Brotherly Shove ban is the death stroke to Goedert here. He’s a good piece of that play. He’s great YAC Creation TE. YAC doesn’t do squat at the goaline. We need Redzone target.

TE Mark Andrews from Ravens would be our ideal answer

Calcattarra I’d say is fairly equal to Goedert as a goaline receiving threat

Be real sweet if we had big 6’6” Johnny Wilson step up as just a goaline replacement for Smitty. That one role could compliment our roster so nicely.

Could be reasoning to give a shot to Terrace Marshall.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Agreed, that is the Income Statement approach, but not the Balance Sheet approach. As I have said several times before, the Income Statement approach is narrow. The Balance Sheet is comprehensive. You have chosen the narrow view. That is your prerogative. I respect that. I personally choose to look at my assets and liabilities comprehensively.

Matt....whatever approach you want to use... it's a steal of a contract for Jurgens.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the Cam contract is puffed up with completely fake 28 mil six years from now…that we aren’t facing any of the dead money trapping us….is this your assessment of his extension?

Correct... the assessment is $28 mil in 2030 is much much less than $28 mil today. Also 6 seasons from now...well outside the window you are concerned about. And even with the added $28 mil...that's 73mil spread out over 6 years.

Very team friendly contract when you look at the current center position... and only will look better as other centers get paid.

A center could be drafted next year in 2026, and get an extension higher than Cam has now. Locking in these rates at today's numbers are good..they will only look better later.

19th , 14th and 6th highest cap hits the next 3 years...locked in, so only can go even lower on the list of center contracts. Cam may never have a top 10 cap hit during this contract at his position.

Very effective way to lock him in cheap so that it doesn't prevent any cap issues later.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Correct... the assessment is $28 mil in 2030 is much much less than $28 mil today. Also 6 seasons from now...well outside the window you are concerned about. And even with the added $28 mil...that's 73mil spread out over 6 years.

Very team friendly contract when you look at the current center position... and only will look better as other centers get paid.

A center could be drafted next year in 2026, and get an extension higher than Cam has now. Locking in these rates at today's numbers are good..they will only look better later.

19th , 14th and 6th highest cap hits the next 3 years...locked in, so only can go even lower on the list of center contracts. Cam may never have a top 10 cap hit during this contract at his position.

Very effective way to lock him in cheap so that it doesn't prevent any cap issues later.

This is the version of Hurts contract... only for a C instead of a QB, so the numbers are on a smaller scale. But same principle.

You made it seek like Hurts made such a sacrifice taking a team friendly deal...but you don’t see it with Cam?

Both get great cash. Both with miniscule cap hits relatively to their positions. Both locked in long term.

Both great contracts for average starters at their positions. If either are considered top 10 at their positions...both deals would be excellent... if both could be considered top 5 at their positions....both contracts absolute steals.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not many times a player chooses the terrible team over the contending team for equal pay

How else would they lure them away? LOL. Still they CHOOSE to pay more, they are not required to. Brady took many CUTS to help out the dying Pats. We got AJ the same way,we CHOSE to pay him when the Titans would not

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Plenty of teams didn’t contend because of the bad culture

I didn't know there was an award for that. My bad. I thought players won games. Plenty of teams didn't contend because they have crap players. We didn't beat KC because our culture was better, our PLAYERS were. Now having a great culture helps alot, but it's only ONE of many reasons for success. Dallas gave us runs(or flat out won the division) with the "all prison teams" IDK that their culture has changed 1 iota, but the brass can't manage wiping their own arses. You ogle over many of their players, but are fine that they have no culture. I am happy that Siri conducts the team properly to the point players are confident in themselves and the guys they play around. Howie cuts loose the trouble makers and cancers. AJ went through a little "tiff time" where he let his ego go for a bit, but Siri got that all quieted. WR's are like lead singers in bands. You have to keep their egos in line or they blow things up. You must provide them with their stat share and the "culture" comes from the staff who understands this and provides

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In a month the rumor is this is what’s going to happen to effectively ban The Brotherly Shove.

Welp, now we will see if Hurts can be more than mediocre when his big scoring stats are taken away at the GL and he is forced to make 10 yards in 3 downs with no security binkey

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ, Smitty and Hurts sacrificed purely for team winning

What did they "sacrifice"?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Intense desire to win being driven competitor has been our main key to success. Exactly the key guys we’ve had that have overcome so much to find ways to win the last several years. No better example of what AJ, Smitty and Hurts sacrificed purely for team winning. Bad culture stems from players just needing to feed egos and not even caring about playing as a team. Heck even to levels of where winning just isn’t even an expectation. Pats don’t believe in themselves. Players aren’t bonding together to do what’s best for just any team. Heck find any other WR duo and QB combo that even is willing to sacrifice personal career ego for team success. Much less asking a player to self sacrifice for a team not contending. Not happening.

Bad culture organizations can most easily be explained by looking inward at exactly what our Eagles now possess. Starts at the top. HC relations with players. Ownership buy in. GM relations across the board. Nothing more key than player leadership.

Then let them overspend on Milton. We had to let some go because we went "all in" which you argued most of last year was a fallacy(but it wasn't)

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have issues with not having options at the goaline. All we have is AJ and Hurts. Saquan just doesn’t get it done at a high enough rate. Too many times we saw Siri trying to just reward him after a nice gain setting us up inside the ten. Two…even three carries at times. So many times just being forced to turn to Hurts to get it done. Smitty isn’t the worst goaline WR for his least ideal body type actually. But defenders can get a body on him enough to disrupt timing. Goedert staying or going never proven to be a TD weapon.

LMAO no YOU have issues because relying on Hurts was all we did. We added Dillon,the dude from FL(I( hope he makes the 90). As of now we still have Goedert/calc. Wilson who is fairly big should be healthy in the slot,we added 2 FULLBACKS. We may be forced to score like every other team has to OMG!!!!!!!!!! The humanity!!!!! Actually near the GL is where we will miss the guy you hate Gainwell, even if he was only a decoy. I'm wondering if we can run ASmith out of the backfield down there. he needs to prove he has something to offer or he is going away. He is on the bubble. Rams picked up Covey

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The success rate of Hurts scoring us TDs in the Redzone any which way he wills it to happen has been arguably the most crucial element surrounding our success.

LMAO, he "wills it" HAHAHAHAHAHA. He then will need to "will" the ball into receivers hands when he has to throw for 6

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m going to preemptively head off Hurts only scoring on Brotherly Shoves right from the start here. He’s run it in plenty outside of that single play. Think Bills OT incredible comeback victory!

You mean CYA???

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2027 —-8.6 mil cap hit is the price we have to pay here for Cam. Which does go right along with my thinking. All In for the next two years…then we can have a suck it up year concerning the cap along with Saquan and Lane crucial losses.

So you think $8.6 mil cap hit in 2027 is a high number for Cam? And you think that will put the Eagles in a tough cap situation?

They are showing $90 mil of cap space in 2027....with a lot of players locked in. If they extend Carter, Smith Ojomo... they will have low cap hits in 2027. . Same if they extend Mitchell, Dejean or Hunt.

How do you see cap issues in 2027 when actually looking at the numbers?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So I think the rumors of expectation of banning The Brotherly Shove Lurie understands are very likely here. Which really brings into focus the need for Goedert to be replaced with a proven Redzone weapon.

Yep, gotta cover for the mediocre QB now

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Had the foresight to already add Dillon. Thinking a FB leading him is a very strong physical approach. But Dillon is far from a safe bet. He’s borderline retirement…or ideal.

I already said this, back before the Eagles came out said it, but they were preparing all the while adding FB's for this possibility

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO no YOU have issues because relying on Hurts was all we did. We added Dillon,the dude from FL(I( hope he makes the 90). As of now we still have Goedert/calc. Wilson who is fairly big should be healthy in the slot,we added 2 FULLBACKS. We may be forced to score like every other team has to OMG!!!!!!!!!! The humanity!!!!! Actually near the GL is where we will miss the guy you hate Gainwell, even if he was only a decoy. I'm wondering if we can run ASmith out of the backfield down there. he needs to prove he has something to offer or he is going away. He is on the bubble. Rams picked up Covey

BTW who the heck would be DUMB enough NOT to key on Bark at the GL??? I sure would, but you can't box him and Hurts both in from the 1. After a long run what is wrong with rewarding him at the GL?

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the Cam contract is puffed up with completely fake 28 mil six years from now…that we aren’t facing any of the dead money trapping us….is this your assessment of his extension?

That is the case with virtually all contracts across the NFL these days. The difference between the total value $ and the guaranteed $ equals the amount of the "puff”.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2027 —-8.6 mil cap hit is the price we have to pay here for Cam. Which does go right along with my thinking. All In for the next two years…then we can have a suck it up year concerning the cap along with Saquan and Lane crucial losses.

The loss of Lane may already have been addressed in this Draft. Both Hinton and Williams have been enrolled in Stoutland University, where just like Mailata did they will use the first two years of their rookie contract being developed as potential Lane replacements.

That they turn out as good as Lane is not guaranteed, but they are the raw "clay” that Stoutland has successfully molded in the past.

A successor to Saquon is a much more daunting task. As Roob pointed out in a recent article, this season is going to be very interesting to track. "Saquon Barkley was the ninth player in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards in a season. It’s interesting and a little ominous to look at the first eight and what happened a year later. Those first eight 2,000-yard rushers averaged 2,046 yards and 5.6 yards per carry in their 2,000-yard season. Each one averaged at least 5.1 yards per carry. The next year, they averaged 1,079 yards and 4.2 yards per carry. That’s an average drop of 47 percent rushing yards and a 25 percent decrease in yards per carry. The highest rushing average by a player who ran for 2,000 yards the previous season was 4.5 by Adrian Peterson in 2013, but that was down from 6.0 the year before when he ran for 2,097 yards. Nobody else was over 4.3. The most rushing yards a year after a 2,000-yard season was Barry Sanders’ 1,491 in 1998 after his 2,053 season in 1997. But his per-carry average fell from 6.1 to 4.3. It’s not like these big drops are unique to 2,000-yard rushers. The top 23 rushing seasons in history (not including Barkley) have been followed by a significant yardage and per-carry drop. The most rushing yards in a season by a player who had more the next year? That would be Eric Dickerson’s 1,808 yards with a 4.6 as a rookie in 1983 followed by 2,105 and a 5.6 the next year. We’ll see this fall what kind of season Barkley can have on the heels of his electrifying 2,005-yard, 5.8-average season in 2024. The precedents are strong and not particularly encouraging. But none of those guys had this offensive line and this quarterback either.”

Agree..none of the RBs had this offensive line or ran the ball vs Nickel coverage in a single back set..like Barkley. Also...I don't think we need 2000 yards.

I believe they didn't trust Shipley last year and used Gainwell more for other purposes than rushing. One would assume a trust in Shipley and usage f Dillon as a rusher...should take the need away from Barkley...especially on early downs. He may be actually used more on 3rd downs and passing situations this year though.

Who knows... but a lot of anticipation going into this year.

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The loss of Lane may already have been addressed in this Draft. Both Hinton and Williams have been enrolled in Stoutland University, where just like Mailata did they will use the first two years of their rookie contract being developed as potential Lane replacements.

That they turn out as good as Lane is not guaranteed, but they are the raw "clay” that Stoutland has successfully molded in the past.

A successor to Saquon is a much more daunting task. As Roob pointed out in a recent article, this season is going to be very interesting to track. "Saquon Barkley was the ninth player in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards in a season. It’s interesting and a little ominous to look at the first eight and what happened a year later. Those first eight 2,000-yard rushers averaged 2,046 yards and 5.6 yards per carry in their 2,000-yard season. Each one averaged at least 5.1 yards per carry. The next year, they averaged 1,079 yards and 4.2 yards per carry. That’s an average drop of 47 percent rushing yards and a 25 percent decrease in yards per carry. The highest rushing average by a player who ran for 2,000 yards the previous season was 4.5 by Adrian Peterson in 2013, but that was down from 6.0 the year before when he ran for 2,097 yards. Nobody else was over 4.3. The most rushing yards a year after a 2,000-yard season was Barry Sanders’ 1,491 in 1998 after his 2,053 season in 1997. But his per-carry average fell from 6.1 to 4.3. It’s not like these big drops are unique to 2,000-yard rushers. The top 23 rushing seasons in history (not including Barkley) have been followed by a significant yardage and per-carry drop. The most rushing yards in a season by a player who had more the next year? That would be Eric Dickerson’s 1,808 yards with a 4.6 as a rookie in 1983 followed by 2,105 and a 5.6 the next year. We’ll see this fall what kind of season Barkley can have on the heels of his electrifying 2,005-yard, 5.8-average season in 2024. The precedents are strong and not particularly encouraging. But none of those guys had this offensive line and this quarterback either.”

Ham is implying Howie will be stuck without much cap space in 2027. That's why he mentioned that huge $8.6 mil cap hit for Jurgens.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

43 mil of the 68 mil media headline about his contract is completely fake and never will happen with Cam. He gets the notoriety and respect comes along with headlines of top paid C….which we all know, especially at his position of C, is what’s key to Pro Bowl balloting fluff.

43 million is real (guaranteed) and 25 million (68 minus 43) is not guaranteed. That doesn’t mean the 25 is fake. It is just conditional.