3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Overthecap is phenomenal with the information you can find

Either with a quick search or any deep dive.

5th year options, comp pick values, draft pick salary... comparing positions etc.

Then the ability to look ahead.

For the person that is interested in detail and understanding how it works, its great. But it's not for the " philosophy " person...who just likes cliches and general ideas.

I use Spotrac,but overthecap is much better

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Howie is breaking all the trends..it's great to see. Big school...small school...30 visit...then no 30 visit... LB since 1979... it's great . I prefer to see all this because it means when they select a player, they truly feel its their best choice...and not for any bias toward position, school, visit or anything else.

You gotta stay flexible...each draft is it's own...each pick is it's own. Make the best decision on the fly

I'm convinced it was smoke and mirrors, may have caused other teams to select TE's too early because "philly should take one here" . Even all the linemen we had in. Causes the guys we want to drop. Just awesome. Weak draft, no need to go hog wild. Only 10-12 game changers/guys that will make a difference I saw this time around. Good move for Howie to trade out of 3. I saw alot of NON round 1 players in 2,3 but the Eagles didn't see anything worthwhile (even though I thought there were good players in 3). Trading back and getting more picks I figured we would do in round 1,but they had Campbell as one of their few with round 1 grades, so no surprise Howie grabbed him at 32. Nice draft for depth and you never know, someone could emerge from that late pack. I even liked the UDFA's(but I always do because we are great at that). That RB from FL is going to be excellent if he latches onto the pro game. The Raiders got my boy Donte Thornton. They are starting to build a team out there

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

The cap adjustments are minimal ...we have a very good general idea of how much cap will roll over. I'm not sure he is privy to the inside information to get those #s before it actually matters.

With his extensive information a fan can get so much information to understand how everything works.

Certainly enough info not to make uneducated generalizations or assumptionson how things work. He gives us great details on everything. Without this site it would definitely be very difficult to understand a lot about how the league works.

I understand where you’re coming from but there is over $70 million of injury insurance coverage for Hurts for example. What was the injury insurance on Bradberry? Or Nakobe DeanIt would be nice to know not only the number but also to see how those numbers compared to what the numbers are for other teams.

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm convinced it was smoke and mirrors, may have caused other teams to select TE's too early because "philly should take one here" . Even all the linemen we had in. Causes the guys we want to drop. Just awesome. Weak draft, no need to go hog wild. Only 10-12 game changers/guys that will make a difference I saw this time around. Good move for Howie to trade out of 3. I saw alot of NON round 1 players in 2,3 but the Eagles didn't see anything worthwhile (even though I thought there were good players in 3). Trading back and getting more picks I figured we would do in round 1,but they had Campbell as one of their few with round 1 grades, so no surprise Howie grabbed him at 32. Nice draft for depth and you never know, someone could emerge from that late pack. I even liked the UDFA's(but I always do because we are great at that). That RB from FL is going to be excellent if he latches onto the pro game. The Raiders got my boy Donte Thornton. They are starting to build a team out there

I'm anxious to see how that 7th round pick works out

Somehow Howie seems to pull a rabbit out of his hat in the 7th

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Huge difference between our logic

You like the Milton Williams contract

Cap hits... 2025 to 2028...$14m, 29m, 30m and 31m....total = $104 million

I like Cam Jurgens contract... $3.5, 5.5, 8.5, 11.5... total just under $30 mil

I think $30 mil for 4 years of your pro bowl center who plays all the snaps and gets the ball to my QB, while being in the middle of the best unit on the team.

Is better than paying $104 million for a guy who plays less than half the snaps and not close to pro bowl level.

We really have a divide when it comes to money...and contracts....for sure.

The bottom line of your argument I do not disagree with, but your numbers are a little bit misleading. Take a look at the chart below and you’ll see that Jurgens is not a $30 million total. He has a void year with $28 million

of money in it that needs to be Spread in the actual years of the contract.

Williams has no void years

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So if you truly believe the first part...

Compare these contracts...we will look at the other 8... ( not including Cam and your boy Humphrey)

Cam.... $30 mil from 2025- 2028. And $45 mil when you add the $15 mil for 2029 ( his age 30 season)

Drew Dalnag = $42.64 mil... 3 years

Frank Ragnow = $30.4mil ... 2 years

Lloyd Cushenberry = 33.3 mil ... 3 years

Eric McCoy = 43.7 mil ... 3 years

Tyler Biadasz = 25.6 mil ... 3 years

Ryan Kelly = 17.7 mil ... 2 years

Aaron Brewer = 16.2 mil ... 2 years

Robert Hainsey = 20 mil ... 3 years

Compare Cam being locked in for 5 years .. to these guys. While we also know the prices are going up. We also know that it's not an easy position to fill. Because we should have basic football knowledge to know that chemistry matters on the OL matters between C and QB. Why upset the apple cart and risk everything when you can lock in ( on a contending team that you constantly preach about overspending) at bargain price?

Makes zero sense on your part. Unless you just don't understand the numbers... or just have an agenda vs Cam... or just need to die on a hill and not show flexibility to change your opinion as you get more information.

But explain why you would have signed Cam to this deal now?

Again, I don’t disagree with your principle. I too support the Jurgens Extension. But again you are playing fast and loose with the numbers. The extension for Jurgens was four years $68 million. So when you compare to any of those other contracts you have to compare the $68 million for 4 years to what you have for you other example players.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I use Spotrac,but overthecap is much better

Spotrac works better on my phone when looking at individual contracts. Overthecap just has so much other information. And easier to compare multiple players

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I use Spotrac,but overthecap is much better

I use them both. The cut/trade page on Spotrac is superb. OTC’s Comp Pick info is just as good.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

I understand where you’re coming from but there is over $70 million of injury insurance coverage for Hurts for example. What was the injury insurance on Bradberry? Or Nakobe DeanIt would be nice to know not only the number but also to see how those numbers compared to what the numbers are for other teams.

Are you talking about how the cap is affected? Otherwise why is it important?

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I'm anxious to see how that 7th round pick works out

Somehow Howie seems to pull a rabbit out of his hat in the 7th

The 7th Round pick … APR … has the added bonus of giving Howie more flexibility vis-a-vis Huff. Both APR and Huff are designated pass rushers first and foremost. Trading Huff still leaves Howie and Fangio with "one of those”

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Are you talking about how the cap is affected? Otherwise why is it important?

Absolutely how the Cap is affected. Any injury insurance policy payment is not only cash in Laurie’s pocket, but even more importantly a bump up of the available Cap by the amount of the payment.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

The bottom line of your argument I do not disagree with, but your numbers are a little bit misleading. Take a look at the chart below and you’ll see that Jurgens is not a $30 million total. He has a void year with $28 million

of money in it that needs to be Spread in the actual years of the contract.

Williams has no void years

I'm looking at the 4 years....I don't care about the void or anything in 2030 yet. You can't look at those numbers in comparison...because Milton only has 4 years....if you go further you assume too much....

Assumption 1. Williams won't play after 4 years or play for free.

Assumption 2. Cam won't redo a contract, either restructure or extension.

You gotta look at the 4 years. I know a lot of you always look at the deal and think it's that simple...I don't because I know most deals aren't meant to be finished. If it's a player who under performs...they release before its done. If a guy that outperforms, they extend and redo early.

In both cases it lowers the hits at the end of the deal.

In Cam's case... they actually lowered his cap hit this year by 2 million or so to start.

That's part of the extension that makes it even better than just his low cap hits for his position.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Absolutely how the Cap is affected. Any injury insurance policy payment is not only cash in Laurie’s pocket, but even more importantly a bump up of the available Cap by the amount of the payment.

So what happened with Bradberry? Are you saying his cap hit was lowered last year? Because he got hurt?

Are you saying Hurts cap it was lowered? Goedert's cap hit was lowered?

Just read...the Eagles got zero cap space from insurance/ injuries.

Like I said...I don't think the site is privy to that inside information....until it becomes official. Once it is, he just makes the adjustment in showing the cap space.

Packers had a $23 million player injured...got around a million in cap space back. So my guess is that it's not necessarily significant enough to worry about.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Just read...the Eagles got zero cap space from insurance/ injuries.

Like I said...I don't think the site is privy to that inside information....until it becomes official. Once it is, he just makes the adjustment in showing the cap space.

I would like to read that article. Can you share a link to it?

Good stuff.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I would like to read that article. Can you share a link to it?

Good stuff.

Just did a quick Google search in my phone. Hit the microphone and said " did the Eagles get any cap space from injuries "

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Packers had a $23 million player injured...got around a million in cap space back. So my guess is that it's not necessarily significant enough to worry about.

A team only gets money back if they purchased an insurance policy on the injured player. GB probably didn’t buy insurance on that player.

Just now, mattwill said:

A team only gets money back if they purchased an insurance policy on the injured player. GB probably didn’t buy insurance on that player.

He was a 23 million player.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Just did a quick Google search in my phone. Hit the microphone and said " did the Eagles get any cap space from injuries "

Copied and pasted that expression in Google. Got nothing on insurance, only other Cap stuff like Bradberry being cut. Can you look in your browser history and return to that page?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He was a 23 million player.

Doesn’t matter how much a player’s salary is if the team doesn’t purchase a policy covering that specific player.

Some teams believe in insurance and others do not. Howie is a big time believer according to past stories.

"Howie Roseman, the general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles, is known for his strategy of insuring players' contracts, particularly those of high-value players like Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown. This practice, often discussed in NFL circles, is aimed at providing financial protection for the team in case of unforeseen injuries or other circumstances that could impact a player's performance or availability. 

Here's a more detailed look at Roseman's approach:

• Contract Insurance:

  The Eagles have been observed to purchase insurance policies on a range of players, including those with substantial guaranteed contracts and even some on rookie deals. 

• Focus on Star Players:

  Star players like Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown have had their contracts insured, with the Eagles insuring a portion of the guaranteed money. 

• Risk Mitigation:

  Roseman's strategy appears to be driven by a desire to mitigate financial risk in case of injuries or other issues that could impact a player's performance or ability to play. 

• Beyond Star Players:

  The Eagles have also insured players on rookie contracts, indicating a broader approach to risk management. 

• Eagles' Unique Approach:

  The Eagles' approach to insuring contracts is considered unique within the NFL, with many teams setting a threshold for guaranteed contract value before insuring. 

• NFL Management Council Concerns:

  The NFL Management Council has been discussing potential changes to the salary cap rules, and the insurance strategy may be a factor in those discussions, according to an article on On Pattison.com. ”

https://onpattison.com/news/2024/sep/18/philadelphia-eagles-news-howie-roseman-insurance-jalen-hurts-aj-brown/#:~:text=Roseman%20declined%20to%20speak%20to,just%20beginning%20to%20understand%20it.

Here’s an ESPN article on insurance.

ESPN.com

'A rabbit hole most people know nothing about': How insur...

The Jets didn't insure Aaron Rodgers, costing them cap savings. The Eagles and 49ers used insurance to help achieve contender status.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Here’s an ESPN article on insurance.

ESPN.com

'A rabbit hole most people know nothing about': How insur...

The Jets didn't insure Aaron Rodgers, costing them cap savings. The Eagles and 49ers used insurance to help achieve contender status.

I just read this....was going to share ...lol. good stuff

The article said it was taboo to discuss. Like the teams want to keep it quiet.

Also said the Eagles were 6th in total cap space recouped....at $19 mil in the last 10 years.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The article said it was taboo to discuss. Like the teams want to keep it quiet.

Also said the Eagles were 6th in total cap space recouped....at $19 mil in the last 10 years.

I’ve reached out to the ESPN reporter to see if a follow-up to her article makes sense … team by team impact on the 2025 Cap. We’ll see if she responds.