8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Semantics... Tank is here because Shipley is hurt. Probably didn't put him on IR to give away the need and give Jax the leverage to ask for more. I believe he is allowed to go on IR and they can retro it back to the KC game if needed. We shall see.

But I don't care about the technical aspect of the roster spot...im more concerned of the function of the player...similar to not caring how anyone labels Ojomo...he functions as a DT in a 4 man front for most if not almost all his snaps, just like Tank is replacing Shipley , Tank isn't a FB.

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Baun blitzed once...hit him clean...they got a short completion out of it.

Are you sure. Baun certainly pass rushed, but I suspect either Smith or Hunt dropped off into coverage rather than rushing the passer.

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just like I don't care about how the Eagles manipulate the practice squad. We know now for a few years that PS players can play in games..guys will come and go...put on the 53 and then released ..and then on the PS...and then off the PS. Then on again...then maybe cut again....too many times to count.

FWIW, so far Howie has had 23 different players on the 17-man Practice Squad. Gabe Hall will almost surely be #24.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

The power of Culture …

No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

Never said Ojomo was a NT....simply pointing out...he will lineup next to one other interior DL on most of his snaps.. which is basically the role of a DT in a 4 man front. That's how the Eagles run their front for the most part. When Ojomo plays . He will be next to one of Carter or Davis or one of the other DTs...with 2 edges outside... the basic fundamentals of a 4 man line.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

So you agree then that it can't be a 3-4...if there aren't the 3 interior DL on the field in the first place...the line will function like a 4 man front.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Are you sure. Baun certainly pass rushed, but I suspect either Smith or Hunt dropped off into coverage rather than rushing the passer.

Was a blitz....he came from the LB spot. .starting well behind the line... they could have dropped someone in coverage

Again .. technical anal BS...or do we concern ourselves with the relevant function?

If a safety rushed the QB....does it really matter if a DE drops back into coverage? The blitz itself refers to the element of surprise being rushed from an unexpected source.... does it really matter the number of rushers?

If the call is a double corner blitz....but Carter and Davis drop back into coverage. ... do ee really want to be the kid that gets wedgies because " technically it's not a blitz " or do we understand the reality of the situation?

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

FWIW, so far Howie has had 23 different players on the 17-man Practice Squad. Gabe Hall will almost surely be #24.

That's awesome...it means so much to me. Again it's not a new element...the PS is a revolving door...because the needs can change week to week... and they also want to keep as many of these players in the loop and under some kind of control.

Very good strategy that isn't new. We should expect this by now...and we should expect to lose a player to another team during this process. It is what it is. More than half won't see the field anyway.

39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

Imagine how good 2024 could have finished if we were actually building something 🙄🙄

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So you agree then that it can't be a 3-4...if there aren't the 3 interior DL on the field in the first place...the line will function like a 4 man front.

I see most of the formations as 4-2-5

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

base" defense? Is it the default 4-3 or 3-4?

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

Lord help us if we actually attempt to improve and develop as the season goes along

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

It has 12 players as starters on D

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It has 12 players as starters on D

Actually has 14..with combining Adooree and Bennett for one spot. Combining Sidney and Mukuba at another.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Never said Ojomo was a NT....simply pointing out...he will lineup next to one other interior DL on most of his snaps.. which is basically the role of a DT in a 4 man front. That's how the Eagles run their front for the most part. When Ojomo plays . He will be next to one of Carter or Davis or one of the other DTs...with 2 edges outside... the basic fundamentals of a 4 man line.

I would agree if Fangio ran his front like a 4-3, but he doesn’t. He runs it like a 2-4 with OLBs rather than 4-3 style DEs.

But that again is talking about role/position … as opposed to roster slot.

Your posts in this conversation have consistently focused on roles. So let’s look at the roles of the four players in Fangio’s front. Are the two edge players (A) in the role and physical mold of a 4-3 Defensive End or (B) the role and physical mold of a 3-4 Outside Linebacker?

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So you agree then that it can't be a 3-4...if there aren't the 3 interior DL on the field in the first place...the line will function like a 4 man front.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Was a blitz....he came from the LB spot. .starting well behind the line... they could have dropped someone in coverage

Again .. technical anal BS...or do we concern ourselves with the relevant function?

If a safety rushed the QB....does it really matter if a DE drops back into coverage? The blitz itself refers to the element of surprise being rushed from an unexpected source.... does it really matter the number of rushers?

If the call is a double corner blitz....but Carter and Davis drop back into coverage. ... do ee really want to be the kid that gets wedgies because " technically it's not a blitz " or do we understand the reality of the situation?

Yes it is technical analysis BS. With an ILB rushing while an OLB drops back, it is effectively a stunt rather than a blitz. Stunts have just as much "element of surprise” as blitzes have.

6 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I see most of the formations as 4-2-5

Or even 2-4-5.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

So for you it's what is listed on a chart. Not so much what happens on the field.

That is why i asked the question. It isn’t as simple now... before the chart and what teams played the most was the same thing. We all agreed on what the base defense was. There was a clear front 7...

Now, due to how teams play, it can have different definitions of what people call a base D... I don't think a front 7 exists much anymore.

Who would you consider our front 7? The starting 11?

Then I would ask, who is the starting 4 in the secondary? The big question, do you consider DeJean ( a guy who doesn't come off the field) a starter? If so, who would not be a starter? The other outside CB or the other safety ( we agree Q and Blankenship are starters)

It is an interesting question.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

So for you it's what is listed on a chart. Not so much what happens on the field.

That is why i asked the question. It isn’t as simple now... before the chart and what teams played the most was the same thing. We all agreed on what the base defense was. There was a clear front 7...

Now, due to how teams play, it can have different definitions of what people call a base D... I don't think a front 7 exists much anymore.

Who would you consider our front 7? The starting 11?

Then I would ask, who is the starting 4 in the secondary? The big question, do you consider DeJean ( a guy who doesn't come off the field) a starter? If so, who would not be a starter? The other outside CB or the other safety ( we agree Q and Blankenship are starters)

It is an interesting question.

I agree … not a front seven, but rather a front six.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lord help us if we actually attempt to improve and develop as the season goes along

Like last year when the rest of the world could see it week to week with one glitch vs Carolina ( which was an easy trap game)

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

That depth chart is made up by the PR department of the Eagles, not the coaches.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It has 12 players as starters on D

Right.. which we know only 11 can be on the field. So it should be obvious that we will now how different views on a starting 11.. a base defense etc.

I mean because of a chart and the size of Ojomo's butt, there is a discussion with different points of view... meanwhile on the other hand, he lines up with his hand in the dirt, as one of two DL that play between the tackles...with one edge guy on either side... the exact function of a DT on a 4 man line... that isn't up for debate...that is how he functions.

If you drew up a 4 man front on paper.. on a chalkboard... he stands exactly where a DT would... in a 3 point stance...but yet some don't view him as that..because of either a chart or his butt size.

It looks like a duck...it quacks like a duck... but the chart says it's a chicken. What is it?

Dude walks down the street in a dress and calls himself a female. It's not the same world as before.

I mean to me, you could say that we have a 4 man front that identifies as a 3 man front. Very fitting in 2025

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your posts in this conversation have consistently focused on roles. So let’s look at the roles of the four players in Fangio’s front. Are the two edge players (A) in the role and physical mold of a 4-3 Defensive End or (B) the role and physical mold of a 3-4 Outside Linebacker?

I've never been concerned with size and labels. Nolan Smith plays an edge in a 4 man front. At very minimal times...they will stick a 3rd interior DL between the tackles .

So basically...Nolan Smith going one on one with the OT is his job... holding the edge. Similar to Reggie White... doesn't matter the size...the function is what matters.