24 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Marcus Hayes said that the Eagles did not have a QB. He said this in summer 2022.

He is not a journalist. He is a 5th rate circus clown.

Agreed I’ve seen better writing in the stall of the men’s room. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s Marcus hayes so it’s highly likely BS as he’s a dumb@$$ 

 

I mean guys like Maclin, McCoy, and Avant went to play for him in KC after playing for him here. As long as AR has been a coach, there’s undoubtedly players who will hate him. What great coach didn’t have players hate him? 

This is a BS statement to get clicks 

2 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

Agreed I’ve seen better writing in the stall of the men’s room. 

Probably the same stall @hputenis and @Godfather have glory hole wars in 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I mean guys like Maclin, McCoy, and Avant went to play for him in KC after playing for him here. As long as AR has been a coach, there’s undoubtedly players who will hate him. What great coach didn’t have players hate him? 

This is a BS statement to get clicks 

AR is revered by the entire Eagles organization, the entire Chiefs organization, the Packers organization, the NFL media, the NFL, and countless former players.

I doubt Marcus Hayes is respected by his own family.

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

@FranklinFldEBUpper

Speaking of Sisposs, I would be curious if you have the hang times on his 9 worse punts (the tenth being that one in the Super Bowl where he may not yet have been fully healthy),if you have that data.  How does that compare to the longest returns against the Eagles last year or shanks out of bounds.

Nine worst Siposs HTs on the season: 3.40; 3.43; 3.56; 3.57; 3.69; 3.75; 3.81; 3.83: 3.85. Three of those punts were from beyond midfield so height wouldn't necessarily be the priority.

Not sure how to handle the rest of the query.

18 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Nine worst Siposs HTs on the season: 3.40; 3.43; 3.56; 3.57; 3.69; 3.75; 3.81; 3.83: 3.85. Three of those punts were from beyond midfield so height wouldn't necessarily be the priority.

Not sure how to handle the rest of the query.

Thanks.  It’s that inconsistency about Sisposs that bothers me.   Always value your STs info.  

7 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

he was a rookie adjusting.  He did return punts and some kicks.   Did have a 27 yard punt return in the Super Bowl.   I'd say it was good.  I'd also say that Nolan Smith should be the kick returner and the punt returner if that was something he could do.  He has that size, speed, ras of 10.  Covey did a solid job,  he has some good speed and excellent agility,  but it's not 10 Ras Nolan Smith.  Nolan Smith had a 29 yard punt return in college.   Someone mentioned Ringo,  he had returns in high school but not in college. 

Your mom should be arrested because there is a 0% chance you weren’t shook as a baby…repeatedly. 

13 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

All a person really has to do is look at the PR leaders from last season.  The best PR were about 10.5 - 12.5 yards per return.  Covey was 9.3 yards per return.  He's not inspiring, but he's also not problematic.  

His roster spot for PR could be taken up by one of the RBs, but I'm not sure that doesn't mean the Eagles aren't dressing an extra RB for that purpose anyway.  As has been said before, I think the biggest gain on special teams would be to:  1) improve kick and punt coverage,  2) look at getting a punter with a bigger leg, then  3) get a more dynamic KR/PR specialist.

Not trying to defend Covey, but you will find that his second half of the season stats were consistent with the 10.5-12.5 yards per return range.  His average for the first 10 games was 6.50 yards on 18 returns.  His average for games 11 through 21 was 13.29 yards on 17 returns.

12 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The longest recorded hang time for a punt is 6 seconds and was set in 1989. Any changes in punting are more to do with special teams being more practiced rather than every modern punter being better than guys like Landeta and Guy.

Sproles retired like 3 years ago, Devin Hester was 5 years ago there hasn't been a revolution in punting since 2019.

No revolution ... on that I agree.  Just a steady consistent improvement in both AVERAGE distance and AVERAGE hang time.

24 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Your mom should be arrested because there is a 0% chance you weren’t shook as a baby…repeatedly. 

 

13 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I wanna weight in Britain Covey for a minute. I've seen a few comments that need to be addressed. First of all, this notion that he fair catches too many punts simply isn't born out by the statistics. Throughout the league last year (regular season only), there were 951 punt returns and 607 fair catches. In other words, fair catches were made about 39% of the time.

Britain Covey returned 33 punts and fair caught 18 punts. That means he fair caught the ball about 35% of the time. Less than the league average. In other words, he's actually been MORE aggressive as a returner than average. So, basically, how the F would someone argue that he fair catches too many punts? Do you not watch the games? Or do you assume that because he's white, that's just what he does? It's fn absurd.

Furthermore -- and this is a big point -- Eagles opponents were significantly better than normal as far as punting/hang time is concerned. I know that no one in the world (outside of professionals) devotes more effort into timing and cataloguing kicks and punts than I do. I have data going back almost forty years on this crap. So I know WTF I'm talking about. Here is the average hangtime that Eagles opponents had between '13 and '21:

2013: 4.35

2014: 4.43

2015: 4.46

2016: 4.45

2017: 4.32

2018: 4.43

2019: 4.44

2020: 4.46

2021: 4.28

And then last year (2022, excluding the SB which I STILL haven't had the stomach to do yet), that number spiked up to 4.51 seconds. Significantly more than the norm. In other words, one would actually have expected the Eagles to fair catch MORE than the league average since their opponents were insane at hitting the ball high. But that wasn't the case.

Incidentally, Siposs averaged about 4.33 seconds last year whereas Kern averaged a pathetic 3.88 seconds. Siposs was respectable. Kern was not.

Furthermore, the league punt return average last year was 8.89 yards. Only three were returned for touchdowns. In the entire league. So basically Britain Covey tied for fourth (pretty good!) in terms of touchdown returns. Additionally Covey averaged 9.33 yards per return. Almost half a yard more than the league average. And that's excluding the Super Bowl where he did well. And while he muffed two punts (from my memory) he didn't lose a single ball all year. That's pretty damn good. Fumbled punts tend to be game altering plays.

So cut the crap. Covey did a solid job last year returning punts. He was above average in every damn metric.

We had the best defense in the league last year, he regularly had more field to work with than pretty much any other returner out there, his yardage numbers should stand out, unless he was playing in a wheel chair.

Meanwhile the eye test tells everyone watching that when he's running towards coverage, he finds holes like a blind pornstar.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We had the best defense in the league last year, he regularly had more field to work with than pretty much any other returner out there, his yardage numbers should stand out, unless he was playing in a wheel chair.

Meanwhile the eye test tells everyone watching that when he's running towards coverage, he finds holes like a blind pornstar.

The issue was blocking. 

Non-Eagles related but going back to the retired number conversation.

Joe Namath calls Aaron Rodgers and says he WANTS him to wear 12.  12 has been retired since 1985.

Terrell Suggs 55 isn't retired but hasn't been worn since he retired.  Suggs, not the Ravens, won't let Ojabo wear 55.

On a side note, I'm excited to see what a healthy Ojabo can do in year 2 for the Ravens.  Unlike Sydney Jones and his injury, I think the Ravens got a steal here.  Ojabo and Oweh are going to cause problems off the edge for the Ravens. 

 

10 hours ago, QuinnWR4 said:

Agreed I’ve seen better writing in the stall of the men’s room. 

ShatGPT?

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We had the best defense in the league last year, he regularly had more field to work with than pretty much any other returner out there, his yardage numbers should stand out, unless he was playing in a wheel chair.

Meanwhile the eye test tells everyone watching that when he's running towards coverage, he finds holes like a blind pornstar.

 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The issue was blocking. 

Yeah --- How does the ST blocking fare on the old "eye test?"

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Non-Eagles related but going back to the retired number conversation.

Joe Namath calls Aaron Rodgers and says he WANTS him to wear 12.  12 has been retired since 1985.

Terrell Suggs 55 isn't retired but hasn't been worn since he retired.  Suggs, not the Ravens, won't let Ojabo wear 55.

On a side note, I'm excited to see what a healthy Ojabo can do in year 2 for the Ravens.  Unlike Sydney Jones and his injury, I think the Ravens got a steal here.  Ojabo and Oweh are going to cause problems off the edge for the Ravens. 

 

Asshat move by Suggs

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

 

Yeah --- How does the ST blocking fare on the old "eye test?"

No doubt the lack of coordinated blocking early on hurt Covey.  But his instincts and quickness did not suggest much of a threat as the season went on.  

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Non-Eagles related but going back to the retired number conversation.

Joe Namath calls Aaron Rodgers and says he WANTS him to wear 12.  12 has been retired since 1985.

Terrell Suggs 55 isn't retired but hasn't been worn since he retired.  Suggs, not the Ravens, won't let Ojabo wear 55.

On a side note, I'm excited to see what a healthy Ojabo can do in year 2 for the Ravens.  Unlike Sydney Jones and his injury, I think the Ravens got a steal here.  Ojabo and Oweh are going to cause problems off the edge for the Ravens. 

 

I think the whole number thing is unnecessary hubris, but in Suggs’ defense, his legacy isn’t nearly that of Namath. Keeping the number retired would impact his relevance more than Joe

There were moments reading the stuff on Covey, that I was getting flashbacks to Reno Mahe, and the memes created of PRs. Good times

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

There were moments reading the stuff on Covey, that I was getting flashbacks to Reno Mahe, and the memes created of PRs. Good times

It's rather simple with Covey.  He's on the roster to be the PR and many of us just think that's a waste or a roster spot and would like to see a player who can contribute more than 4-5 plays per game. Reno Mahe's least productive year on offense once he became the Eagles primary PR was still better than Covey last year.  Reno Mahe's stat line for that year..

1 catch for 11 yards and a first down.  Covey didn't even give the Eagles that.

The issue isn't Covey as a returner.  For some reason there are a lot of folks who don't understand the actual argument here. 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's rather simple with Covey.  He's on the roster to be the PR and many of us just think that's a waste or a roster spot and would like to see a player who can contribute more than 4-5 plays per game. Reno Mahe's least productive year on offense once he became the Eagles primary PR was still better than Covey last year.  Reno Mahe's stat line for that year..

1 catch for 11 yards and a first down.  Covey didn't even give the Eagles that.

The issue isn't Covey as a returner.  For some reason there are a lot of folks who don't understand the actual argument here. 

Carrying a player for a niche role, is only something a team with a deep roster can do.  I would love the Birds to finally take the RS seriously and not make it a make do position. Having someone who can contribute in the O or D; but clearly with the players they sign and retain on the PS, it's not something the FO value enough to do anything about it.

So unless something out the norm happens, Covey will be the RS this season and the roster will be compromised elsewhere to do it

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Terrell Suggs 55 isn't retired but hasn't been worn since he retired.  Suggs, not the Ravens, won't let Ojabo wear 55.

It's not up to Suggs; it's entirely the organization's call.  If Bisciotti asked Ojabo to speak with Suggs, then Bisciotti should simply be telling Ojabo the number isn't available, retired or not.  It's likely the organization is leaving the option open to retire his number at a later time, and Bisciotti should have just told Ojabo that.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We had the best defense in the league last year, he regularly had more field to work with than pretty much any other returner out there, his yardage numbers should stand out, unless he was playing in a wheel chair.

Meanwhile the eye test tells everyone watching that when he's running towards coverage, he finds holes like a blind pornstar.

That really depends on when you conducted your eye test.  If you conducted it during the first 10 games of the season his average return was 6.50 yards on 18 returns.  If you conducted it during games 11 through 21 his average return was over twice as productive at 13.29 yards on 17 returns.  
 

What you appear to disdain is Covey’s willingness/ability to take the immediately available yards that are right in front of him.  That means he had zero returns out of 35 that went for negative yards.

Further, your "field to work with” logic is illogical when @FranklinFldEBUpper’s well documented hang time statistics for the 2022 season are considered.  Field to work with has next to nothing to do with field position, and everything to do with punt hang time.  The higher the hang time the further down the field the opposing gunners can get, which reduces the amount of field the returner has to work with.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

 

Yeah --- How does the ST blocking fare on the old "eye test?"

I already said that the Special Teams overall wasn't great last year, but the ability of Covey to run up a blind alley is still remarkable, he found the first defender lots of times, and he has nothing else to offer the team.

To keep a specialist returner who does nothing else, his returning should be exceptional and Covey's is the definition of ordinary, Reagor was a catastrophe back there, but that doesn't mean we should accept Covey just because he doesn't muff punts. If he was a 3rd WR or DB that returned it's a different conversation, but he's occupying a roster spot to do a specific job and he's nothing special at it.

Literally any other position, even a back up that was this meh, this board would be fine with people asking to upgrade, but for some reason Covey is now a sacred cow.

51 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's rather simple with Covey.  He's on the roster to be the PR and many of us just think that's a waste or a roster spot and would like to see a player who can contribute more than 4-5 plays per game. Reno Mahe's least productive year on offense once he became the Eagles primary PR was still better than Covey last year.  Reno Mahe's stat line for that year..

1 catch for 11 yards and a first down.  Covey didn't even give the Eagles that.

The issue isn't Covey as a returner.  For some reason there are a lot of folks who don't understand the actual argument here. 

He had 33 returns in the regular season, that's about 2 returns per game. Is that worth a roster spot? Yes, Covey is fine as a punt returner. Based on his return stats he was a top 10 punt returner. Like you, I think the Eagles could find a player that provides better value than 2 plays per game.