20 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

 

I’ve been on the proverbial fence on the Jalen Carter pick, but now that I see Spadaro approves ….. that’s good enough for me

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well that we’ll never know.  But you are definitely right about the numbers.  Ertz had more receptions than he ideally should have…those wrs weren’t as good as Brown/Smith.  And Goedert definitely would put up more rec (and therefore yards) with the 2017 receiving corps that deserved fewer targets.

I still think Ertz was a meaningfully better receiver than Goedert despite the stat inflation he may have had.  

Your final paragraph is a good example of how/why @EaglePhan1986‘s "snooze fest” comment is so far off the mark.  It is exciting to have conversations here in the Blog. I can’t imagine going to sleep.

 

48 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your final paragraph is a good example of how/why @EaglePhan1986‘s "snooze fest” comment is so far off the mark.  It is exciting to have conversations here in the Blog. I can’t imagine going to sleep.

Get a real dog

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Get a real dog

5 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Here’s an interesting set of questions:

 

1. If you get drafted, participate in rookie minicamp and even OTAs, but have contract disputes that lead to you reentering the draft the next year, are you still a rookie for the new team? I would guess… yes?

2. If you’re an UDFA, sign your deal, but get cut in minicamp due to an injury, miss the season, then sign with a new team the following year… are you still a rookie? I would guess no.

3. if you are an UDFA, no one picks you up, you wait by the phone all season as an available free agent, then sign to a team the following summer, are you still a rookie? This is kind of a combination of the other two… so I really don’t know. I don’t think you’re still a rookie, but then I can’t really explain why that’s different from #1

1. Yes

2. No. You're a first year player.

3. Yes.

I’ve heard a few times that the Raiders may end up releasing Hunter Renfrow. Any thoughts on him being an upgrade to WR3?

3 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

I’ve heard a few times that the Raiders may end up releasing Hunter Renfrow. Any thoughts on him being an upgrade to WR3?

Crazy cap hit. I have always liked the kid, but I think the Eagles pass

This 2017 vs 2022 debate is stupid.  

2017 ending:

2022 ending: 

 

Day 2 of OTA's today and reporters are in attendance!  Finally some content...maybe.

So far we've got a broken sled and Jordan Davis is in the best shape of his life.  Today I'm expecting Nakobe Dean is ready for the spotlight and Nolan Smith's affinity for lady frames.  

 

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

So far we've got a broken sled and Jordan Davis is in the best shape of his life.  Today I'm expecting Nakobe Dean is ready for the spotlight and Nolan Smith's affinity for lady frames.  

 

And D'Andre Swift has large nipples?

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

I agree with you that RBs: 2017 > 2022, but that doesn't account for the impact of the QB on the running game.  I fyou had to take the 2017 running game or the 2022 running game, which would you choose?

On TE, I understand the logic that 2017 = 2022, but I personally would prefer the 2022 TEs to the 2017 TEs.  The reason is pretty straightforward.  In 2017 in order to get good blocking Ertz had to be replaced with Celek.  That is a huge message to the opposing D.  Because of Goedert's versatility the opposing D was always guessing right up to the point where the ball was snapped.  That is a huge tactical advantage, that I believe tips the TE scales to 2022 > 2017.

So I get:

QB: 2022 > 2017

Running Backs: 2022 > 2017

WRs: 2022 > 2017

TEs: 2022 > 2017

O-Line: 2022 > 2017

D-Line: 2017 > 2022

LBs: 2017 = 2022

CBs: 2022 > 2017

S: 2017 > 2022

STs: 2017 > 2022

Coaches: 2017 > 2022

Final Tally:

2022 - 6

2017 - 4

1 draw

I'd take the 2017 running game over the 2022 running game, every time and twice on Sunday.  But that's because I'm still in the school that I don't want to use my QB as such a huge part of the running game.  It's playing with fire, IMO.  Far too dangerous.

 

BTW, how can you claim that the 2022 CBs were 'better' than the 2017 CBs, when both got lit up in the Super Bowl?  The 2022 CBs suffered from a weak game plan, and even in the regular season got lit up by QBs that would be slightly better than average.  The scheme didn't highlight the talent, which is why the coaching difference is such a disparity in favor of 2017.  The 2017 defense did more with less in the secondary while the 2022 defense did less with more.

 

I also don't see how the 2017 LBs aren't better than the 2022 LBs.  Kendricks, Bradham and Hicks were far superior to Edwards, White et al.

 

 

BTW, you might want to recheck the way the 2017 team used their TEs.  Ertz was almost always on the field.  Celek was used as a 2nd TE and they used 12 personnel often... even 13 personnel, because their 3 TEs were WAY better than 2022's TEs.  In the game Ertz missed, Burton and Celek stepped up and produced huge numbers.  Stoll and Calcaterra combined for about 200 yards receiving and 0 TDs.  Burton and Celek combined for 380 yards and FIVE Tds.  

 

 

And finally... let's consider this: https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Article/2017-Eagles-selected-as-one-of-NFLs-greatest-teams-this-decade--133497173/#:~:text=The Eagles offense finished third,-down conversion (41.74%).

NFL.com ranked 2017 Eagles as the 3rd best team of that decade.
 

Final paragraphs from that article: 

[quote]

The Eagles offense finished third in scoring (28.6 points per game) and seventh in total offense (365.8 yards per game). Philadelphia finished third in rushing (132.2 yards) and 13th in passing (233.6 yards per game). The Eagles led the league in time of possession and finished eighth in third-down conversion (41.74%). he offense did not have a 1,00-yard rusher or 1,000-yard receiver, but was the only NFL team to have a top-five offense and defense in 2017.

The 2017 Eagles were one of the best teams of the decade, and one of the best teams in the last 20 years of the NFL.
[/quote]

I am curious to see where the 2022 Eagles will be ranked for the '20s.  Likely not that high, because rightly or wrongly, when you win, you are remembered more than when you don't.  

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I’d point out that 2022 ST was really bad.  All the other comps are strength vs strength.  But that ST was ugly.

Id also say 2017 TE > 2022.  Prime Ertz may not measure up as a blocker, but he was still beyond Goedert in his impact due to sheer receiving ability.  Throw in Burton, who was better than the 2022 depth.

As evidenced by the way the team leaned on him on the most important drive of the game (the only drive they were trailing)... They go to Ertz on 4th and 1, and convert.  They go to Ertz on 3rd down in the red zone, and convert for a TD to take the lead.    Ertz was their most dangerous individual weapon on that offense, which some might see as a weakness to the offense as a whole but I would say that those who feel that way are just undervaluing his impact.

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

 

Ah geez... now he's gonna have to pay for that!   

 

 

 

"You break it, you bought it!"

2 hours ago, QBhunter58 said:

Crazy cap hit. I have always liked the kid, but I think the Eagles pass

I think we have our slot guy in Zaccheus. What we desperately need is a backup outside WR in case AJ or DeVonta are out for a bit.

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

 

I am not going to lie this gets me sprung like a sun dress on @hputenis even knowing this is likely propaganda from Spadaro.  

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

So far we've got a broken sled and Jordan Davis is in the best shape of his life.  Today I'm expecting Nakobe Dean is ready for the spotlight and Nolan Smith's affinity for lady frames.  

 

Cam Jurgens has put on 15lbs of pure muscle.  

21 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I think we have our slot guy in Zaccheus. What we desperately need is a backup outside WR in case AJ or DeVonta are out for a bit.

Who who Julio, who who Julio Jones I think makes a lot of sense.  Shouldn't cost a lot... 

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Who who Julio, who who Julio Jones I think makes a lot of sense.  Shouldn't cost a lot... 

Julio Jones is pretty much washed.  Career lows last season in catches, yards, YPC, and catch %.  Brady was basically washed but still completed 66.8% of his throws -- Julio only caught 55.8% and he wasn't exactly the deep threat.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd take the 2017 running game over the 2022 running game, every time and twice on Sunday.  But that's because I'm still in the school that I don't want to use my QB as such a huge part of the running game.  It's playing with fire, IMO.  Far too dangerous.

 

BTW, how can you claim that the 2022 CBs were 'better' than the 2017 CBs, when both got lit up in the Super Bowl?  The 2022 CBs suffered from a weak game plan, and even in the regular season got lit up by QBs that would be slightly better than average.  The scheme didn't highlight the talent, which is why the coaching difference is such a disparity in favor of 2017.  The 2017 defense did more with less in the secondary while the 2022 defense did less with more.

 

I also don't see how the 2017 LBs aren't better than the 2022 LBs.  Kendricks, Bradham and Hicks were far superior to Edwards, White et al.

All legitimate points.  
 

Your thoughts on QB injury risk are broadly agreed with, but that is wishcasting something that wasn’t in evidence in any of the 20 games the 2022 team played.  The 2022 running attack was superior to the 2017 running attack no matter how you cut it.

I agree with your assessment of Gannon’s defensive scheme, but that doesn’t change the direct comparison of the skills and abilities of the actual players.  Do you really believe Slay and Bradberry are worse players than Darby and Mills?  Maddox vs Robinson can be argued as Robinson marginally better than Maddox, but on a three compared to three basis, the 2022 CBs are superior.  Our eyes tell us that and the statistics tell us that.

Your "lit up in the Super Bowl” comment is worth mulling over.  The Eagles players and coaches over and over again said that they play the games one at a time.  You are in effect telling them that is BS, and that they only played one game all season.   I side with the players and the coaches, and disagree with your assessment.  I don’t challenge the logic of your opinion.  I just disagree with it.

Regarding LBs we are in agreement, and I said so yesterday in my response to @Aerolithe_Lion 

 

40 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am not going to lie this gets me sprung like a sun dress on @hputenis even knowing this is likely propaganda from Spadaro.  

It is propaganda from Spads.

 

56 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I think we have our slot guy in Zaccheus. What we desperately need is a backup outside WR in case AJ or DeVonta are out for a bit.

I think Watkins is a decent outside 4th WR.  He struggled last season but had a decent 2nd year.  He gets open downfield and has good speed.  He's not someone I want for a season but over the course of a few games he's OK.  The reality is that no roster has depth at every position.  The Eagles mad a choice to get AJ knowing thatl imited additonal money spent at the position on slot and 4th WR.  I think that was a good choice.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

As evidenced by the way the team leaned on him on the most important drive of the game (the only drive they were trailing)... They go to Ertz on 4th and 1, and convert.  They go to Ertz on 3rd down in the red zone, and convert for a TD to take the lead.    Ertz was their most dangerous individual weapon on that offense, which some might see as a weakness to the offense as a whole but I would say that those who feel that way are just undervaluing his impact.

If Foles had had AJ and Devonta in addition to Ertz, would he have leaned on Ertz?

"Cam Jurgens just pancaked every Eagle's D-Linemen during OTA's!"

 

 

 

I don't mean literally pancaked them, he just game them some pancakes.