5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah see you gotta be able to see all sides. Can’t just be so perfect surrounding the coach a poster lives and terrible fault for the QB they’ve been against. Start with Siri was green HC. So just logically he was behind and not experienced enough to have the greatest first TC. That’s just fair, right?

LOL "they"? You mean Joe and me, who held the bar high for Hurts to strive for, while your bar was constantly on the move with no set points to reach. We were both "haters" because we held the bar high for Hurts to reach. He finally grabbed that bar last year. No one "hates" Hurts. All made up in your head

But can’t coach to a QB what doesn’t exist in the O given to be run either.

But yeah…all the things you banged on Hurts for…pretty much was the Siri flaws instead of QB.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL :they"? You mean Joe and me, who held the bar high for Hurts to strive for, while your bar was constantly on the move with no set points to reach. We were both "haters" because we held the bar high for Hurts to reach. He finally grabbed that bar last year. No on "hates" Hurts. All made up in your head

You faulted our young QB for what was lacking from Siri is the main huge differing opinion gap going on.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But seemed pretty exactly along all the lines you bashed Hurts for. Admit he needed to be coached. But Siri was deciding to skip so much of these developing your franchise QB prioritization.

Once again (lord help this poor soul Ham) it's NOT SIRI's JOB to babysit ANY player

Young QB that reasonably was missing key developments in exact areas you’d expect having a different O each college season. Hurts was drafted young too.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again (lord help this poor soul Ham) it's NOT SIRI's JOB to babysit ANY player

Any other Franchise drafts their franchise QB it’s just understood that priorities are developing that QB.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Any other Franchise drafts their franchise QB it’s just understood that priorities are developing that QB.

Widely known as pretty universally develop the franchise QB over all else. Reaping the years benefitting from that accomplishment.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You faulted our young QB for what was lacking from Siri is the main huge differing opinion gap going on.

I faulted the young QB for making rookie errors that he should know better than to commit. Faulting someone is NOT HATE. Who runs backwards for 14 yards and takes a sack anyway? Is this the play you want from your QB? Pointing that out it hate?????

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Young QB that reasonably was missing key developments in exact areas you’d expect having a different O each college season. Hurts was drafted young too.

Lay out the time line for what "key developments" there should have been

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again (lord help this poor soul Ham) it's NOT SIRI's JOB to babysit ANY player

HC makes the decisions though. First though: Siri O was being run. It was terrible garbage. All proving Siri didn’t think or even see these things. So of course all this lacking from even existing in his scheme …proves he wasn’t and couldn’t coach the QB all about it.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I faulted the young QB for making rookie errors that he should know better than to commit. Faulting someone is NOT HATE. Who runs backwards for 14 yards and takes a sack anyway? Is this the play you want from your QB? Pointing that out it hate?????

Young guys going to make mistakes. Reality

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Define specifically what you feel Siri should have done since apparently you know all about it. Just Siri, no one else and list his offenses he should be fired for since you know all about that too. Educate me

Awaiting answer to this question

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I faulted the young QB for making rookie errors that he should know better than to commit. Faulting someone is NOT HATE. Who runs backwards for 14 yards and takes a sack anyway? Is this the play you want from your QB? Pointing that out it hate?????

Things Hurts was at fault over. Ball security obviously one.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Things Hurts was at fault over. Ball security obviously one.

But you targeted Hurts in areas mostly where it was coaching issues. Just didn’t have it.

Kelce in place so Siri could be enabled to do so.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Young guys going to make mistakes. Reality

Sure, but you have a double standard, specifically singling out Hurts as some god, above criticism. No standards should be placed on him

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce in place so Siri could be enabled to do so.

See Kelce doing it is just fine. But isn’t any reason any QB still wasn’t going to need to be taught and developed it all.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure, but you have a double standard, specifically singling out Hurts as some god, above criticism. No standards should be placed on him

False

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Any other Franchise drafts their franchise QB it’s just understood that priorities are developing that QB.

So Hurts made no progress from the day he was drafted until we won the SB??

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure, but you have a double standard, specifically singling out Hurts as some god, above criticism. No standards should be placed on him

See even here I stated Hurts was needing development was a holdup from the start.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

False

False and you know it

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So Hurts made no progress from the day he was drafted until we won the SB??

Think he always made progress and worked hard showing completely he was very coachable. Every complaint you faulted him for each season he showed improvement and fixed it.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

See even here I stated Hurts was needing development was a holdup from the start.

Right, no progress whatsoever according to you. Siri is his coach, but no progress since the day he started. Got it

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So Hurts made no progress from the day he was drafted until we won the SB??

Moore came in. Saw more in that single season than the other three combined