1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This guy was universally considered the best player on this draft class. Elite pass rusher. Went to our division rival. You guys aren’t considering this near enough. It’s a big problem!

What solution to that do you propose? Restructure the whole NFL Draft hierarchy?

Bottomline you are tilting at windmills, and need a little serenity in your prayers.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I have laid out an extension track record of my opinions for decades here. But can just point to last season where I tried to let everybody know Jayden Daniels was a huge problem…immediately from when the Commanders drafted him. Everybody just shrugged shoulders…never even considered the Commanders as a possible threat. They beat us….and gave us a run all the way in the NFC Championship game.

Giants aren’t looking to make any run to the SB. But them possessing such an elite pass rusher can damage our season in a heartbeat.

You are describing the very essence of why the game is a game. It has variables and uncertainties. It is a roller coaster ride intended to trill and surprise everyone who rides it.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I wish for nothing but to agree with you. But I’m breaking things down much more specifically at our two year contending window laid out right in front of us. Lane and Saquan have two more years in them. Several other factors….but those two players are key enough to stay real focused on being all about winning now.

You are overthinking what is at its heart a game … and in the process taking the fun and uncertainty and surprise out of the game. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They do it because of how Lurie enables this whole feature for our team. Only way this can be accomplished is Lurie putting up all this up front money. Not just signing bonus money…but owners have to bank all guaranteed money.

All true. How/why would you have them do it differently?

On 5/3/2025 at 2:19 PM, joemas6 said:

Right...we absolutely differ when it comes to money

You want to overpay everyone. But for some reason you don't want to extend Cam ...a pro bowl player... entering year 4... to where his contract is peanuts to the players at his position.

We absolutely differ.

Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you overpay players. When has that won any organization a title in the cap era?

But you still don't see the value in locking up your young core early at under market price?

Never said I didn’t want to extend Cam. Is a huge difference there. Want to extend and keep him. I’m just more on the take emotions out of business. All factors surrounding him …I draw a line at some point. I want to keep him which says he’s a good player. Which we all know since I actually get detailed about not wanting to overpay a very replaceable player will end up being spun by you as me believing Cam is trash …or something to that effect. You know….the usual. His position just got its biggest possible market financial boost. Fresh off that one of a kind position top player, Creed Humphrey signing. C market isn’t blowing up in inflation soon. Instead it just hit its high moment boost. You can apply my logic to most any field…not just football. When a market so obviously just hits it clear peak….that never is the time to jump in.

Not Milton…Cam is the example of overpaying. He got us. But I’m factoring in very much just how easily we could replace him at C. Heck clearly we could just move Dickerson over to C and replace him with a G. G or C….two of the cheapest easiest to acquire positions that we also have a great track record of success with. Oh yeah…worth mentioning one more time …….Stout!!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many teams are in the NFL? 32

Then playing a small percentage of snaps would rank Davis about? 74th DT pay

Snaps are not a proxy for impact.

39 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Explain why you possibly believe our O is talented enough to score and dominate in the first quarter. Even a decent tier leveled O mind running our O should have us top three first quarter scoring. Dead FREAKIN last!

They have explained what they are doing … running plays that uncover/illuminate what the opponents’ game plan is on both sides of the ball.

On 5/3/2025 at 2:29 PM, joemas6 said:

Huge difference between our logic

You like the Milton Williams contract

Cap hits... 2025 to 2028...$14m, 29m, 30m and 31m....total = $104 million

I like Cam Jurgens contract... $3.5, 5.5, 8.5, 11.5... total just under $30 mil

I think $30 mil for 4 years of your pro bowl center who plays all the snaps and gets the ball to my QB, while being in the middle of the best unit on the team.

Is better than paying $104 million for a guy who plays less than half the snaps and not close to pro bowl level.

We really have a divide when it comes to money...and contracts....for sure.

I at least applaud your effort here. At least you attempted some form of a case for your logic. You did a nice job of very knowingly manipulating the numbers here. C being the lowest paid position compared to DT the hottest rising paid position. With this mindset Saquan you wouldn’t hesitate to ink for 55 mil. Shouldn’t the Offensive Player of the Year be the highest paid player? Instead it was a huge deal to at him…what? 12 mil per year was considered a massive payday for the best player in all of football this past season. 1/4 of being paid the top money.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I draw a line at some point.

At what point? What is the criteria?

44 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Explain why you possibly believe our O is talented enough to score and dominate in the first quarter. Even a decent tier leveled O mind running our O should have us top three first quarter scoring. Dead FREAKIN last!

It's like boxing, they feel out their opponent. Once they see the weaknesses, BAM. Works well in my view

Milton should be such an easy case to make against my point of view. Why it’s disappointing from No Mas here. Clearly overpaid. He benefitted from his surrounding with us and a terrible FA class. I’d have been furious had we extended him ourselves for that money. But the Pats aren’t us…at all. They’ve completely self destructed. The only thing they really had going for them WAS money to spend. I only could have formed my opinion favorably over that signing because it was made by the Pats. If you skip every surrounding detail specifically about the Milton signing No Mas would easily be on the correct side of things.

The specific details absolutely are crucial sitting Miltons contract. All those are exactly why I favor that decision by them.

Pats falling from grace from the most dominant run in NFL history…..to arguably the worst culture in the league currently.

Weakest FA class.

Young hard working good character player just peaking.

Grabbing the organizational changing piece of winning culture.

On 5/3/2025 at 2:53 PM, joemas6 said:

So if you truly believe the first part...

Compare these contracts...we will look at the other 8... ( not including Cam and your boy Humphrey)

Cam.... $30 mil from 2025- 2028. And $45 mil when you add the $15 mil for 2029 ( his age 30 season)

Drew Dalnag = $42.64 mil... 3 years

Frank Ragnow = $30.4mil ... 2 years

Lloyd Cushenberry = 33.3 mil ... 3 years

Eric McCoy = 43.7 mil ... 3 years

Tyler Biadasz = 25.6 mil ... 3 years

Ryan Kelly = 17.7 mil ... 2 years

Aaron Brewer = 16.2 mil ... 2 years

Robert Hainsey = 20 mil ... 3 years

Compare Cam being locked in for 5 years .. to these guys. While we also know the prices are going up. We also know that it's not an easy position to fill. Because we should have basic football knowledge to know that chemistry matters on the OL matters between C and QB. Why upset the apple cart and risk everything when you can lock in ( on a contending team that you constantly preach about overspending) at bargain price?

Makes zero sense on your part. Unless you just don't understand the numbers... or just have an agenda vs Cam... or just need to die on a hill and not show flexibility to change your opinion as you get more information.

But explain why you would have signed Cam to this deal now?

Wrong. I’m saying is arguably the easiest position for us to fill. You seriously just made your case based on the chemistry formed over so many years of Cam playing C? Dude….you're losing your mind. We exactly just moved him to play C for the very first season.

On 5/3/2025 at 3:09 PM, joemas6 said:

You always see Howie losing ... it's amazing.

I just am unique in calling each indovidual subject as I actually see them.

On 5/3/2025 at 3:09 PM, joemas6 said:

You always see Howie losing ... it's amazing.

Not true at all. I just don’t polish his nuts swallowing absolutely everything he says or thinks like you. He’s fantastic. But still doesn’t negate mistakes

Rosie is doing a good job. Just because I point out mistakes….doesn’t mean I believe he totally sucks. Reality hardly ever is so cut and dry and black and white.

Won the SB with an amazing roster. Yet still several terrible decisions can only be directly linked to our GM making.

Bradberry. Huff. Those were Rosie decisions. Those were arguably the worst decisions that were made here.

22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Milton should be such an easy case to make against my point of view. Why it’s disappointing from No Mas here. Clearly overpaid. He benefitted from his surrounding with us and a terrible FA class. I’d have been furious had we extended him ourselves for that money. But the Pats aren’t us…at all. They’ve completely self destructed. The only thing they really had going for them WAS money to spend. I only could have formed my opinion favorably over that signing because it was made by the Pats. If you skip every surrounding detail specifically about the Milton signing No Mas would easily be on the correct side of things.

Pats need EVERYTHING, they have plenty of cap money-WHO CARES? Let them overpay if they want(see Dullaz). Becton also benefitted being here

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eagles-reward-rookie-tryout-participant/ar-AA1E9qYM?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=428d18789c5c4699a7059406aec6dda2&ei=16 Montrell is going to be good. Plenty of time to develop while Bark plays out his career

22 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Like when Howie picked Milton and didn't get the fist bump because the scout wanted a CB? Before Fangio.

Which side was I on? I loved the Milton pick

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Giles-Jackson-WR-Michigan This kid could boot ASmith off the team

21 hours ago, mattwill said:

The bottom line of your argument I do not disagree with, but your numbers are a little bit misleading. Take a look at the chart below and you’ll see that Jurgens is not a $30 million total. He has a void year with $28 million

of money in it that needs to be Spread in the actual years of the contract.

Williams has no void years

See I like your style. No Mas completely understands this as well as anybody. He’s spinning the numbers in his favor for obvious benefit. You showed some quality understanding of how things really work. Well done!

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then explain why all the panic about him. Thanks for the parting gifts but I ain't goin ANYWHERE. So rude and childish,to be expected from you

Of all the reasons it wouldn’t be Lane being overpowered by a guy so much smaller than him. I mean c’mon man. Gotta hold the standards around here at some level.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO,you gave me parting gifts,then say this BS. Dude has you on the run before 1 snap has been taken. Lane has already dealt with guys for YEARS,but this guy puts itching powder in your jock LMAO HAHAHAHA i'm keeping my parting gifts while you hit the bricks

Yeah…just consider that’s my thinking about this stud pass rusher. Should at least force you to research and consider it. Not just me…every single person universally called him the elite stud of the draft class.