9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So we're on the cusp of the big picture. Thanks for admitting that finally. There is no more bigger picture after the SB. Next year you re load and try again. As long as Bark is here with the crew we have we will be in the window. 9 games or 16 Just make the playoffs,that is the first goal

Next year and years to come is a whole other bigger picture than I’m referring to. I’ve been referring to postseason success over week one success. Feel like I’ve beat this nail in so very clearly. Over and over and over….

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So we're on the cusp of the big picture. Thanks for admitting that finally. There is no more bigger picture after the SB. Next year you re load and try again. As long as Bark is here with the crew we have we will be in the window. 9 games or 16 Just make the playoffs,that is the first goal

Admitting it? It’s all I’ve been talking about. Now it’s here. THIS IS IT! This isn’t week one football.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So have we done everything possible to get best placed to achieve these goals? That part there is still plenty of room for debate. The short sighted don’t lose approach absolutely has us in this position of playing at the Linc all the way to New Orleans. Plenty of benefits and things to get behind there. I wasn’t expecting us to get that. So maybe that was my own short sighted thinking somewhat. But it still comes down to are we best prepared and optimized to accomplish our goals at this point? There are still questions looming on this front I’m afraid. I’ve been questioning if Siri allowed our passing O to develop enough for what we’ll need. Just can’t be a doubt he stunted its growth some here. Pack and Rams exposed us some on this front. But…we prevailed. 

Apparently we have done more right than 29 other teams because we are here and they aren't. Some wins were ugly. I have stated as much. Hurts could play smarter than he does, that doesn't mean I hate him LOL. He is playing within his limitations. he can make plays that WOW me, then make bonehead plays I can't fathom. If he gets rid of the latter, we will be a better team. But can he lose those bad traits? We won every game since we pulled him back. Moore understood Hurts could not fully implement his offense to the max. You should credit the staff for doing that because it got us to where we are. I' also will credit Hurts for staying cool even when he messes up. it's not always him, but some plays leave me SMH as to why after 6 years, he still make the same mistakes. I'm sure he)Hurts) is in the running for MVP, but I really hope Bark wins it because he is why we are here. Bark or Allen top my list. I assume Buff can beat KC if the refs are fair. I'm seeing us vs Buffalo in the SB

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Believe that would be a point in my favor actually. I was in favor of suffering through more bumps in the road that go along with the learning curve for our O.

So you called it again? it's all about you?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m the one that was always in favor of paying the RB unlike you, No Mas and previously Rosie. I just pointed out how his decisions followed along with his contract bonuses. Pretty simple. He had a 2K bonus, bonus for NFC Champ win,SB win….no all time rusher bonus. Just is what it is…

Once again you forget what I said,I said I didn't want to OVERPAY a RB. Bark is worth every penny we paid unlike you who wanted to pay Sanders

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Admitting it? It’s all I’ve been talking about. Now it’s here. THIS IS IT! This isn’t week one football.

Talking about the big picture now is moronic, We're here because we are good and we earned it. There is no big picture. That is all moot now. 2 games to play big picture be damned. We win or lose. Next years team and schedule will all be different. There is no big picture until after the SB is over. The big picture begins in week 1 every single year

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you called it again? it's all about you?

You just too consistently skip right past any actual points. Ugly….could easily be seen as suffering with some turnovers while learning and growing developing our O’s potential. Two turnovers week 6 but if they came with valuable growth lessons? That’s more where I’m at. To reach this squads ceiling …or as close as possible. You know…like throwing an interception because the passing blocking assignments weren’t ready for the little wrinkle the D brought. Or interception because the receiver and QB weren’t on the same page yet reading the D. I’m not looking for turnovers…or risking losing regular season games. Wanted to get our passing O further than it is. I still think we could have won and beat, some of these slack teams especially, while growing and developing at a much more accelerated pace.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again you forget what I said,I said I didn't want to OVERPAY a RB. Bark is worth every penny we paid unlike you who wanted to pay Sanders

Nope you said its  all Oline. Committee with Gainwell and whomever…clearly stated stupid to pay RB. You and No Mas. You definitely said this repeatedly.

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again you forget what I said,I said I didn't want to OVERPAY a RB. Bark is worth every penny we paid unlike you who wanted to pay Sanders

Wasn’t just overpay…you didn’t want to pay…period.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Talking about the big picture now is moronic, We're here because we are good and we earned it. There is no big picture. That is all moot now. 2 games to play big picture be damned. We win or lose. Next years team and schedule will all be different. There is no big picture until after the SB is over. The big picture begins in week 1 every single year

This is the end of that big picture…this is what you should be looking at. It’s about how we are now. What we bring to the table. As much as many of my posts are slighted negatively about it…..plenty of positive occurred. So let’s see just what we’ve got….and who we are. I’m not going to be pleased or accepting of a loss at home to Washington. Telling you that…right here and now.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

This is the end of that big picture…this is what you should be looking at. It’s about how we are now. What we bring to the table. As much as many of my posts are slighted negatively about it…..plenty of positive occurred. So let’s see just what we’ve got….and who we are. I’m not going to be pleased or accepting of a loss at home to Washington. Telling you that…right here and now.

This is what you should be looking at in TC. This is the culmination of our 2024 season. That big picture!

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Believe that would be a point in my favor actually. I was in favor of suffering through more bumps in the road that go along with the learning curve for our O.

Why on earth should we lose games(aka bumps in whatever road) when everyones JOB is to win? Why should we fix what isn't broken? I don't get your thinking at all. Everyone is paid to win starting week 1. The experiments are what camp and pre season are for. Once the season starts the object is to win the game in front of you. Moore experimented with Hurts through 5 and 1/2 games. He saw what he wanted could not be implemented with the QB we have. Hurts is our QB. There is no need to experiment further. He is what he is and we make it work and we are here with 2 games left. If Moore goes away, Hurts is still our QB and his replacement will know Hurts is what he is and he has to work within those limitations

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Talking about the big picture now is moronic, We're here because we are good and we earned it. There is no big picture. That is all moot now. 2 games to play big picture be damned. We win or lose. Next years team and schedule will all be different. There is no big picture until after the SB is over. The big picture begins in week 1 every single year

It’s not moronic at all. It’s exactly the point and the time. This is exactly it!

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why on earth should we lose games(aka bumps in whatever road) when everyones JOB is to win? Why should we fix what isn't broken? I don't get your thinking at all. Everyone is paid to win starting week 1. The experiments are what camp and pre season are for. Once the season starts the object is to win the game in front of you. Moore experimented with Hurts through 5 and 1/2 games. He saw what he wanted could not be implemented with the QB we have. Hurts is our QB. There is no need to experiment further. He is what he is and we make it work and we are here with 2 games left. If Moore goes away, Hurts is still our QB and his replacement will know Hurts is what he is and he has to work within those limitations

So preseason is where Hurts and all our starters worked out everything in this brand new O? Very interesting take. Please explain how this was accomplished according to you. I’m fascinated.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Two turnovers week 6 but if they came with valuable growth lessons

Hurts should know this by now? You act like he is  green rookie. There is no excuse for a 6th year QB to lead the league in picks with the players we have

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s not moronic at all. It’s exactly the point and the time. This is exactly it!

The time for the big picture has passed. That ended when the playoffs began. The big picture was had and we are continuing on. There is no big picture, it's about execution

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope you said its  all Oline. Committee with Gainwell and whomever…clearly stated stupid to pay RB. You and No Mas. You definitely said this repeatedly.

Lie,not what I said. I said I didn't want to OVERPAY and yes O line matters even to a mediocre RB. Bark has 2000 yards because with his talent coupled with our O line he made it happen. If we didn't get Bark and had to settle for a committee, then yep, it's the O line that makes the RB and there would be no reason to OVERPAY any other RB(maybe Derrick Henry). You continously leave out the OVERYPAY part

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lie,not what I said. I said I didn't want to OVERPAY and yes O line matters even to a mediocre RB. Bark has 2000 yards because with his talent coupled with our O line he made it happen. If we didn't get Bark and had to settle for a committee, then yep, it's the O line that makes the RB and there would be no reason to OVERPAY any other RB(maybe Derrick Henry). You continously leave out the OVERYPAY part

So if you're going to misquote me at least do it correctly. if Bark wasn't here WHO would you overpay?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why on earth should we lose games(aka bumps in whatever road) when everyone’s JOB is to win? Why should we fix what isn't broken? I don't get your thinking at all. Everyone is paid to win starting week 1. The experiments are what camp and pre season are for. Once the season starts the object is to win the game in front of you. Moore experimented with Hurts through 5 and 1/2 games. He saw what he wanted could not be implemented with the QB we have. Hurts is our QB. There is no need to experiment further. He is what he is and we make it work and we are here with 2 games left. If Moore goes away, Hurts is still our QB and his replacement will know Hurts is what he is and he has to work within those limitations

Hurts is 26 years old. He’s still learning and growing big time. Had a different coordinator every year of college and the pros. This is his first season being in full control of several things concerning running the O. I just don’t see things like you. I believe he’s been held back here. Not treated like the franchise QB like of he was taken pick number one overall. Instead of just keep skipping ….most make sure to get these tasks done with developing their franchise QB. 
 

 Heck I’ve seen nothing but massive learning growth from most of these QBs that play in their thirties. Much wiser QBs. How did you ever conclude that Hurts hit his ceiling right after his 26th BDay? How did you not see that he’s been dealing with Siri as the HC making these decisions all along? You are so heck bent winning week one of 2022….you are kissing how you still are complaining about what wasn’t being accomplished by skipping over it way back then.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So preseason is where Hurts and all our starters worked out everything in this brand new O? Very interesting take. Please explain how this was accomplished according to you. I’m fascinated.

Most of it,sure. We saw the real Moore offense in week 1 vs GB. Then we saw Hurts totally blow that. Then Moore pulled it all back. Hurts can't do it . At least not the way Moore wants it to be. We still have motion now and we see Hurts under center now. Those things remained. It was tinkered with until we got it right ion week 6,but the offense was in place IMO

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s still learning and growing big time

No he's not. This is the best Hurts we will see and at this time that is good enough with the stellar supporting cast we gave him

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

After a long theoretical scenario where our O completely launched and flourished. I mentioned in that that case…there is a scenario I could picture of wanting to promote the O mind instead of losing him. A completely outside the box idea most couldn’t even fathom. But yeah…if the OC I wasn’t that high on showed himself blockbuster driving force behind our O? I’d really consider promoting him instead of losing him to become HC elsewhere. Siri just doesn’t have the X and Os knowledge. 
 

 

Really the easy obvious answer is I didn’t want Siri or Moore.

" THE MASTER PLAN!"

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts is 26 years old. He’s still learning and growing big time. Had a different coordinator every year of college and the pros. This is his first season being in full control of several things concerning running the O. I just don’t see things like you. I believe he’s been held back here. Not treated like the franchise QB like of he was taken pick number one overall. Instead of just keep skipping ….most make sure to get these tasks done with developing their franchise QB. 
 

 Heck I’ve seen nothing but massive learning growth from most of these QBs that play in their thirties. Much wiser QBs. How did you ever conclude that Hurts hit his ceiling right after his 26th BDay? How did you not see that he’s been dealing with Siri as the HC making these decisions all along? You are so heck bent winning week one of 2022….you are kissing how you still are complaining about what wasn’t being accomplished by skipping over it way back then.

These developing your franchise QB skills never just disappear by skipping and bypassing for short term gains. No matter what..,always had to happen. Wasn’t a perfect pairing on that front with Siri(not a teacher) and Hurts(not a 33 years old polished grizzled pro for the first time HC). Demeanor wise it was great fit for Siri. Never really seen much of the immature emotional heart on sleeve HC lead by the very mature even keeled kid at QB.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Had a different coordinator every year of college and the pros

And? After college and 6 years in the pros he still runs backwards and takes the sacks anyway? What did he learn in 10 years as a QB????? he needs to be retaught every year not to do this? How about throwing balls away? has he learned this YET??? How long does that take?

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts should know this by now? You act like he is  green rookie. There is no excuse for a 6th year QB to lead the league in picks with the players we have

 

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts should know this by now? You act like he is  green rookie. There is no excuse for a 6th year QB to lead the league in picks with the players we have

Let’s work on your math first. Fifth year. Came into the league young and unpolished. I admit all this. This is where I’m not sure how you aren’t looking at Siri since he’s been the HC the whole time Hurts has started….only fourth season there. Who was making all the team decisions?