20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If it is a poor business model, why is he the owner reaping the greatest financial benefit year after year after year? His "audience” apparently sees value regardless of ho good the team is on the field. He had the foresight to officially brand the Cowboys as America’s Team, and unofficially brand it as Latin America’s Team. He takes those successful decisions to the bank every day.

Because he owns the most popular franchise in the most popular league ... nothing to do with anything he specifically did

25 minutes ago, mattwill said:

From a business/ownership perspective whether or not the team is bankrupt on the field is often irrelevant. John D Rockefeller ran Standard Oil in an absolutely culturally bankrupt fashion, and became the richest man in the world. Elon Musk isn’t a morally/culturally bankrupt as Rockefeller, but he is in the same league, and how has that worked out for him.

You are looking at success subjectively rather than objectively. You are also assigning value to something that is fleeting/etherial. You can’t pay your bills with it.

You are also describing indirect success rather than direct success. We as fans experience the results on the field indirectly. Lurie’s ability to come up with the cash Howie needs is also something we only experience indirectly. The NFL continues to exist because the owners make money.

I'm looking at "success" realistically. Sure, I am assigning value to what you can't see, but the players feel it. They know we have their backs, there is no drama, you can play here comfortably. I have no clue what "monetary value" that carries,but without it,you don't hoist the trophy

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I disagree. It's what sports is about. If players don't play as a team and just as individuals,your team is bankrupt on the field and will not see success regardless of how much you spend

Matt is not a football fan... we found that out last night. Just the business side ... but he likes the Eagles just isn't a football fan.

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If it is a poor business model, why is he the owner reaping the greatest financial benefit year after year after year? His "audience” apparently sees value regardless of ho good the team is on the field. He had the foresight to officially brand the Cowboys as America’s Team, and unofficially brand it as Latin America’s Team. He takes those successful decisions to the bank every day.

The fans don't care what Jerry's bank balance is,not at ALL

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

But in the realm of Dynasty building what a player is right now isn’t the only consideration. It is important to keep in mind how that player fits into the succession plan.

And they will cut the player that is 4th is line to the succession plan

53 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Agree... Jones is along for the ride.... the Cowboys will always be the most valuable franchise. If the owners were switched it would have been Lurie instead of Jones owning the most valuable franchise. Jones didn't innovate or get ahead of anyone.

Neither did Banner. If either were " innovators" it would be easy to articulate why.

The Cowboys will not always be the most valuable franchise unless their corporate strategic plan takes care of the business. Are the Rangers the most valuable MLB team? No they are not. The Dodgers are. They are the baseball darlings of both Latin America and the Pacific Rim. Both the Rams and the Chargers are capable of becoming football’s new Latin America’s Team.

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The NFL isn’t in the business of football. It is in the business of entertainment.

Who is the most successful QB in football? Is it Dak since he gets the most money?

22 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If it is a poor business model, why is he the owner reaping the greatest financial benefit year after year after year? His "audience” apparently sees value regardless of ho good the team is on the field. He had the foresight to officially brand the Cowboys as America’s Team, and unofficially brand it as Latin America’s Team. He takes those successful decisions to the bank every day.

Great slogans, no trophies recently. Call them whatever name you choose, we hold the trophy, they keep dreaming about a come back

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Before Banner all the employees under the General Manager were football people. Banner expanded the role of the General Manager to include bean counters performing analytics. In effect he was deploying AI before there was any actual AI computerization. He boldly went where no one had gone before … into spreadsheets and computer models. No one had ever approached the Cap the way Banner approached it. He understood leverage and used it. No one had ever done that prior to him. Wharton created a sports business major because of Banner.

Really??? You have done research on this???? I'd liek to see your sources that there has never been a single NFL employee that has been under a GM that wasn't office related? I very highly doubt it.

I think as a bean counter yourself... Banner is like your idol. I highly doubt that you had knowledge of the Eagles front office prior to having an orgasm hearing Joe Banner talk. and seeing a businessman try to run a football team.

But again.... YOU KNOW ALL OF THIS, YET DONT FOLLOW THE NFL??????

Come on Matt.... not looking really good there. you know all the details of 32 front offices... yet didn't know about Tom Brady and the deflated footballs? You don't know how many SBs Montana has... but you know all 32 front offices? you expect anyone to believe this? Really?

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Matt is not a football fan... we found that out last night. Just the business side ... but he likes the Eagles just isn't a football fan.

I understand

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes Jerry is the benefactor of the league for sure... definitely doesn't make him the most successful.... just the guy who bought the team back then. The next owner of the Cowboys will also then be considered the most successful guy in the league... if that's all that matters?

No. Success is measured by Return on Investment (ROI). The Cowboys were a relatively low valued franchise when Jerry bought them. In effect they were the MAGA Crowd’s Team. Jerry saw the potential of the Latin American market. He also saw the potential of branding, and coined the brand name "America’s Team”. The compound annual percentage increase in value of the Cowboys since Jerry bought them is close to astronomical. Any new owners will be paying a premium price, which is the denominator of the ROI calculation, and their annual compound percentage increase will therefore be low.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The Cowboys will not always be the most valuable franchise unless their corporate strategic plan takes care of the business. Are the Rangers the most valuable MLB team? No they are not. The Dodgers are. They are the baseball darlings of both Latin America and the Pacific Rim. Both the Rams and the Chargers are capable of becoming football’s new Latin America’s Team.

Past the left field and now you are moving into the upper deck. WTF does this post have to do with anything? The NFL is the NFL... you seem to think everything is the same... the NFL is very unique. The Cowboys don't have any comparison the the Rangers, Stars, Mavericks, Spurs, Astros or any other Texas team. The Cowboys are well beyond that... have been for decades, prior to Jones owning the team.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

No. Success is measured by Return on Investment (ROI). The Cowboys were a relatively low valued franchise when Jerry bought them. In effect they were the MAGA Crowd’s Team. Jerry saw the potential of the Latin American market. He also saw the potential of branding, and coined the brand name "America’s Team”. The compound annual percentage increase in value of the Cowboys since Jerry bought them is close to astronomical. Any new owners will be paying a premium price, which is the denominator of the ROI calculation, and their annual compound percentage increase will therefore be low.

Great for Jerry, no trophies for the fans in 28 years. For the fan base the ROI has not paid off for them. They buy tickets, jerseys and $12.00 beers and have nothing to show for it

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

No. Success is measured by Return on Investment (ROI). The Cowboys were a relatively low valued franchise when Jerry bought them. In effect they were the MAGA Crowd’s Team. Jerry saw the potential of the Latin American market. He also saw the potential of branding, and coined the brand name "America’s Team”. The compound annual percentage increase in value of the Cowboys since Jerry bought them is close to astronomical. Any new owners will be paying a premium price, which is the denominator of the ROI calculation, and their annual compound percentage increase will therefore be low.

Dude... you are so clueless the Mexican crowd was there since the 70s... Mexican broadcast etc. Seriously... how do you continue to speak like an NFL expert when you don't even follow the league?????

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who cares? So his bank balance grows and he still has no recent trophys. The fans care about winning the Lombardi, not Jerry's bank balance.

You are correct. That is what the fans care about, but the fans are only minor customers of the NFL. The NFL’s major/largest customers are the broadcasters and the companies paying to advertise their products and services. They know that for every one team with the trophy there are 31 teams without that trophy. So they don’t care about trophies.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No. Success is measured by Return on Investment (ROI). The Cowboys were a relatively low valued franchise when Jerry bought them. In effect they were the MAGA Crowd’s Team. Jerry saw the potential of the Latin American market. He also saw the potential of branding, and coined the brand name "America’s Team”. The compound annual percentage increase in value of the Cowboys since Jerry bought them is close to astronomical. Any new owners will be paying a premium price, which is the denominator of the ROI calculation, and their annual compound percentage increase will therefore be low.

1969 ... lol 2 decades before Jerry bought the Cowboys.... seriously, time to let go of the shovel here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=when+did+the+cowboys+begin+their+mexican+broadcast&oq=when+did+the+cowboys+begin+their+mexican+broadcast&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigAdIBCjE3OTYyajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBX4PIqyqUYuP8QV-DyKsqlGLjw&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

33 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-agree-to-acquire-dorian-thompson-robinson-from-browns-in-exchange-for-kenny-pickett Got another draft pick from the deal. Pickett was expendable. Traded for T-R who was a player with experience as QB 3 and got a draft pick with that deal. IMO there was no way we would re-sign Pickett, so move him out and keep the "factory" going

I agree 100% with what you are saying, but Howie chose to include DT-R in the trade. What do you think Howie’s reason was for doing that?

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No. Success is measured by Return on Investment (ROI). The Cowboys were a relatively low valued franchise when Jerry bought them. In effect they were the MAGA Crowd’s Team. Jerry saw the potential of the Latin American market. He also saw the potential of branding, and coined the brand name "America’s Team”. The compound annual percentage increase in value of the Cowboys since Jerry bought them is close to astronomical. Any new owners will be paying a premium price, which is the denominator of the ROI calculation, and their annual compound percentage increase will therefore be low.

Holy $hit..... I didn't even read the entire post..... You just said " Jerry coined and branded Dallas as " America's Team" WOW! Talk about delusional.... =how much pot did you smoke in the 70s not to know this????

Time to put down the shovel

On 8/12/2025 at 3:36 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anyone can find pics of him in an Eagles and Browns jersey, proves nothing. Steelers turned him loose because he wasn't good there. Pickett fought hard and "forced his way out" to go to Cleveland? Really? Check your logic board on this one

Steelers just made him a backup.. he forced his way out…to be a backup here….not even to be a starter here. It just happened last season here. Shouldn’t be anything a single fan here should argue against can’t/won’t/doesn’t happen.

33 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I disagree. It's what sports is about. If players don't play as a team and just as individuals,your team is bankrupt on the field and will not see success regardless of how much you spend

Yes it is what sports is all about, but the NFL stopped being a sports business approximately 50 years ago. It has been a "selling time” business ever since the ‘70’s.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree 100% with what you are saying, but Howie chose to include DT-R in the trade. What do you think Howie’s reason was for doing that?

So they would have 3 QBs going into the draft.

Just now, mattwill said:

Yes it is what sports is all about, but the NFL stopped being a sports business approximately 50 years ago. It has been a "selling time” business ever since the ‘70’s.

You know this... but you had no clue that Dallas was coined Americas team in the 70s? Really?

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I agree 100% with what you are saying, but Howie chose to include DT-R in the trade. What do you think Howie’s reason was for doing that?

Because at the time McKee had not really proven himself yet(he was QB 3 remember?) and any rookie we drafted(or UDFA'd) would not have any immediate impact where we took them. So Howie wanted a QB with at least some NFL experience(as Pickett had) and another draft choice never hurts

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then you can never successfully own a sports franchise because you don't understand it's a team sport unlike golf. boxing or tennis which is an individual sport. The "orgasm" is lifting the Lombardi, nothing else matters and it's a trophy you can't buy with a checkbook

But in the NFL … where the owners share the league revenue, how does the satisfaction of lifting the Lombardi affect that owner’s share of the pot?

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You are correct. That is what the fans care about, but the fans are only minor customers of the NFL. The NFL’s major/largest customers are the broadcasters and the companies paying to advertise their products and services. They know that for every one team with the trophy there are 31 teams without that trophy. So they don’t care about trophies.

The fans are why the advertisers pay big money for, the viewership. NFL Europe flopped because?????(they didn't have the fan base),The WNBA loses money annually because they don't have the fan base