20 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

TB is playing inside leverage which for all we know precludes routes over the middle in this pre-snap determined paint by numbers scheme.

No matter the leverage, 2 WRs should never be side by side in the same area that far downfield.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yet brady was what a 6th rounder??? Hes an outlier, most qbs dont win 6 superbowls.

Aaron rodgers who was for a good stretch the best qb in the nfl has as many rings as foles.

Meanwhile guys like Herbert, desaun watson, and a handful of other high profile qbs didnt even make the playoffs.

Meanwhile you have a guy like eli manning, who won two super bowls, he was a turnover machine but he made big plays in big games behind a great O line a great D line and a punishing running game.

Oddly enough Lurie who wants a high flying passing team won his only super bowl with a punishing running team and a journeyman qb.

Why not replicate that formula over and over?

Because fancy high profile qbs who throw the ball over the yard out butts in the seats and money in pockets of the owners .

Me ill take my chances with a game manager a dominant running game and a good D.

 

That's the thing though. We're a running team but we have Brown, Smith, and Goedert for that high flying passing team that Lurie has always wanted

29 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

The lack of fundamentals and effort is the reason I have turned on Sirianni.  Those are areas where head coaching can have an effect.  Not only did they not improve throughout the season but they actually regressed.

I think the fact that the middle of our D plus Bradbury isn’t nearly good enough has more to do with it than coaching. 
 

not to absolve coaching though

1 minute ago, kiwieagle said:

I guess that’s the point. The league has figured out how to dictate things to Eagles. D’s consistently did that the back half of this year 

Last year the plan to break the blitz was to have Jalen run through it and take advantage of a secondary with their back turned to him. Same plan this season, but honestly a dinged Baker Mayfield looks more nimble, so we are throwing low percentage deep throws outside the numbers rather than bludgeoning the defense with QB draws.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

QB has a lot of responsibility for that as well.  Pre-snap recognition.  The Eagles are paying a boat load of money to this guy; it's all processing and understanding where to attack the defense before the snap.  Hurts is showing me he does not possess that ability.

For the hundredth time, only if the play design allows for it. There's no amount of pre-snap recognition that can bail you out of going empty on 3rd down into the teeth of a blitz, if the routes have receivers going 5 steps down field before they're turning their heads. Sight adjustments need to be part of the play call, but they shouldn't be relied on as a crutch. Look at the Bills clips from a few posts above, and you'll see Allen isn't even alerting Diggs there, it's litearlly part of the play called in the huddle. Orlovsky, O'Sullivan, Aikman, Baldinger, they're all saying the same thing if you take the time to listen.

25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Everyone knows the best way to beat the blitz on obvious passing downs is to go empty with not a single receiver turning his head before his fifth step. 

 

This is my fault I was going to send Siri and BJ copies of football 101 for dummies but my amazon account expired and I Didnt want to pay for shipping...

My bad guys, sorry i dropped the ball on that...

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Hurts audibled into that mess. They really no had plan for the blitz and couldn't come up with something midgame either

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's the thing though. We're a running team but we have Brown, Smith, and Goedert for that high flying passing team that Lurie has always wanted

Those 3 could so much better with a punishing running game. It would take pressure off them and allow then to get favorable matchups on play action, instead Siri is counting on the Defense to account for hurts as the power back and when they didnt he had no answers.

Not to mention when one builds ones offense around getting the ball to just 3 guys when one of those go down it mucks it all up.

Eagles have a great offense for madden with a tecmo bowl playbook but in real life its too predictable especially when the one variable( hurts as a runner) cant run...☹️

This was the official breaking point of the game. It's amazing it was a one score game this last into the third because it sure didn't feel like it. After this though, everyone quit. All time bad play and decision making, and on a 4 man rush. Curious to see the All 22 on this because it looks like Swift is wide open for the check down.

41 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Fire Nick. Interview Johnson for the HC gig. Rooney Rule box checked and try and make it look like he has multiple suitors. Win all around.

I.... I love this.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Here they at least motioned out of empty, but the 4 remaining routes are still awful, even setting aside the potential miscommunication on the alert to Smitty. Gainwell might've been able to buy Hurts an extra second if he steps acros to pick up the outside rusher but it wouldn't have mattered in the slightest bit.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts audibled into that mess. They really no had plan for the blitz and couldn't come up with something midgame either

Davonta said that he and Goedert saw different things with the check.   Seems like the entire offense is just out of sync... aka, bad coaching.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This was the official breaking point of the game. It's amazing it was a one score game this last into the third because it sure didn't feel like it. After this though, everyone quit. All time bad play and decision making, and on a 4 man rush. Curious to see the All 22 on this because it looks like Swift is wide open for the check down.

It was a very wentz like play to try and extend it more instead of taking what was there and leading to a negative play  

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts audibled into that mess. They really no had plan for the blitz and couldn't come up with something midgame either

That's the check the coaches gave him against the blitz. It's insane.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This was the official breaking point of the game. It's amazing it was a one score game this last into the third because it sure didn't feel like it. After this though, everyone quit. All time bad play and decision making, and on a 4 man rush. Curious to see the All 22 on this because it looks like Swift is wide open for the check down.

And this a play two plays after Gainwell decided to turn a run for no gain into a 6 yard loss... into the shadow of the end zone.   These guys are just not SMART football players.   In the shadow of the goalline, there are two things you can't do... 1 - ball insecurity.   2 - go backwards.   You must maintain space to be able to punt the ball away, because a punt isn't the worst outcome from that spot on the field, especially in a 1 possession game.  Both Gainwell AND Hurts committed the cardinal sin on this series... giving ground on plays that clearly were going no where.  Just live to play another down.    No football IQ from either one.

I'm still just flat out puzzled by the fact they don't run crossing routes and why in god's name they didn't put Covey in the slot instead of Quez.  I mean let's see, Covey has to field punts with people buzzing all around him.....you'd think, gee...maybe we should try him in the slot to change things up.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This was the official breaking point of the game. It's amazing it was a one score game this last into the third because it sure didn't feel like it. After this though, everyone quit. All time bad play and decision making, and on a 4 man rush. Curious to see the All 22 on this because it looks like Swift is wide open for the check down.

Don't need to see the all-22 to know that this one is all on Hurts. Gotta get rid of the ball once he breaks the pocket. If there's no space to throw someone open to, then sail it out of bounds and give your defense the chance to be the hero (I've got jokes, I know, but still.)

Desai was disappointing, but his games weren’t THIS bad. I wonder if we would have had a shot in this, the Arizona, and the NYG games if we didn’t make the switch

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts audibled into that mess. They really no had plan for the blitz and couldn't come up with something midgame either

He may have audibled into that mess but what was the play he audibled out of? If i had to guess qb draw or inside zone...

The bucs left the middle of the field wide open all game, one can say why didnt hurts throw it there???

Because there were no routes being run there 

Thats on the coaches all year against pressure the eagles answer has been all go chuck it up or all look like a go break off to the all curl 

Its bad design, bad scheme, bad coaching and hurts us doing exactly what hes been coached to do on that play.

For all the talk about the eagles analytics one would think the analytics show that a 5 yard pass over the middle on 3and 2 against the blitz has a higher probability of success than a 4 go route hail marry...

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Desai was disappointing, but his games weren’t THIS bad. I wonder if we would have had a shot in this, the Arizona, and the NYG games if we didn’t make the switch

Not with the offense only managing 9 pts. There's not a DC in the league that can overcome that.

Who are you prioritizing in FA?  Not sexy but I'd like to make a run at Robert Hunt at RG.  He can also play RT very well in case anything happens to Lane.  I'm not sure I'm sold on Steen.  That puts a big mauler next to Lane and solidifies the line imo.

41 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Hurts we're stuck with him and he's getting paid 250M so we need to make it work. I know there are coaches that can help adapt to him, and even thrive with him. He deserves 2 years with another staff before we look for an out.

The post was about the play design, not Hurts for once. There are no levels to the plays and on this play they bunched the targets into the same areas which allows the defense to be dense in that area and leads to more possibilities of interceptions or incompletions.

BG for GM 

 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It was a very wentz like play to try and extend it more instead of taking what was there and leading to a negative play  

It was just all around bad that series. This only happened because Gainwell decided to run 10 yards backwards like he's Tyreek or something.