So can JR come back now?

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but again at the same time if they go you need to toss the people who like to be **** baiting people by tossing grenades over the fence and then playing the innocent victim and saying people need to not be aholes. There are a few types, and they include crap starters. Yeah, people need to not take that bait, but still. The forum would be better without them as well. 

Agreed 100%

Just now, mattwill said:

Please stop.  You have the most "points” of anyone in the Blog.  The State of Utah (or possibly some other state) has seen to that.  So please stop.  Your self righteousness does not become you.

I'm getting a little tired of you dissing me all the time then pretending to be a voice of reason to me the next post .

When 4x4 and his gang were ganging up on you and the other pillars I  stuck up for you and others even though I didn't need to or was t asked to but felt I had to cuz I didn't think it was appropriate or cool and what did I get for my troubles, months worth of crap from that same idiotic gang and an FU to me from you.

I'm assuming your above dig at me is in reference to me going to jail 

I'm not my past mistakes, you know for someone who talks a big game about treating others with with respect and letting things go this above post does not become you.

If the above post was your attempt at being funny I don't find it so the same you and others dont find momma jokes funny and wouk kindly ask you to not anymore.

 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

So can JR come back now?

I doubt he will do so.  He understands that by taking the bait, he has some culpability, it’s a Martin-Zimmerman kind of thing.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm getting a little tired of you dissing me all the time then pretending to be a voice of reason to me the next post .

When 4x4 and his gang were ganging up on you and the other pillars I  stuck up for you and others even though I didn't need to or was t asked to but felt I had to cuz I didn't think it was appropriate or cool and what did I get for my troubles, months worth of crap from that same idiotic gang and an FU to me from you.

I'm assuming your above dig at me is in reference to me going to jail 

I'm not my past mistakes, you know for someone who talks a big game about treating others with with respect and letting things go this above post does not become you.

If the above post was your attempt at being funny I don't find it so the same you and others dont find momma jokes funny and wouk kindly ask you to not anymore.

 

It isn’t a dig.  It is a request.

20 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

There’s gonna be like 6-7 WRs during Cox’s generation in the hall. 4-5 QBs. Probably 6-7 offensive tackles. Who are all these DTs who outplayed him?

Donald, Jones…

 

Suh, Geno Atkins, Haloti Ngata.  

I just don't see Cox as a Hall of Fame player.  There was a point in his career where the path was there but despite him having a big of a bounce back year he still has fallen off for several years now.  I don't think he has had the level of true sustained success that he would have needed to make the Hall of Fame his peak wasn't high enough for me to consider him as a HoF just for that for how long it lasted.  

53 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im with you on the JR thing. I told those guys straight up I was pissed that they got him to quit.

That was a big loss.

Thats separate from the Hurts/RTK issue. On that one, the other side got away with way too much. And it only made the 4for4 side more insufferable. 

One of the RTK side randomly attacked Ferris because of his current screen name. Thats pretty much on par with needlessly attacking JR.

Both sides have done the same stuff. One side caught a lot more trouble for it. The side that caught more trouble is the side that never race baited, nor made comments about dead family members. One side actually went further, and truly crossed some lines that shouldnt be crossed. Theyre all still here though. 

Broken moderation system.

Made your point HE.  I miss JR too.  I miss D20 and a lot of posters who didn’t need to "own” or win.  Just learned so much about football talking with them.  When are you going to start reviewing RBs for the draft?

Holy F STFU everyone move on! It’s Fn insufferable at this point. Move. On.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

well, it is both.

You are expecting something that is unrealistic … external moderation of human behavior (stemming from human nature),  it Ain’t gonna happen the only way human nature is going to be mosifiedvis from the inside out.  Trying to affect that change from the outside in is a fools errand.

2 minutes ago, Know Life said:

Allie McBeal!!!

54 minutes ago, Utebird said:

@TorontoEagle.

I don't have any warning points because I follow the rules.

I've never been warned or suspended or heard a peep from the mods except for when they Pmed to let me know they were handling you and DUMs coordinated trolling scheme against RTK 

Just because you don't like what I say or don't like me doesn't mean I'm breaking any rules so...maybe get a grip bro.

 

 

Frankly, you should have been warned for the Mom joke event.  Surprised that you weren’t.

Ill raise another point here. Should @Mike030270 succeed in having me banned.

Over 120k posts, and nearly 20 years here.

The numbers speak for themselves- I am not a problem poster.

 

Is it against the rules to call out mods? Yes. Am I right on that line? I am. I am aware of that. Is mike leveraging that by tagging mods on my posts last night and today? Absolutely. Apparently Mike is a big trouble maker. Now we know.

I want to be clear that I dont think these should lose their power. Its more an issue of a faulty system rather than a problem with either of the active mods as individuals.

And should I be banned, after all of this time and of my crazy number of posts when Im clearly not a problem around here- its further proof of a faulty system.

It is not wrong to ask for a discussion that potentially leads toward change. Thats what I have been trying, numerous times over the past few months. A discussion.

It hasnt come with EagleVA. He is busy. It hasnt come with mod 6. He read, and ignored my PM.

 

If I am banned, without getting a discussion thats bad. My intent from the beginning was to try to help find a solution to all of this because I hate what has happened to the blog. I did not agree with 4for4 or DUM's behavior on many occasions I did not agree with the race baiting of RTK or his team of backers. I do not agree with the fact that theyve gotten away with it. And It pisses me off that any action the mods can take still leaves all sides at odds so that the drama continues. Im pissed that the only course of actions the mods can take has left us with 2 less contributors to a small community. Currently there is no solution. My only intent has been to help find one. Not cause issues by calling out mods. 

So, I hope they realize my intent and allow me to stay.

And a conversation would be nice.

 

 

With that, I am done with this in here. Its getting late, and we have a super bowl tomorrow. Im ready to shift focus.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Ill raise another point here. Should @Mike030270 succeed in having me banned.

Over 120k posts, and nearly 20 years here.

The numbers speak for themselves- I am not a problem poster.

 

Is it against the rules to call out mods? Yes. Am I right on that line? I am. I am aware of that. Is mike leveraging that by tagging mods on my posts last night and today? Absolutely. Apparently Mike is a big trouble maker. Now we know.

I want to be clear that I dont think these should lose their power. Its more an issue of a faulty system rather than a problem with either of the active mods as individuals.

And should I be banned, after all of this time and of my crazy number of posts when Im clearly not a problem around here- its further proof of a faulty system.

It is not wrong to ask for a discussion that potentially leads toward change. Thats what I have been trying, numerous times over the past few months. A discussion.

It hasnt come with EagleVA. He is busy. It hasnt come with mod 6. He read, and ignored my PM.

 

If I am banned, without getting a discussion thats bad. My intent from the beginning was to try to help find a solution to all of this because I hate what has happened to the blog. I did not agree with 4for4 or DUM's behavior on many occasions I did not agree with the race baiting of RTK or his team of backers. I do not agree with the fact that theyve gotten away with it. And It pisses me off that any action the mods can take still leaves all sides at odds so that the drama continues. Im pissed that the only course of actions the mods can take has left us with 2 less contributors to a small community. Currently there is no solution. My only intent has been to help find one. Not cause issues by calling out mods. 

So, I hope they realize my intent and allow me to stay.

And a conversation would be nice.

 

 

With that, I am done with this in here. Its getting late, and we have a super bowl tomorrow. Im ready to shift focus.

You need to calm down. I was not trying to get you banned. Get over yourself 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

You know the tone in here has progressively worsened over the years. You’ve called people out for it in here. It’s not a moderator issue, it’s an a-hole issue.  

One of the easiest things in life is to not be an a-hole. It is fundamentally very simple. Just be nice. It ain’t difficult.

I don’t understand why a group of adults behave the way they do in here. 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t a dig.  It is a request.

If I were to tell you to get bent that could  also be considered a request no?

Words have meaning beyond what one attempts to attribute to them and I've become pretty good over the years at reading between the lines.

Maybe jail taught  me that,well that and my mom.

I'm not my past mistakes, you gotta a problem with my present ones address those and don't conflate my past ones with my present.

Thank you.

 

Cox is a long shot HOF player. He has 1 first team all pro. There is only one current DT HOF’er with only 1 first team all pro, Bryant Young. I’m not even sure why Young is in, either. 

51 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You don't think cox will sign with another team?

No, I don’t. I think his market value is similar to Joseph’s and/or Suh’s. 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Made your point HE.  I miss JR too.  I miss D20 and a lot of posters who didn’t need to "own” or win.  Just learned so much about football talking with them.  When are you going to start reviewing RBs for the draft?

Im not sure. Every year I feel I have less and less time for it.

This year on top of the usual stuff, I have the garage project. Its finally complete! But with that comes, cleaning out a filthy coal dust side of the basement so it can be used for storage now. Cleaning out the finished side which had been used for storage, so it can become living space. Buying furniture. Decorating it. Hanging a TV and getting it all set up as a space for the kids.

In addition to setting up the new garage. Moving some of the storage up above the garage. Have a cabinet system on order. Should be receiving that, and then will have to install those. Some more shopping to do for that to get it set up the way I want.

Busy with some exciting stuff.

 

My school's basketball season is coming to a close and normally Id have some more free time beginning in probably about 2 weeks. But, a lot of that time will be filled.

We will see. Every year I think I have less time, and I usually surprise myself with how much I get to couch scout. But... I really dont know.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox is a long shot HOF player. He has 1 first team all pro. There is only one current DT HOF’er with only 1 first team all pro, Bryant Young. I’m not even sure why Young is in, either. 

That's the problem. Cox is not an Aaron Donald HoF player but he's a first ballot Bryant Young HoF player.

Welcome to the Edge James HoF where everyone belongs.

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

anyone have the article cause I’d love to read it 

TEMPE, Ariz. — Here, out here, 11 miles east of downtown Phoenix, past the strip malls and chain restaurants on Scottsdale Road, on a vast college campus where the best way to pass the time between classes is to sunbathe, near silvery office buildings that sparkle against the sky, in a stadium cut and built inside a valley of volcanic mountains and buttes … here. The Eagles would have played here.

Here is Sun Devil Stadium, home of the Arizona State football team and the Fiesta Bowl, rising over Tempe Town Lake. Here is where the Eagles’ home would have been had their former owner, Leonard Tose, followed through on his plan in December 1984 to sell the team to a real estate investor named James Monaghan. Having burdened himself with gambling debts, with the franchise having lost money during the 1982 NFL players strike, Tose was seeking a way back to solvency, and for $40 million, he was willing to relinquish 25% of the team to Monaghan and wound the souls of football fans throughout the Philadelphia area.

On the morning of Tuesday, Dec. 11, Arizona Republic columnist Bob Hurt broke the story of the Eagles’ impending relocation. On Saturday, Dec. 15, after hours of negotiations at Tose’s house in Villanova, Philadelphia Mayor W. Wilson Goode and Tose announced that the Eagles and the city had agreed on a deal, one that included upgrades to Veterans Stadium and financial assistance from the NFL, for the franchise to remain in Philadelphia.

The column that saved a franchise: The Arizona Republic's Bob Hurt broke the story of the Eagles' relocation to Phoenix.Courtesy of Newspapers.com

That five-day span more than 38 years ago stands as the past’s bleak counterbalance to the Eagles’ brilliant present: their matchup Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs at Glendale’s State Farm Stadium in Super Bowl LVII. It was among the darkest moments in the region’s sports history. It began with a mystery: How did Hurt find out?Who was his Deep Throat? It ended after the community turned its outrage and anger like a laser toward Tose and his family, even its youngest member.

The scoop and the source

Bob Hurt wore glasses and parted his hair severely to the left and was as plugged in as a columnist could be. He had spent 10 years at The Oklahoman before The Republic hired him, and he used his laid-back manner and dry sense of humor to connect with coaches, administrators, and power people throughout college and pro football and in Arizona. When Darryl Rogers, Arizona State’s head coach in the early 1980s, embedded his team at a campground 80 miles northeast of Phoenix for preseason practices, Hurt would drive up to the site, armed with two reporting weapons: a bottle of Scotch and several pies that he had bought at a roadside stand on the way. Then he’d go from cabin to cabin, buttering up Rogers and each of his assistants with a piece of pie and a belt of brown liquor.

So while it was shocking that the headline "Eagles appear ready to land in Phoenix” appeared across the top of The Republic’s sports section in its Dec. 11 editions, it was less surprising that Hurt had been the one to break the news. As rumors churned of his desire and need to sell the team, Tose had been denying for months that the Eagles were going anywhere. But Hurt cited five sources saying that Tose, who died in 2003, was poised to sell to Monaghan. More, the franchise would move to Phoenix "within days after the team’s 1984 season finale Sunday in Atlanta” and would use Sun Devil Stadium, which could accommodate more than 70,000 fans, as its interim home until a domed stadium could be built.

Former Eagles owner Leonard Tose (left) and his daughter, Susan Spencer.DAILY NEWS FILE PHOTO

"I bet I could go down a list of people who had to know about the thing,” Hurt told The Inquirer’s Frank Dolson. "I think I could find a hundred people who knew about it before I wrote it.”

What Hurt’s column didn’t reveal, though, was how he’d confirmed that Tose was following through on his plan.

Darrow "Duke” Tully, who was The Republic’s publisher, and Bill Shover, the paper’s public liaison and a mover-and-shaker within Phoenix’s sports and business communities, had been boosting the idea of having an NFL franchise in the city. They were so committed to the project, Shover said in a recent phone interview, that Tully worked directly with Tose in an attempt to bring the Eagles to Phoenix.

Did they think the move was going to happen?

"I did,” Shover said, "until one of our columnists blew the whole thing open.”

One day, Hurt and one of the paper’s editors asked to meet with Tully and Shover. Hurt told them that he had encountered Susan Spencer, Tose’s daughter and the Eagles’ general counsel, in a grocery store. Hurt had asked her what she was doing there, and Spencer had told him, We’re moving here, and so is the team.

"He came to us and said, ‘I’ve got the scoop on you,’ ” Shover said. "We looked at it and said, ‘It’s got to go. Our obligation first is to report the news.’ [Tully] knew full well that might kill the whole effort, but that’s what you have to do when you’re a publisher.”

Moments of darkness and light

A sophomore at Episcopal Academy in late 1984, Marnie Schneider headed to school on the morning of Wednesday, Dec. 12, unworried about what awaited her, even though her mother was Susan Spencer.

The Inquirer had followed up on Hurt’s scoop, splashing four stories and three related photos across its front page after Tose and the Eagles had confirmed the story. Anticipating that any faculty and students who were Eagles fans would take out their fury on her daughter, Spencer suggested that perhaps it would be best if Marnie stayed home. (It wasn’t the first precaution that Spencer had taken on her daughter’s behalf: She already had made preliminary arrangements to have Schneider attend Phoenix Country Day School if and when the franchise’s move took place.)

But this was the last day of school before holiday break, Schneider said, and that’s the easiest and most relaxing school day of the year. "All the Christmas parties and fun stuff,” she said.

Schneider’s first class of the day was math. Her teacher, Jim Auch, had a copy of the paper tucked under his arm. He opened it up in front of her.

"What do you know about this?” he said.

Schneider started to cry. Just then, James Crawford, Episcopal’s headmaster, peeked through a tiny window in the classroom’s door and motioned for her to come outside. Crawford told her that he was concerned for her safety. Someone might know she went to school at Episcopal, and he didn’t want to create a dangerous situation for her and her fellow students. I don’t think you should be here today, he said. One of her grandfather’s employees drove to Episcopal and picked her up.

The media in town held nothing back in their criticism of Tose and particularly of Spencer, whose iron-fisted control of the team included firing a longtime secretary in a scene that was, according to one witness, "like watching your mother get mugged.” What about loyalty? What about allegiance? What about pride?columnist Stan Hochman wrote in The Daily News. Don’t ask. Leonard Tose probably blew it at a blackjack table. "They would refer to my mom as the ‘Wicked Witch of the Vet,’ really terrible things about her and my grandfather,” Schneider said. "I don’t think they were that rotten.”

The death threats started soon thereafter.

"Oh, yeah, and kidnapping threats,” Schneider, who lives in North Carolina, said by phone. "My mom would get letters at the stadium, and they were very specific. People would call the office and say weird things. They were very vocal about their disappointment, even after the Eagles decided to stay in Philadelphia. It was a very scary time.”

Schneider doubts Shover’s account that her mother was Hurt’s source. Spencer and Tose didn’t want anyone to know that they were in Phoenix, she said, and they went so far as to keep a hotel room in Los Angeles that they never used — a red herring to throw any enterprising reporters off their trail. "I think they were really careful.”

Hurt died in 2009 at age 84. Spencer was diagnosed with dementia five years ago and lives with Schneider in North Carolina. The two of them will watch Super Bowl LVII at home together.

"I want to capture some of that moment,” Schneider said, a moment that would have been unimaginable all those years ago: The Eagles will play a big game in the desert, and everyone in Philadelphia will be thrilled.

I hate Tose with a passion. Drunk gambling ***** a-hole

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I was thinking the same. If we win, how close do you think each is to the Hall of Fame?

Kelce is already in

Lane may actually be pretty close. He’s already regarded as the best player in the world at his position. I think a third 1st team all pro next year or 2024 would make him a HoFer.

We’ll have to see what Fletcher does after this year, but his resumé is pretty good as far as DT’s are concerned. Was All-Pro at one point, many time pro bowler, 2 time Super Bowl champion. If he can add a pro bowl or two later in his career then he’s probably in.

Brandon is tough. Though his career doesn’t match up great beyond tenure and rings, he does have that feel of a player who ends up getting in like 30 years later when this era becomes a time of Eagles lore.

I think this is pretty clear cut. Cox and Graham are not HOF players. They just aren’t. Hell, for half of his career, most Eagles fans considered Graham a bust...or at least considered him a bad pick. The first half of Cox’s career may have tracked in a HOF trajectory, but he’s fallen off so hard that it’s no longer a reasonable assessment.

Kelce is in. Johnson is in with two more good years. A win tomorrow would help too.

25 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I doubt he will do so.  He understands that by taking the bait, he has some culpability, it’s a Martin-Zimmerman kind of thing.

We all make errors. No need to self flagulate forever

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Frankly, you should have been warned for the Mom joke event.  Surprised that you weren’t.

Last I checked there aren't any rules about Mom jokes. Apparently it's a real sensitive spot here on the boards, people can say awful things but say a momma joke and all the sudden an arbitrary line has been crossed 🤷‍♂️

Having said that I pmed the parties that were offended by my  remarks and have pledged to them to no longer say any more momma jokes.

At the same time I had no idea at the same time other posters who were in a blog rumble had said some things about since passed family members and were warned about it or I would have tempered the momma jokes long before, I was today years old when I learned about that development.

Frankly I'm surprised I have t been warned more often either, it's not like I'm trying to skirt the line or go as far up to it as I can without getting burned I think the mods either pay zero attention to me or realize the people I am saying these things to are have had said worse to me and instead of warning us all they let it go til it naturally fizzles out.

Wide majority of my negative Interactions on this board have been with a few posters that instigated a fight And I stupidly obliged two of those were banned yesterday/ today???

If I've said anything else offensive directly to any other posters including you I'm sorry I don't want to offend or hurt or make enemies I try to make it a point to be respectful to posters and am trying to be respectful though I fail when I feel posters are being disrespectful to me.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not sure. Every year I feel I have less and less time for it.

This year on top of the usual stuff, I have the garage project. Its finally complete! But with that comes, cleaning out a filthy coal dust side of the basement so it can be used for storage now. Cleaning out the finished side which had been used for storage, so it can become living space. Buying furniture. Decorating it. Hanging a TV and getting it all set up as a space for the kids.

In addition to setting up the new garage. Moving some of the storage up above the garage. Have a cabinet system on order. Should be receiving that, and then will have to install those. Some more shopping to do for that to get it set up the way I want.

Busy with some exciting stuff.

 

My school's basketball season is coming to a close and normally Id have some more free time beginning in probably about 2 weeks. But, a lot of that time will be filled.

We will see. Every year I think I have less time, and I usually surprise myself with how much I get to couch scout. But... I really dont know.

Remember trying to clean out the coal bin in my grandma’s basement. We actually threw away the clothes we wore. That dust permeates everything.  We never completely succeeded. I was a kid, helping my Dad.  As an adult, I would have put up some waterproofing plastic, insulated the floorboards overhead and walled and sheetrocked it while sealing the floor.  Good luck with that.