2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They grade each play and average it out. Snap total doesn’t matter. 

You would think that to claim someone is a "top 10" defender, the number of snaps should play a role.  If Player X plays for 20 snaps in the season and gets 1 sack, did he actually have a greater impact than Player Y who played 800 snaps, got 10 sacks, 4 TFLs and 2 passes deflected?  

One 'wins' at a rate 5%, the other only wins at 2%.   (Obviously, this is over simplified to make the point that 'snap totals' matter.)

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

The basic problem is that they do not publish their criteria for the grades.  It's a grade absent contextual evidence.  They also seem to judge the player vs. the actual impact the player has on the game.  For example, in 2017 they gave Von Miller the highest grade in a game against the Eagles where he had 1 sack but his team gave up 51 points and like 200 yards rushing.  It makes his grade completely meaningless. 

If they gave the context, more folks would see that it's complete snake oil.  

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know.  @Original Sin has decent takes on prospects.  

Maybe so. But Pepperidge Farms remembers when he said that Gavin Escobar (RIP) was a better tight end prospect than Zach Ertz. And then proceeded to remind us of that assertion at every opportunity for about two years, until it became apparent that Escobar was pretty much a bust and Ertz was actually really good. But he had a good two years of constantly needling Eagles fans that their team took the inferior prospect and that the hated Cowboys got the better guy.

Oh, and who can forget (certainly Pepperidge Farms can't) his take that Robert Griffin III was better than Andrew Luck?

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They grade each play and average it out. Snap total doesn’t matter. 

They must have loved Julian Vandervelde's rookie year then. As far as I can recall, he played one offensive snap the entire year, a goal line play where he came in as an extra lineman. The Eagles scored a touchdown. Who could possibly have been better than him? A touchdown every time he plays!

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you think that list is an accurate assessment of overall play for the year?

I couldn’t say because I don’t watch or focus on those guys week in and week out. I can say confidently that Graham was pretty damn good in his snaps.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You would think that to claim someone is a "top 10" defender, the number of snaps should play a role.  If Player X plays for 20 snaps in the season and gets 1 sack, did he actually have a greater impact than Player Y who played 800 snaps, got 10 sacks, 4 TFLs and 2 passes deflected?  

One 'wins' at a rate 5%, the other only wins at 2%.   (Obviously, this is over simplified to make the point that 'snap totals' matter.)

Sure they matter when determining the overall impact the player had, but they’re simply attempting to grade what they did in their snaps. How much you weigh snap counts into your judgment of a player is completely up to you. 

But I don’t want to get in yet another long debate over PFF and their player grades. I’m just pointing out that the grade doesn’t factor in snaps so it doesn’t make sense to rip them for the grade based on missed time. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

They grade each play and average it out. Snap total doesn’t matter. 

Thanks for that qualification.  So if a player plays whatever their minimum is really well, and only plays a few games, he is the defensive player of the year?  Also the grading isn’t objective, it is subjective.  PFF may have some value in that it grades some things no one else grades but rankings are a joke.  Further, their assumptions on any given play may be completely misguided as they don’t know the play call.  It’s great that they made a business of their approach but as modeling goes, it’s seems poor.  I spent a good part of my career working with data scientists and actuarial scientists on building predictive models and gained a fair amount of perspective on underlying data.  I bet they sell their underlying data to teams but that the data analysis group is able to analyze its use because they have more data.   But PFF markets assumptions to the general public that are subjective in basis. 

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Maybe so. But Pepperidge Farms remembers when he said that Gavin Escobar (RIP) was a better tight end prospect than Zach Ertz. And then proceeded to remind us of that assertion at every opportunity for about two years, until it became apparent that Escobar was pretty much a bust and Ertz was actually really good. But he had a good two years of constantly needling Eagles fans that their team took the inferior prospect and that the hated Cowboys got the better guy.

Oh, and who can forget (certainly Pepperidge Farms can't) his take that Robert Griffin III was better than Andrew Luck?

Well everyone who thinks they are an expert on the draft, including NFL GMs, scouts and media have more than a few misses.  He was right on Bobby Wagner over Kendricks.  He watches college football and isn't trolling when he's commenting about prospects.  I am just trying to reinforce positive behavior.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Thanks for that qualification.  So if a player plays whatever their minimum is really well, and only plays a few games, he is the defensive player of the year?  Also the grading isn’t objective, it is subjective.  PFF may have some value in that it grades some things no one else grades but rankings are a joke.  Further, their assumptions on any given play may be completely misguided as they don’t know the play call.  It’s great that they made a business of their approach but as modeling goes, it’s seems poor.  I spent a good part of my career working with data scientists and actuarial scientists on building predictive models and gained a fair amount of perspective on underlying data.  I bet they sell their underlying data to teams but that the data analysis group is able to analyze its use because they have more data.   But PFF markets assumptions to the general public that are subjective in basis. 

I doubt they’re giving out any player of the year awards to anyone who played a "few games” no matter how great they graded out for them. 

As far as their actual grades, all I’ve ever really said was that they are useful to people like us because we can’t watch every snap of every player, and certainly not multiple times. I think they point people in the right direction in terms of whether a player is playing well or not. That’s all. 

12 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Maybe so. But Pepperidge Farms remembers when he said that Gavin Escobar (RIP) was a better tight end prospect than Zach Ertz. And then proceeded to remind us of that assertion at every opportunity for about two years, until it became apparent that Escobar was pretty much a bust and Ertz was actually really good. But he had a good two years of constantly needling Eagles fans that their team took the inferior prospect and that the hated Cowboys got the better guy.

Oh, and who can forget (certainly Pepperidge Farms can't) his take that Robert Griffin III was better than Andrew Luck?

Beast has his share of misses but offers some players every year that make me go back and watch games.  Sometimes he misses.  We all miss because we are limited to televised game film.  Even ndirish, back in the day, who had access to coach’s film, would misgrade players.  Frankly, Oliver Luck colored my grading of his son.  Since both made their money and quit early, I wasn’t entirely wrong. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure they matter when determining the overall impact the player had, but they’re simply attempting to grade what they did in their snaps. How much you weigh snap counts into your judgment of a player is completely up to you. 

But I don’t want to get in yet another long debate over PFF and their player grades. I’m just pointing out that the grade doesn’t factor in snaps so it doesn’t make sense to rip them for the grade based on missed time. 

Seemed to me they were trying to rank to top 10 defensive players on the season... and weirdly only 1 non-DL made the top 10.  Hard to believe there aren't more LBs or DBs that can rank highly.  Its almost like their system skews towards DL play and skews against anyone responsible for pass coverage.  I suppose that makes sense given the emphasis on the league rules to benefit the offensive passing game, but it sure seems to make ranking the top 10 defensive players another waste of time.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Beast has his share of misses but offers some players every year that make me go back and watch games.  Sometimes he misses.  We all miss because we are limited to televised game film.  Even ndirish, back in the day, who had access to coach’s film, would misgrade players.  Frankly, Oliver Luck colored my grading of his son.  Since both made their money and quit early, I wasn’t entirely wrong. 

I can't find the Jetrolot anymore (or Matt on twitter for that matter), that's a shame.

1 hour ago, KINGnabb said:

I just saw a Stat that said the Eagles Defense has never had an Interception and only 2 Eagles WR's have caught TD's in our 3 Super Bowl games.   I think both of those things will happen in Super Bowl LVII. (Defense INT/WR TD)

 

Glew in 2004 and Jeffrey in 17.

Would be nice if the defene could get an INT.

Eagles secondary in 2004 was pretty good and they came up small in that game ☹️

If it weren't for Graham's strip sack that 2017 defense came up small as well 

I hope Gannon has the right game plan.

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

It sounds good in theory, but Hurts has slightly reverted back to bailing immediately when he feels pressure the last couple of games.

He was OK in the Giants game but way off vs the 49ers. I'm concerned as well. Is it the shoulder or is he reverting back to the guy who sucks in big games vs good defenses when he gets pressure? If it's the shoulder I don't get why he didn't look off throwing vs the Giants. Granted, the 49ers D has made a lot of QB look bad.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure they matter when determining the overall impact the player had, but they’re simply attempting to grade what they did in their snaps. How much you weigh snap counts into your judgment of a player is completely up to you. 

But I don’t want to get in yet another long debate over PFF and their player grades. I’m just pointing out that the grade doesn’t factor in snaps so it doesn’t make sense to rip them for the grade based on missed time. 

It's not completely up to the reader.  The grade suggests a high level of play by a player to the point where they rank them in a top 10.  It's as if they are saying these players are objectively the best at their jobs in the NFL.  Context like injury and limited snap counts are relative factors should impact a player's ranking.  

Go get those bonuses, gents.

Some news for us international fans around NFL gamepass. It is now going to be streamed using DAZN and not that dogshit service they have had for six years, and all I can say is thank F for that. I’ve never used it, but I’ve not heard any horror stories like we have had. Good stuff @UK_EaglesFan89  @UK_EaglesFan89

2 minutes ago, EaglesIreland said:

Some good news for us international fans around NFL gamepass. It is now going to be streamed using DAZN and not that dogshit service they have had for six years, and all I can say is thank F for that. I’ve never used it, but I’ve not heard any horror stories like we have had. Good stuff @UK_EaglesFan89  @UK_EaglesFan89

Where are you watching the game from on Sunday? 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Go get those bonuses, gents.

Not the Chiefs players, they should not get any bonuses.  

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Where are you watching the game from on Sunday? 

At home.

14 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Why are you here? You got banned but still hang around with this clone account hoping someone will give you attention? How enthralling that must be.

Who is it?

1 minute ago, greend said:

Who is it?

I bet you can figure it out

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Who is it?

beast, djbigf, or shocker probably... who knows, but it's just sad at this point. 

Hurts shares why he has such a low stance

 

14 hours ago, Know Life said: