28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like we were the only team vying for them

I don’t think we were vying for anything better at LB

44 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say he’s positioning himself to grab one or two of these players that come available…is the point.

Yeah,Howie likes cheap vets

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think we were vying for anything better at LB

Howie gets a price in his head,if it goes over,someone else will pay. Also maybe they didn't want to play in Philly? Not everyone is dying to play here

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie gets a price in his head,if it goes over,someone else will pay. Also maybe they didn't want to play in Philly? Not everyone is dying to play here

Yeah I just think Rosie’s big splash move was for the number two off ball LB

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say he’s positioning himself to grab one or two of these players that come available…is the point.

Ohh... so we aren't losing anyone because of Howie messing up contracts?  

Why are other teams having to loss players? 

53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Regressions I saw from Hurts. 1) Back to the 1 read and panic 2) run for 2 yards and fall down or skip like my Grand daughter out of bounds. Not try to get those valuable 5-8,9,10 more yards he did before after signing for the BIG money 3) Back to lack of vision. On more than 1 occasion receivers were waving their arms in the air and he didn't see them,or he was running out of bounds after his 1 yard gain. Those are free big plays lost 4) Ball hogged at the GL. R. arely using a RB there or a counter play to a TE or WR 5) regressed in reading defenses when he should have improved. 6) PPG dropped by 4 PPG over 2022 when he actually had better offensive(or the same) weapons than previous year Now, I hope he goes back to progressing this year. Sure there were some flukes,but as a NOW highly paid NFL QB we deserve better and he needs to show why we paid him

1.   In 2022, when did you see Hurts have to scan the field and make all these multiple complicated reads?  There was no " back to doing anything " he never did the progression in the first place is my point....go find film to prove me wrong.  

2.  Yes...he didn't RUN as good...that's the anything of a basic QB skill. 

3.  When was his vision so great that he didn't miss open WRs?   You don't notice this when the 1st read is either wide open or he throws a successful jump ball...which was 2022.

4.  Ball hogging...it's the coach calling the tush push.  You want him to change that play ??? 

5. No regression in reading defenses because he never had to do that in 2022.

6. Yes PPG dropped...as I said, there was regression in results, mainly due to the flukes of guys being wide open or catching a bunch if jump balls not happening like in 2022.

Now...from what tou told me, you didn't get to watch much in 2022... you were watching online as the football advanced down the field.   So you saw results and automatically perceived it as Hurts making huge strides in these skills.

He didn't, that's my point.   

 

Hurts was an elite runner...but not last year.  That's the difference. Still lacks basic QB skills.  No " regression " rather lack of progression that was masked by his running, weak opponents,  phenomenal plays made by WRs.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah I just think Rosie’s big splash move was for the number two off ball LB

Bark was the splash move and CJG

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

In 2022, when did you see Hurts have to scan the field and make all these multiple complicated reads?  There was no " back to doing anything " he never did the progression in the first place is my point....go find film to prove me wrong.  

He let the ball fly,not as tentative or non committal. I'm sure we can both find film to prove our points.I'm talking the collective body of work

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

2.  Yes...he didn't RUN as good...that's the anything of a basic QB skill. 

It's a skill,what do you mean? Mahomes does it all the time

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

3.  When was his vision so great that he didn't miss open WRs?   You don't notice this when the 1st read is either wide open or he throws a successful jump ball...which was 2022

His vision has always been pretty bad because he relies on the run. NFL QB's require more than college and he needs to get to the NFL level

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

4.  Ball hogging...it's the coach calling the tush push.  You want him to change that play ??? 

We ran the RPO(what do you think the O stands for?) The play has OPTIONS and he always chooses to HOG THE BALL

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

5. No regression in reading defenses because he never had to do that in 2022.

He was making progress in 2022,that all vaporized. That is a regression

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

6. Yes PPG dropped...as I said, there was regression in results, mainly due to the flukes of guys being wide open or catching a bunch if jump balls not happening like in 2022.

Well,if we are counting on jump balls,then he isn't the QB we should have. WR's should not have to do that every play. it' exposes THEM and the 50/50 balls can be picked or the defender gets a PBU. Not a good formula

40 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

rather lack of progression

Well we disagree because in 2022 he was actually getting better,more accurate and less afraid to let the ball go. 2023 he kept holding it,many times WAY too long. He lacked confidence releasing the ball(thus the ball hog comment) or his field vision is so bad he can't find some very good receivers. Either way he needs to fix that or we need to find another QB because these guys will get dejected running around every play with no stat line. I agree it's easy to beat up on bad teams,but look at the demolition in TB. No pee wee QB takes an EZ sack trying to be a hero. The other 21 guys work hard and when they see bonehead plays like that,they quit busting A because it doesn't matter. Dropping the ball in the SB-ok hey ish happens with all the pressure on you. not that I like it,but he is human after all. The EZ sack was just inexcusable for an NFL QB

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah I just think Rosie’s big splash move was for the number two off ball LB

Well,I hope he takes some DB's this draft. It's  great class and there are usable ones into round 4 even,and as you suspect,I suppose we see who shakes loose after the draft. They won't be shut down guys,but they could be better than what we have. We DO need linemen and Bowers will probably be out of reach unless we offer a 2 and something else for him and I doubt Howie would spend that draft capital. he IS hard to pass up though and alot of teams will be working offers to get him. There are other good TE's and we probably take one somewhere. if Bowers falls to 18(cincy) then I think we would have a shot,although it would be hard for Cincy to pass on him if he even lasts that long.Powers-Johnson probably also would require some draft capital to move for,thus I believe it will be an edge with our first pick. We could make a slight move up for the guy we want,or drift back a little and still get a good one.22 to 26-28 would still yield a nice player and extra picks

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ohh... so we aren't losing anyone because of Howie messing up contracts?  

Why are other teams having to loss players? 

We lost plenty of our fair share of players the year before. Fletch and the top paid C retired. Salary cap went up a record amount this season.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Bark was the splash move and CJG

Neither plays LB you realize obviously

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He was making progress in 2022,that all vaporized. That is a regression

The coaches and playcalling is what regressed

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well we disagree because in 2022 he was actually getting better,more accurate and less afraid to let the ball go. 2023 he kept holding it,many times WAY too long. He lacked confidence releasing the ball(thus the ball hog comment) or his field vision is so bad he can't find some very good receivers. Either way he needs to fix that or we need to find another QB because these guys will get dejected running around every play with no stat line. I agree it's easy to beat up on bad teams,but look at the demolition in TB. No pee wee QB takes an EZ sack trying to be a hero. The other 21 guys work hard and when they see bonehead plays like that,they quit busting A because it doesn't matter. Dropping the ball in the SB-ok hey ish happens with all the pressure on you. not that I like it,but he is human after all. The EZ sack was just inexcusable for an NFL QB

What happened was the WR routes took too long to develop very consistently. Playcalling was always home run big play seeking.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well,I hope he takes some DB's this draft. It's  great class and there are usable ones into round 4 even,and as you suspect,I suppose we see who shakes loose after the draft. They won't be shut down guys,but they could be better than what we have. We DO need linemen and Bowers will probably be out of reach unless we offer a 2 and something else for him and I doubt Howie would spend that draft capital. he IS hard to pass up though and alot of teams will be working offers to get him. There are other good TE's and we probably take one somewhere. if Bowers falls to 18(cincy) then I think we would have a shot,although it would be hard for Cincy to pass on him if he even lasts that long.Powers-Johnson probably also would require some draft capital to move for,thus I believe it will be an edge with our first pick. We could make a slight move up for the guy we want,or drift back a little and still get a good one.22 to 26-28 would still yield a nice player and extra picks

Not much hope a LB will be any part of the first two days of the draft.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Neither plays LB you realize obviously

How many splash moves do you expect annually? 

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The coaches and playcalling is what regressed

So did the execution

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many splash moves do you expect annually? 

Just desired the one quality LB

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What happened was the WR routes took too long to develop very consistently. Playcalling was always home run big play seeking.

There was no change at WR,not buying that