Mike030270 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Team talent got to 10-1 despite the coaches. That's got to attract a HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Don't know, don't care. In an ideal world, both would be shown the door. But Lurie has lost his way and is no longer one of the better owners in the league. I have lost all faith in him to make the proper decisions when needed. I'm thankful that they put in place the pieces to make that run last season, but they lack the inability to understand why it worked, so it's evident the were just throwing ish against the wall to see what sticks, rather than the results of a deliberate, methodological approach to the problem. Agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliftoma Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, manz2821 said: The best was Ray Lewis reacting to eagles tackling on the manning cast. I thought he was going to blow a gasket. The lack of fundamentals and effort is the reason I have turned on Sirianni. Those are areas where head coaching can have an effect. Not only did they not improve throughout the season but they actually regressed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikas83 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: Even though I think he's a Rooney Rule candidate for these head coaching jobs, Brian Johnson interviewing for three head coaching jobs throws an interesting variable into Lurie's decision making. What does firing the entire coaching staff do to BJ's candidacy for those jobs? Firing Sirianni leaves the coordinators without jobs almost by default (although Stoutland has been retained through different coaching regimes, it's uncommon). Fire Nick. Interview Johnson for the HC gig. Rooney Rule box checked and try and make it look like he has multiple suitors. Win all around. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we_gotta_believe Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said: Aikman was like have they ever heard of a blitz pickup or a slant route 🤷♂️ Everyone knows the best way to beat the blitz on obvious passing downs is to go empty with not a single receiver turning his head before his fifth step. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Dline was a huge let down. Used to be a strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BDawk_ASamuel Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Don't know, don't care. In an ideal world, both would be shown the door. But Lurie has lost his way and is no longer one of the better owners in the league. I have lost all faith in him to make the proper decisions when needed. I'm thankful that they put in place the pieces to make that run last season, but they lack the ability to understand why it worked, so it's evident they were just throwing ish against the wall to see what sticks, rather than the results of a deliberate, methodological approach to the problem. People forget that their plan A was Russell Wilson and Allen Robinson. And by chance they fell into Hurts and AJ and a Super Bowl appearance. I don’t really know what their methodology is. They either have incredible offseason signings/drafts or it’s a total dumpster fire. There is nothing in between and it prevents them from any sort of stability. To get to the Super Bowl after the 2020 season in a two year span was an incredible turn around and they deserve all the credit in the world for that. And to start off 10-1 this year and finish 1-6 is just as incredible for the opposite reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Eagle Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, vikas83 said: Regardless of what anyone thinks of Hurts we're stuck with him and he's getting paid 250M so we need to make it work. I know there are coaches that can help adapt to him, and even thrive with him. He deserves 2 years with another staff before we look for an out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Everyone knows the best way to beat the blitz on obvious passing downs is to go empty with not a single receiver turning his head before his fifth step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting4Someday Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: TB is playing inside leverage which for all we know precludes routes over the middle in this pre-snap determined paint by numbers scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, Texas Eagle said: Regardless of what anyone thinks of Hurts we're stuck with him and he's getting paid 250M so we need to make it work. I know there are coaches that can help adapt to him, and even thrive with him. He deserves 2 years with another staff before we look for an out. We've also seen his high which was MVP. Getting back to that will be the goal Hopefully Lurie and Howie learned from the previous fiasco when the QB regressed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wussbasket Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 This team obviously had the talent, they had 6 wins against playoff teams. Something happened in the locker room and it all fell apart. The trust was lost and confidence was never restored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagrand Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Team talent got to 10-1 despite the coaches. That's got to attract a HC This is the problem I have. You can't just say a 26-5 stretch between 2022 and 2023 is all because of the players, and a 1-6 stretch to finish this season is all because of the coaches. The leaders on this team need to be accountable. It starts with Hurts and AJ Brown. Hurts was nowhere near as good as last season, with the same playbook. AJ Brown quit -- literally quit -- a week before the end of the year. Howie made bad FA decisions and brought in guys who played like scrubs -- Bradberry, Morrow, Byard, Julio, Edmunds, Penny, etc. -- Nick and BJ couldn't get the offense firing during the second half of the season, but the players were awful. Leave the coaching aside -- the tackling was abysmal in the secondary -- those two long TDs the Bucs scored last night had nothing to do with coaching. Lots of really tough personnel decisions to be made this offseason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kiwieagle Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: That was an awfully dumb call on 3rd and 2. Put some man beaters on there. The league just caught up to the Eagles. Blitz and don’t let deep routes develop for the Eagles shot plays. Not a single adjustment by the Eagles. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitbased Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Lest we forget that this was also on 3rd and 2/3 😂 Goedert or Smitty should be a free first down in those situations with competent coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting4Someday Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, bitbased said: Lest we forget that this was also on 3rd and 2/3 😂 Goedert or Smitty should be a free first down in those situations with competent coaching. This might have been the one where the signals from Hurts got messed up - as Goedert and Smitty shouldn’t be running to the same area of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: This is the problem I have. You can't just say a 26-5 stretch between 2022 and 2023 is all because of the players, and a 1-6 stretch to finish this season is all because of the coaches. The leaders on this team need to be accountable. It starts with Hurts and AJ Brown. Hurts was nowhere near as good as last season, with the same playbook. AJ Brown quit -- literally quit -- a week before the end of the year. Howie made bad FA decisions and brought in guys who played like scrubs -- Bradberry, Morrow, Byard, Julio, Edmunds, Penny, etc. -- Nick and BJ couldn't get the offense firing during the second half of the season, but the players were awful. Leave the coaching aside -- the tackling was abysmal in the secondary -- those two long TDs the Bucs scored last night had nothing to do with coaching. Lots of really tough personnel decisions to be made this offseason. Is a complete breakdown... across the board. But, you can't fire all 53... so you have to do what you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 The good news: *We are playing possum and holding back for the playoffs. We have a huge section of the playbook that will be unleashed on those stupid teams. Rope a dope all day baby. *Penny has fresh legs. We didn't run him much during the season so he could wear out opposing teams when we run the ball 30+ times a game during the playoffs *The team has their eyes set on the playoffs after clinching and are just going through the motions until we get there. *The Dallas loss to Green Bay has lit a fire under this team and reinvigorated them. *It's a road game which is great for this team because the fans make too much noise during offense or make mean boo sounds when they don't play a game good. It's a home field DISadvantage. *We are 0-0. New season. *Media makes up negative stuff for no reason at all. The locker room and front office is fine and peachy. Absolutely no problems behind doors. Stupid media, we see through your lies. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we_gotta_believe Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: Hurts was nowhere near as good as last season, with the same playbook. Look at the playcalling on 3rd down last year vs this year. Hurts clearly bears some blame for the regression, but to say "it's the same playbook" implies there's little blame to be laid at the feet of the guys on the sidelines who are resposible for self-scouting, breaking our own tendencies, play designs with route combos to beat expected coverages, gameplanning to beat defensive tendencies from that week's opponent, and then the actual playcalling on gamedays. A fat playbook don't mean ish if you can't understand situationally which options give you the highest probability of success. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwieagle Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said: TB is playing inside leverage which for all we know precludes routes over the middle in this pre-snap determined paint by numbers scheme. I guess that’s the point. The league has figured out how to dictate things to Eagles. D’s consistently did that the back half of this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: The good news: *We are playing possum and holding back for the playoffs. We have a huge section of the playbook that will be unleashed on those stupid teams. Rope a dope all day baby. *Penny has fresh legs. We didn't run him much during the season so he could wear out opposing teams when we run the ball 30+ times a game during the playoffs *The team has their eyes set on the playoffs after clinching and are just going through the motions until we get there. *The Dallas loss to Green Bay has lit a fire under this team and reinvigorated them. *It's a road game which is great for this team because the fans make too much noise during offense or make mean boo sounds when they don't play a game good. It's a home field DISadvantage. *We are 0-0. New season. *Media makes up negative stuff for no reason at all. The locker room and front office is fine and peachy. Absolutely no problems behind doors. Stupid media, we see through your lies. God fans have been delusional 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said: Brady dominated the NFL for 20 years and the Patriots collapsed when he left. The Chiefs have dominated the AFC West every year since Mahomes got there. The Bengals became relevant when Burrow got there. The Bills became relevant when Allen got there. Having a franchise QB doesn't guarantee anything, but you need one in today's NFL, you just do. If you don't have one, you're behind the 8 ball. Doesn't mean you can't build a champion, but it's much much harder without one. Yet brady was what a 6th rounder??? Hes an outlier, most qbs dont win 6 superbowls. Aaron rodgers who was for a good stretch the best qb in the nfl has as many rings as foles. Meanwhile guys like Herbert, desaun watson, and a handful of other high profile qbs didnt even make the playoffs. Meanwhile you have a guy like eli manning, who won two super bowls, he was a turnover machine but he made big plays in big games behind a great O line a great D line and a punishing running game. Oddly enough Lurie who wants a high flying passing team won his only super bowl with a punishing running team and a journeyman qb. Why not replicate that formula over and over? Because fancy high profile qbs who throw the ball over the yard out butts in the seats and money in pockets of the owners . Me ill take my chances with a game manager a dominant running game and a good D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagrand Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Look at the playcalling on 3rd down last year vs this year. Hurts clearly bears some blame for the regression, but to say "it's the same playbook" implies there's little blame to be laid at the feet of the guys on the sidelines who are resposible for self-scouting, breaking our own tendencies, play designs with route combos to beat expected coverages, gameplanning to beat defensive tendencies from that week's opponent, and then the actual playcalling on gamedays. A fat playbook don't mean ish if you can't understand situationally which options give you the highest probability of success. QB has a lot of responsibility for that as well. Pre-snap recognition. The Eagles are paying a boat load of money to this guy; it's all processing and understanding where to attack the defense before the snap. Hurts is showing me he does not possess that ability. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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