Know he is going to be great or a bust is a major stretch.

Its all odds. They think Stroud has a 74% chance to be a top 5 QB and Young has a 57% chance, or something like that.

It also varies wildly from team to team. I'm pretty sure Baker was thought to be the best of his draft by maybe 3 teams, but one of them was Cleveland.

AFAIK Wentz was the Eagles' guy even if they picked #1 and it just worked out that LA liked Goff.

 

They will take the best QB of the 3 left to them at 2 or they will be overwhelmed with a trade package and try to get 1 of the other 2 or Hooker later.

 

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I guess but who is the spin for? Is it Rosenhaus assuaging his client's feelings? He doesn't have to make a public statement to get that information out to the media. If he was called about the matter, he could make an off the record statement so, at least in the press, he hasn't burned a bridge with a team.   Also, there's a question of Rosenhaus's credibility.  Either Carter gets drafted top 10 or not. It's not like the statement would impact his draft status.  Why make it if he's not confident in it? 

The spin is damage control. If it came out Carter isn't visiting teams outside of the top 10 without anything else, it makes him look even worse. Rosenhaus put a statement out there to defend his decision to not visit teams, because that's his client and his job is to make his client look the best he can. 

Rosenahus isn't going to lose credibility. He's been doing this for over 2 decades. Worst thing happens is he falls out of the top 10, and no one is going to care what his agent said predraft. If Carter wanted to visit other teams, he'd be visiting other teams. 

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Well maybe the Texans think he’s good but not quite worthy of a top 3 pick and would still not prefer to give a division rival a good QB?

Also another variable is maybe the Texans think Will Levis or Richardson flat out suck and know if they don’t give the Colts Bryce Young the Colts will wind up with one of them and would rather the Colts marry themselves to a QB they think sucks rather than give them a QB they think is good but not quite elite.

Either way, I think dealing with a division rival for a top 5 QB is an absolute last resort.

So now you’re making up a bunch of hypotheticals that could happen. I can do the same thing the other way like yours. it all comes down to is if they don’t think he’s good enough at two to lead them where they want to go then what makes you think they’re so fearful that he’s gonna go to the Colts and do something? They aren’t cause if were that fearful that that he was gonna go in the division and be so good that they could draft him and avoid the whole situation.

If they are making the trade out of two because they’re telling you they don’t think he’s young good enough. They do not care about where he goes. They don’t believe he’s good enough or going to backfire on them. I think if the texans Make the deal they don’t think he’s that great, they aren’t fearing where he goes and fielding best offers  

I don’t think they’re looking to deal in the division but if the colts offer the best package they aren’t taking a lesser package due to him going inside the division. They already made their evaluation that he simply isn’t good enough of a prospect to be selected at 2 so they aren’t going to fear him going there cause they already told you he wasn’t good enough for them. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Assuming Carter doesn’t fall to 10 I think the  four guys they go with if they stay at 10 is Gonzalez, Witherspoon, the Northwestern offensive lineman or Nolan Smith.

If the Eagles are seeing a parallel between Reddick and Nolan Smith that might be a mistake.  Reddick had 9.5 sacks his final year of college; I don't think Smith has ever had more than 4.5

Hard to believe they're about the same size.  Nolan Smith looks quite small.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lets address the real question.

 

Can Kentavious Street play edge?

 

9 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I think Gonzalez is gone at 10. And Skoronski is a G...taking that at 10 would be disappointing. Ideally I want Witherspoon. If he's gone, I really want to see them trade down. I feel after the top 10, 11-30 are interchangeable and we can derive more value for the class overall by picking up another couple picks.

I don’t disagree with your evaluation. I’m just looking at it from an Eagles perspective that they get caught having to pick at 10  Witherspoon and Gonzalez are gone (which I think is likely) And cant trade out I’m betting it’s either skoronski or smith. I will try to trade it out. For the exact reason you said. I’ve said that for about a month from about 10 to about 23. It’s all mostly the same graded prospects for me. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

If the Eagles are seeing a parallel between Reddick and Nolan Smith that might be a mistake.  Reddick had 9.5 sacks his final year of college; I don't think Smith has ever had more than 4.5

Hard to believe they're about the same size.  Nolan Smith looks quite small.

I wouldn’t take smith at 10. Frankly only players I’d take at 10 are Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Anderson , Wilson, Carter.  Chance all aren’t there. At that point I’m trading out of 10 and moving back spots for extra picks 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So now you’re making up a bunch of hypotheticals that could happen. I can do the same thing the other way like yours. it all comes down to is if they don’t think he’s good enough at two to lead them where they want to go then what makes you think they’re so fearful that he’s gonna go to the Colts and do something? They aren’t cause if were that fearful that that he was gonna go in the division and be so good that they could draft him and avoid the whole situation, but they wouldn’t be 

I think if the texans they don’t think he’s that great, and if he goes somewhere in the division, he’s not good enough to get them where they want to go so they aren’t fearful of making that deal cause their evaluation says he’s not good enough.

I don’t think they’re looking to deal in the division but if the colts offer the best package they aren’t taking a lesser package due to him going inside the division. They already made their evaluation that he simply isn’t good enough of a prospect to be selected at 2 so they aren’t going to fear him going there cause they already told you he wasn’t good enough for them. 

This entire thing is based off a hypothetical on top of a hypothetical. We don't even know if the Texans aren't going to want to draft a QB and if they don't what they're going to do with their pick.

But based on that hypothetical, if the Texans don't want to take a QB at 2 and decide to trade the pick I think they'd focus on other teams first to trade down with other than the Colts and then if it was their only legitimate option to move down I think they'd have to consider it. But ideally, I don't think that's going to be their first choice. I don't think it would be the first choice of any team to give a division rival a top 3 pick to take their QB of the future. That doesn't mean they'd never do it, but I think they'd try to avoid it if they could. It's why you rarely see division rivals trade with one another. In a deal you know each side is getting something they want in a trade, and while you should be happy getting what you want, you're also in turn helping your rival get what they want as well. So generally trading to rivals seems like a last resort between teams.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This entire thing is based off a hypothetical on top of a hypothetical. We don't even know if the Texans aren't going to want to draft a QB and if they don't what they're going to do with their pick.

But based on that hypothetical, if the Texans don't want to take a QB at 2 and decide to trade the pick I think they'd focus on other teams first to trade down with other than the Colts and then if it was their only legitimate option to move down I think they'd have to consider it. But ideally, I don't think that's going to be their first choice. I don't think it would be the first choice of any team to give a division rival a top 3 pick to take their QB of the future. That doesn't mean they'd never do it, but I think they'd try to avoid it if they could. It's why you rarely see division rivals trade with one another. In a deal you know each side is getting something they want in a trade, and while you should be happy getting what you want, you're also in turn helping your rival get what they want as well. So generally trading to rivals seems like a last resort between teams.

I don’t think they care who it is as long as it’s the best package available. They would’ve said and told everyone they don’t think young is good enough to go 2 nor good enough to make the selection there. They are telling you they don’t think he’s good enough so i think they take the best package available. They don’t think he’s good enough to succeed being picked that high so I’m guessing they won’t care if he’s on the colts as their evaluation would say he’s not going too or minimal success going that high or doesn’t warrant the selection. 

i think they prefer not to deal with the colts but i don’t think they care if they are getting maximum value for the pick. I don’t think they feel fearful to trade him to the colts 

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

Great job drawing the hold. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they care who it is as long as it’s the best package available. They would’ve said and told everyone they don’t think young is good enough to go 2 nor good enough to make the selection there. They are telling you they don’t think he’s good enough so i think they take the best package available. They don’t think he’s good enough to succeed being picked that high so I’m guessing they won’t care if he’s on the colts as their evaluation would say he’s not going too or minimal success going that high that doesn’t warrant the selection. 

I think this will be moot because I think they'll take a QB, but I think you underestimate the fear of failure and pettiness executives in sports have. For example we hear all the time in sports when teams have elite players on the trade block for whatever reason "They aren't trading him to _____ team" or "There's no way they're trading him within the conference." That doesn't mean it never happens, it varies from executive and owner to executive and owner, but it does happen. There's been rumblings in recent weeks that Snyder will not sell his team to Bezos no matter what because he hates him.

Are the Texans that petty? I have no idea.

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I think this will be moot because I think they'll take a QB, but I think you underestimate the fear of failure and pettiness executives in sports have. For example we hear all the time in sports when teams have elite players on the trade block for whatever reason "They aren't trading him to _____ team" or "There's no way they're trading him within the conference." That doesn't mean it never happens, it varies from executive and owner to executive and owner, but it does happen. There's been rumblings in recent weeks that Snyder will not sell his team to Bezos no matter what because he hates him.

Are the Texans that petty? I have no idea.

 

I don’t think they are fearful to trade the pick when their evaluation says he’s not that good to go 2 and they are capitalizing on what they think is a mistake by the colts to give a fortune and take him second 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they are fearful to trade the pick when their evaluation says he’s not that good to go 2 and they are capitalizing on what they think is a mistake by the colts to give a fortune and take him second 

Young is a little, shrimpy guy.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with your evaluation. I’m just looking at it from an Eagles perspective that they get caught having to pick at 10  Witherspoon and Gonzalez are gone (which I think is likely) And cant trade out I’m betting it’s either skoronski or smith. I will try to trade it out. For the exact reason you said. I’ve said that for about a month from about 10 to about 23. It’s all mostly the same graded prospects for me. 

The CBs seem like smart, good picks.  I've seen so many mocks with Witherspoon going late round 1, so it makes me flinch a bit at the value, but I personally don't see anything there that would make me dislike the pick.  Not exciting though, considering that our starting CBs may be old, but now have several years under contract.  

OL is also a smart pick, but not fun.  Torrence is sort of fun because of his mean streak, ability to physically dominate, and rawness as a fit for Stoutland.  The red shirt --> RG --> RT track over 3 years is sort of a match made in heaven for the future of our OL.  Or, still works even at RG.  But...first round is poor value, even #30, for an interior OL that takes a red shirt year and is rough around the edges.  The other OL...unless we plan on moving Mailata to RT and utilizing them at LT, I'm not sure I see the fit.  Skoronski, in particular, is just a bad fit for what we expect from our OL.  

As I posted above, Nolan Smith is a fun pick.  That kind of athleticism at the edge paired with Reddick could be incredible.  But it's also questionable value at #10 given his college production...and they better have a plan for how to use him.  Like I said before, getting the most out of 2 Reddick's might actually be trickier than it sounds.

 

BUT...I would NOT trade out for pocket change.  We may be short on pocket change this year, but we've got a surplus of it next year.  Get your guy, no games going from 10 to 14.  Unless a 2024 1st round pick is headed our way, I'm not trading down.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t take smith at 10. Frankly only players I’d take at 10 are Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Williams, Wilson, Carter.  Chance all aren’t there. At that point I’m trading out of 10 and moving back spots for extra picks 

Williams?

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The spin is damage control. If it came out Carter isn't visiting teams outside of the top 10 without anything else, it makes him look even worse. Rosenhaus put a statement out there to defend his decision to not visit teams, because that's his client and his job is to make his client look the best he can. 

Rosenahus isn't going to lose credibility. He's been doing this for over 2 decades. Worst thing happens is he falls out of the top 10, and no one is going to care what his agent said predraft. If Carter wanted to visit other teams, he'd be visiting other teams. 

He could spin it with an off the record statement.  Another possibility is that he is bombing the interviews and Rosenhaus doesn't want him to do anymore.  A public statement that limits requests makes it more likely that a team will overlook the off the field problems that would be magnified by a bad interview.  

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t take smith at 10. Frankly only players I’d take at 10 are Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Williams, Wilson, Carter.  Chance all aren’t there. At that point I’m trading out of 10 and moving back spots for extra picks 

I am predicting that all of those players will be avaialble and Howie will pass on them to draft Paris Johnson.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am predicting that all of those players will be avaialble and Howie will pass on them to draft Paris Johnson.  

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If the Eagles are seeing a parallel between Reddick and Nolan Smith that might be a mistake.  Reddick had 9.5 sacks his final year of college; I don't think Smith has ever had more than 4.5

Hard to believe they're about the same size.  Nolan Smith looks quite small.

They need to have an honest discussion debating if Nolan Smith's athleticism translates to the NFL and if his lack of production was a schematic issue.  On paper, it sure seems nice to have as many players from that Georgia defense as possible...like stacking up on Alabama offensive players...which we seem to like.

This may sound like a silly question...but how useful would 2 Hassan Reddick's be??  He is a hybrid player who rushes from a 2 point stance and moves around the defense.

2 of them could be incredible, or could throw the defense out of balance.  It's a salivating thought, but (going off memory without examples) several 3-4 teams have invested in freakish burner edge guys from both sides in the past and usually only one ends up consistently pinning back and making plays.  There is more balance in dominant 4-3 edge guys.  

I'm intrigued by having 2 of them, but it's something to consider.  But I do think that Nolan Smith is the most intriguing player for us in the draft.

Van Ness?  Meh.  He's Josh Sweat insurance.  Kancey?  Meh, he merely does what we aspire to getting from Milton Williams, who is bigger, tested better, is already in the fold, and came on strong late last year.  

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

22 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He could spin it with an off the record statement.  Another possibility is that he is bombing the interviews and Rosenhaus doesn't want him to do anymore.  A public statement that limits requests makes it more likely that a team will overlook the off the field problems that would be magnified by a bad interview.  

I mean, it's not really something you can off the record. "Jalen Carter won't visit teams outside the top 10 but a source is confident he will be selected in the first 10 picks". Like who else could that possibly even be?

If he's bombing interviews than he's bombing them with top 10 teams. And what will teams 11 through whatever think if he's fallen out of the top 10? "Hey, there's this guy who we graded pretty highly mysteriously falling out of the top 10. The same guy who didn't want to bother talking with us. We better get him." That doesn't really add up.

However you want to slice it, he's either lazy and unmotivated to do visits or bombing interviews. A big red flag either way. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They need to have an honest discussion debating if Nolan Smith's athleticism translates to the NFL and if his lack of production was a schematic issue.  On paper, it sure seems nice to have as many players from that Georgia defense as possible...like stacking up on Alabama offensive players...which we seem to like.

This may sound like a silly question...but how useful would 2 Hassan Reddick's be??  He is a hybrid player who rushes from a 2 point stance and moves around the defense.

2 of them could be incredible, or could throw the defense out of balance.  It's a salivating thought, but (going off memory without examples) several 3-4 teams have invested in freakish burner edge guys from both sides in the past and usually only one ends up consistently pinning back and making plays.  There is more balance in dominant 4-3 edge guys.  

I'm intrigued by having 2 of them, but it's something to consider.  But I do think that Nolan Smith is the most intriguing player for us in the draft.

Van Ness?  Meh.  He's Josh Sweat insurance.  Kancey?  Meh, he merely does what we aspire to getting from Milton Williams, who is bigger, tested better, is already in the fold, and came on strong late last year.  

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

I'm a big Milton fan, more than most probably. But I would still be happy with Kancey at 30 to add to the rotation immediately. At 10? Hell no. I do wonder about the redundancy if they go Smith as well. I still think the smart pick is one of Witherspoon/Gonzalez or trade down. There's just not enough of a talent gap between guys after the first 8-9 players. Best case is Levis or Richardson are still there at 10 and we can get into the late teens.

4 hours ago, RLC said:

What?

Not wanting Carter for character concerns is 100% fair. But he's a top 5 non-QB pick in any draft class.

Just looking,  didn't see any 40 time or anything.   Is he hurt or is he just not as good as people think he is?   Neither one of those things is good.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They need to have an honest discussion debating if Nolan Smith's athleticism translates to the NFL and if his lack of production was a schematic issue.  On paper, it sure seems nice to have as many players from that Georgia defense as possible...like stacking up on Alabama offensive players...which we seem to like.

This may sound like a silly question...but how useful would 2 Hassan Reddick's be??  He is a hybrid player who rushes from a 2 point stance and moves around the defense.

2 of them could be incredible, or could throw the defense out of balance.  It's a salivating thought, but (going off memory without examples) several 3-4 teams have invested in freakish burner edge guys from both sides in the past and usually only one ends up consistently pinning back and making plays.  There is more balance in dominant 4-3 edge guys.  

I'm intrigued by having 2 of them, but it's something to consider.  But I do think that Nolan Smith is the most intriguing player for us in the draft.

Van Ness?  Meh.  He's Josh Sweat insurance.  Kancey?  Meh, he merely does what we aspire to getting from Milton Williams, who is bigger, tested better, is already in the fold, and came on strong late last year.  

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

I've been seeing the Milton Williams chatter heating up the last few days in regards to a reason not to take Kancey.  Wouldn't it be great to have two unblockable athletic freaks at DT?  Since the Eagles rotate so much anyway it's not like they would be constantly pounded on and wearing down but on the flipside they would be able to come in fresh after the OL had 6-6 330 lbs of Jordan Davis leaning on them.  I love the idea of Williams and Kancey together. 

Van Ness wouldn't be Sweat insurance, he would be BG's replacement when he hangs them up next year as well as another big body that could move inside to create mismatches.  

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

I'm not convinced Witherspoon couldn't play slot and Maddox moved to FS.  Maddox/Edmunds at safety, Bradberry/Slay at outside CB, Witherspoon in the slot, and Greedy Williams to back up both outside CB spots.

Just some random musings based on  draft hype and what I've been reading here.

-- Eagles would be an ideal landing spot for Jalen Carter. Strong organization that will invest in helping him, strong veteran leadership, high character peers who played with him in college. There's still a lot we don't know, but I believe the Eagles will do their due diligence enough to make the right decision either way on the character piece.

-- Seems like arm length is such a major factor in NFL success for so many positions. Whoever they draft with their first pick, I hope it's not a T-Rex.

-- At this point it seems like a long shot he falls to 10, but I'm way more in on Van Ness than it seems others here are. Dude is gonna be a stud.

-- Hendon Hooker will be a fascinating case. If he's there at 30, I could see a redo of the 2018  trade back. Who knows.