2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

I can see us moving up for Mitchell or Arnold and I'd be more than OK with that. Don't see us moving back. Would like Guyton if that's the guy Lane's picked to come to Stout U

 

I move for DeJean. He's the best fit IMO and if Howie wants to "shock and awe" he breaks tradition and "does the right thing". If DeJean is there at 16, I trade with the Hawks. It would be better if we took the risk and waited until 18 for Dejean and traded with Cincy. The RG spot is very fixable with a guy in round 2(like Beebe). 22 to 16 would be the biggest lift I would do though. Could be either the Hawks or Cincy trades up for Bowers with the Jets

DeVonta Smith has been pumping iron so much they are calling him Swole Batman. Said he’s up to 190

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d be for that for sure. Can’t see it happening though. But maybe…just maybe…our D being so disgustingly bad in pass coverage last season forces Rosie’s hand. Can the fact we were 31st in pass D overpower Rosie to finally compel him he needs to grab that quality DB finally? One can hope.

I think he would have drafted CB a few times if the opportunity presented itself.  I think we would have the CB from Denver if he was there.

This year I would assume he has trade targets to move up for... specifically CBs... not WR or TE.  That's why if a trade is made...it will be for a specific player and not just a spot to get 5th or whatever rated player on their board!

But I think the biggest improvement on the defense would be less of this...

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d be for that for sure. Can’t see it happening though. But maybe…just maybe…our D being so disgustingly bad in pass coverage last season forces Rosie’s hand. Can the fact we were 31st in pass D overpower Rosie to finally compel him he needs to grab that quality DB finally? One can hope.

I would actually like to see us nab 2 of them and a LB as well even if 2/3 of those require a years wait. I would like DeJean(123's boy). He will succeed in the NFL no matter who gets him. Secondary and O line should be the highest priorities. If he did well in camp,.there is no reason Dejean can't contribute out of the gate. But this is Howie we're talking about and I feel I will be disappointed that he ignores those positions like always. Even at 22,50,53 there is no reason we cannot get good players. I seriously want Ainias Smith in the slot. He's gettable as a late round WR and could impact next year,even getting a few reps in this next year. I would also like a TE to work with since previous choices have not seemed to climb the ladder to solid #2 status. We need to keep bringing those in until we find someone who can step up. We also need to add a RB in the draft and pick up another FA. I was sorry to see Scott go,he was at least a solid BU. But time to give another young guy a shot and there are nice RB's to steal with a late pick. It's kind of weird for me not to be looking at top WR's because we already have 2 and that's what I am best at. That being said,I wish Harrison the best,he's going to be outstanding if he has a decent QB. 3 WR's I have targeted. Smith as I mentioned, Malik Washington and as a REAL late pick,Tahj Washington from USC. Any of those 3 would be serviceable in the slot going forward

35 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think he would have drafted CB a few times if the opportunity presented itself.  I think we would have the CB from Denver if he was there.

This year I would assume he has trade targets to move up for... specifically CBs... not WR or TE.  That's why if a trade is made...it will be for a specific player and not just a spot to get 5th or whatever rated player on their board!

But I think the biggest improvement on the defense would be less of this...

yeah this was AWFUL and we kept doing it anyway. I understand you don't want to get beat deep,but giving away free first down's is just as bad lol

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024  Right now they have him falling in our laps at 22,which would be more than fine by me

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

DeVonta Smith has been pumping iron so much they are calling him Swole Batman. Said he’s up to 190

I like Smith he has a good work ethic. Doesn't lip off,just does his job quietly. Any weight and strength added would make him just that much better.

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024  Right now they have him falling in our laps at 22,which would be more than fine by me

I think Wiggins will be a good CB. But not the right guy we need there.

If you are a step ahead on the thinking here this draft you are realizing which players are likely to be cut loose during or after the draft. Swift trade. CGJ trade. Those type examples and more. Several quality options are coming up to bring in these vets. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alvin-kamara-wins-fishing-tournament-in-florida/ar-AA1npgIT?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e6626f26478d4aafa82e3ca690f69a29&ei=37

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you are a step ahead on the thinking here this draft you are realizing which players are likely to be cut loose during or after the draft. Swift trade. CGJ trade. Those type examples and more. Several quality options are coming up to bring in these vets. 

Sure,but we need youth not more old men injections. And who cuts youth unless they are 2nd rate?

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Wiggins will be a good CB. But not the right guy we need there.

Why I choose DeJean. I just read an article about owners and such mocks and us taking Latu had the most votes

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you are a step ahead on the thinking here this draft you are realizing which players are likely to be cut loose during or after the draft. Swift trade. CGJ trade. Those type examples and more. Several quality options are coming up to bring in these vets. 

Hmmm....  is it being a step ahead though?   Because I recall you saying Howie was lucky that guys became available 2 years ago???   

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hmmm....  is it being a step ahead though?   Because I recall you saying Howie was lucky that guys became available 2 years ago???   

Gathering information is the game. I’ve already been hearing about plenty of talented options expected to shake loose for varying reasons. To get us to Championship Roster levels right now…we are definitely going to need some luck.

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why I choose DeJean. I just read an article about owners and such mocks and us taking Latu had the most votes

Could totally see Rosie going Edge. First position that arrived to my brain with any discussion of Rosie trading up.

20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure,but we need youth not more old men injections. And who cuts youth unless they are 2nd rate?

We need enough talented players to win the SB. I’ll take any and all the above that gets us there.

But if the plan is to clear cap and get much younger rebuilding? I can get behind that also.

Got this kid,which makes me lose faith in highlight reels LOL 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could totally see Rosie going Edge. First position that arrived to my brain with any discussion of Rosie trading up.

So far you've seen "Rosie" go in every possible direction. I suppose I have also. Mocks are all over the place, only Howie know what Howie will do

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We need enough talented players to win the SB. I’ll take any and all the above that gets us there.

We had enough before,we had enough last year. How long can Howie keep giving Hurts weapons and O line until he gets us home???? It's "make it or break it" for me on Hurts.He''s turning into Dak who can't win the big games with arguably a better offense than Dak gets. Sorry you don't like my opinion,but it is still my opinion. Lurie's patience will run out after this year after the "tail between the legs" embarrassment he had to endure in TB last year. I will give you that the D needs to be alot better,yet the PPG dropped from the previous year and there is little excuse for that. 53 guys and the coaching staff have ONE JOB and that is to make Lurie look good. Get it done. I want the Tush push to be ONE play we have not our entire 4th down offense. We shouldn't need that play at ALL-EVER

I wish Hurts the best,but he needs to step up and be an NFL QB now. Playtime is over and now it's Showtime.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could totally see Rosie going Edge. First position that arrived to my brain with any discussion of Rosie trading up.

It's a "Howie pick" that's for sure. So is Oline. if it was me I would take Dejean,but we know that is only an outside chance and would be a HUGE leap of faith for Howie

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So far you've seen "Rosie" go in every possible direction. I suppose I have also. Mocks are all over the place, only Howie know what Howie will do

Nope…always been in the trenches. But ever since the season ended I’ve believed Oline highest probability. Been exactly the same the whole time from me.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But if the plan is to clear cap and get much younger rebuilding? I can get behind that also.

We still have what, 28 million to spend if we want? We added Bark, CJG, Huff (yes I get the trade off with Riddick) Re-signed Smith,added Parker and Paris to at least TRY and get some slot production. Added some depth. Lost failed coaches and replaced them. Howie earned every dollar of his pay. I'm hoping Moore can get some passing from Hurts. he has the weapons. Bark is also an outlet in lieu of having TE2,so that should help Hurts also. IDK what else can be done,It's time to WIN and is expected now 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope…always been in the trenches. But ever since the season ended I’ve believed Oline highest probability. Been exactly the same the whole time from me.

LOL right you also said Wiggins,and DeJean and even toyed with WR (which even I did not) You and I both toyed with Bowers after Joe brought him up