.

"He’s scuffling a little bit,” Thomson said. "It’s not like there aren’t other guys scuffling in the lineup. But I just wanted to get some energy in the lineup. And I think Sosa is kind of our energy guy. Run around and do some things. Maybe create some things.”

Bohm came into Thomson’s office Sunday morning to discuss the decision further. "He wants to play no doubt,” Thomson said. "But he’s a pro.” Thomson told Bohm to be ready to pinch hit. He’ll probably have a chance to later in the game.

Thomson takes pride in his steadiness. But this could be perceived in the clubhouse as a hint of panic. Thomson disagreed with that notion. Bohm, an All-Star starter, hit .280/.332/.448 in the regular season. He missed two weeks in September with a hand injury, but Thomson repeatedly said Sunday that Bohm is healthy. He has not appeared on the team’s injury reports. Thomson said Bohm will play Game 3 at Citi Field when the Phillies face a lefty, Sean Manaea.

Bohm has not hidden his frustration. He slammed his helmet after another failed at-bat Saturday afternoon.

"He is frustrated,” Thomson said. "I get it. But you have to keep playing.”
 

So they texted him last night to tell him this. They didn’t even do it in person. Which tells me that the manager and the front office had a discussion about sitting him. If Thomson was solely making the decision i think it’s told to him after the game. Which feels like there is more to this story than just Edmundo Sosa bringing them energy.

I have a feeling the organization is irritated by Alec bohm’s immaturity. (Have a feeling there’s been more behind the scenes we likely don’t know about). That last sentence of the article alludes to that. Thomson is not going to say you gotta keep playing even though you’re frustrated for no reason. It seems like he gets frustrated then starts pouting and then can’t focus on what he needs to do. Which is a problem because he is 28 years old. He’s not young anymore.

tbh i wouldn’t be surprised if they move off on him and sell with two years of arbitration left and off his best season. In two years when he is 30 they might not want to pay him. The time to do it would be now because he has two cheap years arbitration and you could probably trade him an upgrade for one of the outfield spots. And then have at third base Adrian Miller, who might be called up sometime next year. Or you can simply say to yourself why don’t we just sign Alex Bregman and then when Miller is ready he may replace Stott who they might not want to pay either.