On 6/2/2023 at 2:09 PM, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Point is he doesn't have sure hands back there.  I will never understand why some people want to die on the hill of Covey as if he is this player thar shouldn't be criticized or replaced with a better player.  We have one of the worst special teams units in the league and the only special teams player that we have that's worth a damn is the kicker.

Covey was 8th in yards per punt return last year.

17 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Covey was 8th in yards per punt return last year.

 

 

To his credit he played better as the season went on and played his best in the playoffs at punt returner.  But he's just a guy back there.  He's far from the biggest issue on special teams and I wouldn't even necessarily say he's an issue but he could definitely be improved upon.  I wonder if they let Allen do any punt return this preseason when they didn't really last summer.  He was a great as a gunner on special teams though.  I'd be really interested to see them give Allen an honest run at the PR/KR/special teams spot this summer.  

On 6/2/2023 at 4:36 PM, Texas Eagle said:

I can’t even remember one

Edit: Looks like he lost 2 officially. Can’t recall those though for some reason.

he had 2 fumbles, didn't lose any

9 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

To his credit he played better as the season went on and played his best in the playoffs at punt returner.  But he's just a guy back there.  He's far from the biggest issue on special teams and I wouldn't even necessarily say he's an issue but he could definitely be improved upon.  I wonder if they let Allen do any punt return this preseason when they didn't really last summer.  He was a great as a gunner on special teams though.  I'd be really interested to see them give Allen an honest run at the PR/KR/special teams spot this summer.  

second that

10 hours ago, hputenis said:

How the F did I miss this?  Thank you all for the heads up. 

You are spending too much time being face deep in @Godfather’s anus. That’s how 

14 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

To his credit he played better as the season went on and played his best in the playoffs at punt returner.  But he's just a guy back there.  He's far from the biggest issue on special teams and I wouldn't even necessarily say he's an issue but he could definitely be improved upon.  I wonder if they let Allen do any punt return this preseason when they didn't really last summer.  He was a great as a gunner on special teams though.  I'd be really interested to see them give Allen an honest run at the PR/KR/special teams spot this summer.  

I don’t disagree with your Allen thoughts, but realistically what current NFL players would be a PR upgrade from Covey?

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t disagree with your Allen thoughts, but realistically what current NFL players would be a PR upgrade from Covey??(((

One that can return kickoffs AND punts.  

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t disagree with your Allen thoughts, but realistically what current NFL players would be a PR upgrade from Covey??(((

 

I'd imagine there is a high number of players in the NFL that would be a PR upgrade over Covey.  

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One that can return kickoffs AND punts.  

Yes, but who?

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I'd imagine there is a high number of players in the NFL that would be a PR upgrade over Covey.  

Name a few 

Not bad coach, not bad !

 

What I like about Covey is that he has steadily improved. If that continues into his 2nd year, he could become one of the top PRs in the NFL. 

I don't understand, right now, why people are singling him out as an area of concern. Sure, bring in competition --- at the very least, we'll increase depth there should something happen to him. He isn't going to get any taller, but it isn't unrealistic to see him get a bit stronger in the NFL which could really help him. 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

If that continues into his 2nd year, he could become one of the top PRs in the NFL

Bruh

54 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What I like about Covey is that he has steadily improved. If that continues into his 2nd year, he could become one of the top PRs in the NFL. 

I don't understand, right now, why people are singling him out as an area of concern. Sure, bring in competition --- at the very least, we'll increase depth there should something happen to him. He isn't going to get any taller, but it isn't unrealistic to see him get a bit stronger in the NFL which could really help him. 

One reason is that we have two roster spots dedicated to ST returners.  Would be better to have only one roster spot dedicated to that, and more importantly, just one spot dressing on gameday.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One reason is that we have two roster spots dedicated to ST returners.  Would be better to have only one roster spot dedicated to that, and more importantly, just one spot dressing on gameday.

That just depends on how you look at it. If Scott (the KR) is going to be activated anyway, you are only using 1 spot for PR --- which makes that concern moot. Covey may see more work as the KR anyway --- especially if Scott, for some reason, isn't active. We also don't know yet if the Eagles plan to expand Covey's role on offense since he'll be activated as the PR anyway. He is a WR after all. He provides depth as the 5th WR, the backup KR, the backup holder. The argument against Covey is simply based on the presumption that he adds no other value to the team and that another player somehow will. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One reason is that we have two roster spots dedicated to ST returners.  Would be better to have only one roster spot dedicated to that, and more importantly, just one spot dressing on gameday.

No we don't. We have one spot dedicated to the return game. Scott (KR) is activated anyway. And if he weren't activated, then Covey would return kicks. Either way, it's only one spot. Which is pretty standard throughout the league.

- Covey isn’t dangerous.  I don’t care what the numbers say; no one says "Covey is back there, I expect a big play.”  He’s not that fast or that elusive.

- Covey is reliable.  After settling into the role, he’s safe securing punts.

- Being safe but not dangerous makes him exactly the 3rd highest performing ST player on the team after Elliott and Lovato.

- Considering that Scott is not a particularly good KR and that Covey is on the roster solely as a returner, it would be nice if Covey were the best option at both spots.  But apparently he isn’t.

 

Covey isn’t very good.  But the NFL is actively trying to phase the return game out of the sport.  So he’s fine.

17 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

No we don't. We have one spot dedicated to the return game. Scott (KR) is activated anyway. And if he weren't activated, then Covey would return kicks. Either way, it's only one spot. Which is pretty standard throughout the league.

Neither here no there, but for the games in which Swift/Penny/Gainwell are healthy and we aren’t playing the Giants, I think it’s hard to justify activating Scott.

I doubt they’ll have all 3 available for more than a handful of games, but it’s a crowded position when they are all healthy.

36 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

No we don't. We have one spot dedicated to the return game. Scott (KR) is activated anyway. And if he weren't activated, then Covey would return kicks. Either way, it's only one spot. Which is pretty standard throughout the league.

Yes, Scott is extraneous at this point.  He's behind Swift, Penny and Gainwell.  I don't see the need for 4 RBs on any given Sunday, if those 3 are healthy.   So, I'd rather not activate him on game day to return kicks.   As for Covey returning kickoffs... well, call me a skeptic.  He needs to prove he can before I will be content.

Once upon a time, the Eagles had dangerous ST units.   I miss those days.  We lose two games to the Giants if we didn't put more emphasis on ST return games in years gone by.

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

- Covey isn’t dangerous.  I don’t care what the numbers say; no one says "Covey is back there, I expect a big play.”  He’s not that fast or that elusive.

- Covey is reliable.  After settling into the role, he’s safe securing punts.

- Being safe but not dangerous makes him exactly the 3rd highest performing ST player on the team after Elliott and Lovato.

- Considering that Scott is not a particularly good KR and that Covey is on the roster solely as a returner, it would be nice if Covey were the best option at both spots.  But apparently he isn’t.

 

Covey isn’t very good.  But the NFL is actively trying to phase the return game out of the sport.  So he’s fine.

Exactly.  

The NFL is trying to eliminate kickoff returns from the game.  Removing punt returns from the game is almost impossible.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

That just depends on how you look at it. If Scott (the KR) is going to be activated anyway, you are only using 1 spot for PR --- which makes that concern moot. Covey may see more work as the KR anyway --- especially if Scott, for some reason, isn't active. We also don't know yet if the Eagles plan to expand Covey's role on offense since he'll be activated as the PR anyway. He is a WR after all. He provides depth as the 5th WR, the backup KR, the backup holder. The argument against Covey is simply based on the presumption that he adds no other value to the team and that another player somehow will. 

.  Ok.   I'll keep an eye on that this year.  

I’d want to see the number of punt returns over 20 yards that every team had this year.  That’s an impact play.

Getting 8 yards instead of 6 when the whole field is in front of you doesn’t matter.

I’m not saying that as a Covey critic; for all I know, those numbers may be favorable for him.  Punts are about flipping the field…both for the kicking and receiving team.  So I’d want to see how many times a returner has managed to do that in a season.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’d want to see the number of punt returns over 20 yards that every team had this year.  That’s an impact play.

Getting 8 yards instead of 6 when the whole field is in front of you doesn’t matter.

I’m not saying that as a Covey critic; for all I know, those numbers may be favorable for him.  Punts are about flipping the field…both for the kicking and receiving team.  So I’d want to see how many times a returner has managed to do that in a season.

I would agree with that.  The 'average' is just the mean.   Reno Mahe always had a nice 'average' too.  He would consistently get 6-9 yards, and then fall down. It was a truly rare event for him to go beyond that level...

 

Maybe I will spend some time digging into that this week.  It is an interesting question, and one worth addressing.

Denver getting alot of home cooling from the refs tonight