1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not blown away by fan voted Pro Bowl stuff. I doubt many fans can name more than two C.

Except that 2/3rd of the pro bowl voting is done by the players and coaches so you don’t respect their votes either on cam that makes up 66% of the voting for the pro bowl

I just see these contracts to Cam and Davis as being fairly crucial towards our teams options. Both these guys getting us pretty good instead of a more reasonable deal.

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except that 2/3rd of the pro bowl voting is done by the players and coaches so you don’t respect their votes either on cam that makes up 66% of the voting for the pro bowl

All Pro I respect

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Again just looking at the media headline contract numbers is pointless the only thing that matters for us is the cap hits and Cams cap hits are super low for the next 3 years then we can easily get out of his contract after

I agree with you that the media headline 💩 is just that 💩

However, you are only telling part of the story when you say "the only thing that matters is the cap hit” The guaranteed money matters as well. Joe would have a much stronger argument if he used that. Milton has $63 million guaranteed in his 4 year agreement. Cam has just over $43 million guaranteed in his 4 year agreement.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just see these contracts to Cam and Davis as being fairly crucial towards our teams options. Both these guys getting us pretty good instead of a more reasonable deal.

That is your opinion. I respect that opinion, but disagree with it for both players. Chocolate and Vanilla.

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Mind you after Cam Jurgen get up to 11m cap hits mark in 2028 we can release him with only 3m dead cap space easy out if it comes to that which is highly unlikely.

I’m just trying to figure out why we are acting like we broke the bank for Cam Jurgens when it’s the complete opposite when you look at the cap hits

And Milton can be released in 2028 with only 6m dead cap space easy out. But you don’t sign players for the opportunity to cut them. You sign players for the opportunity to play them.

So there is a belief the did a rewrite to change wording so it wasn’t so focused just against us….they believe they might have the votes to ban The Brotherly Shove here.

The Packers proposal against us it’s said was 16-16 vote

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

The Packers proposal against us it’s said was 16-16 vote

Which really shows more teams against us directly than I believed were.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pats aren’t looking to win a title. What are you talking about? Just trying to change their culture.

LOL EVERY team is looking to win a title. Owners want one, why they change coaches, why they spend money on players, why they attend the draft, why they build new stadiums. More wins= more fans in the stadium = more jerseys sold. Not ONE team won a Lombardi for "culture". At least none I am aware of

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope the unicorn C just set the market at its peak year right now. No C getting paid more than Creed these next couple of years.

What makes him a "unicorn". Explain this term to me. He is no "myth" he plays just fine, well enough to put a SB ring on his finger. Such disrespect for an Eagles starting offensive player. There are 32 starting C's in the league, they all have jobs to do. Rate them however you want. Playing for another championship could possibly mean they don't really need the money? After 20 million, how much more does one really need? Who gives a rat butt who sets the market? The lowest paid guy blows your income AWAYYYYYYYYY

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not about trying to sound intelligent

You have no worries there 🤣

Why not just admit Howie knows what he's doing? Most teams at some point over invest(see ALL IN). You ride the high as long as possible. You can't keep everyone you spent money on. It's an ebb and flow. Sadly, Cleveland misses the boat annually. They are standing in the desert waiting for their ship to come in. Only team that has been rebuilding for 45 years now. Much harder to have any type "dynasty" now, after all the league efforts at parity. You could say KC had a mini one, maybe we can too

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Clearly bad teams have to outbid contending teams.

No they don't

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which really shows more teams against us directly than I believed were.

Usually happens that you try to ban what you can't do yourself or you scream "UNFAIR". It's a play we took years to perfect. They could have done it too, I suspect others will start on this ASAP. So the question then becomes, if it's not banned, can WE STOP it? I'm sure if Dullaz had a 12 foot 750 pound RB, who could run a 3.30 40, we would probably object to that too, so I understand teams wanting that play to cease to exist. But I also know it uses human bodies to perform, so in essence it's just a PLAY that some cannot perform. I can't object to Eddie Van Halen(RIP) playing "Eruption" because I can't perform it myself. TB stopped us twice, so it can be defeated

53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No they don't

I tend to agree with you.

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Usually happens that you try to ban what you can't do yourself or you scream "UNFAIR". It's a play we took years to perfect. They could have done it too, I suspect others will start on this ASAP. So the question then becomes, if it's not banned, can WE STOP it? I'm sure if Dullaz had a 12 foot 750 pound RB, who could run a 3.30 40, we would probably object to that too, so I understand teams wanting that play to cease to exist. But I also know it uses human bodies to perform, so in essence it's just a PLAY that some cannot perform. I can't object to Eddie Van Halen(RIP) playing "Eruption" because I can't perform it myself. TB stopped us twice, so it can be defeated

The thing is that even if they ban it, the team will just adjust the approach slightly, and keep running it. You can’t change the reality of Hurts’ powerful thighs, and Saquon and A.J. Dillon have equal leg power. So Saquon will line up beside Hurts rather than behind him, and when the ball is snapped the O-Line will surge forward, as will Hhurts, Saquon, and A. J. The Defense will be driven back off the LOS and Hurts will choose either Saquon’s seam or A.J.’s seam to drive through. Different, but the same … and compliant.

54 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The thing is that even if they ban it, the team will just adjust the approach slightly, and keep running it. You can’t change the reality of Hurts’ powerful thighs, and Saquon and A.J. Dillon have equal leg power. So Saquon will line up beside Hurts rather than behind him, and when the ball is snapped the O-Line will surge forward, as will Hhurts, Saquon, and A. J. The Defense will be driven back off the LOS and Hurts will choose either Saquon’s seam or A.J.’s seam to drive through. Different, but the same … and compliant.

Seems Howie thought ahead about it, we added 2 possible FB's which was a position that has all but disappeared. Dillon could also be a useful lead blocker. I'm with you though it would be difficult with an alteration. it would just keep them chasing the rules. I don't know what they will do. One of my previous bishes was "this play should not be needed much, we need to get 10 yards in 3 downs". It is responsible for alot of Hurts scoring stats

48 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I am deaf, no caption if you could paraphrase it would be appreciated

I am not on Twitter/X, or any other garbage. I stay as far away from that as possible. Personal choice with no plans to change

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I am deaf, no caption if you could paraphrase it would be appreciated

We have that in common. I’m not fully deaf, but hearing loss has very much made me what I am … a person who lives inside my head much more than most. I’m sure you can relate.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We have that in common. I’m not fully deaf, but hearing loss has very much made me what I am … a person who lives inside my head much more than most. I’m sure you can relate.

I was a musician(besides my regular job) for 24 years. It's very frustrating and you bet I can relate. My dogs are taught a "language"(not hand signs) that only they know, so no one can mess with them. They are trained to protect me since I am deaf and can't hear "little noises". There are many things one needs to do to at least give yourself a shot, but it never stacks up fully

38 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I am deaf, no caption if you could paraphrase it would be appreciated

It begins at the 36 minute mark of this YouTube, which has captions.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We have that in common. I’m not fully deaf, but hearing loss has very much made me what I am … a person who lives inside my head much more than most. I’m sure you can relate.

I knew mine was coming for awhile, so I did get to prepare a little, but at 46 I had to go on SS. That's alot of top level income earning lost