4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Gathering information is the game. I’ve already been hearing about plenty of talented options expected to shake loose for varying reasons. To get us to Championship Roster levels right now…we are definitely going to need some luck.

But is it luck...or being one step ahead back when it happened in 2022?   

You didn't give Howie credit then... you needed the puzzle completed way earlier.   Now you are saying it would be a one step ahead move?

Is it because you missed guys potentially being available 2 years ago...so it was luck then...but the bleacher reports that you are reading now are throwing out the rumors?  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope…always been in the trenches. But ever since the season ended I’ve believed Oline highest probability. Been exactly the same the whole time from me.

OL makes the most sense.   We aren't sure about the starter at RG.   We need depth.  It's also a position they prioritize. 

That's without adding Lane is turning 34 soon.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I thought Hurts had those miraculous Intangibles? We need him to use those now

So part of the " noise " ....that's what I'll call the stuff coming out from reports... coming from the local media is Hurts demeanor last year after games.   The idea about locker rooms being happy after wins, but Hurts constant complaining about " not playing to the standard etc. was apparently rubbing some of the players the wrong way.

So.... the welcome to the league moment is definitely here...people criticize the way you say hello and tie your shoe when you get there.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree with that. Not what happened at all though. Frankly could have so very easily started last season 0-4…or worse. Pulled out victories from the jaws of defeat seemingly every week to start the season. 

Tampa the defense dominated... wasn't that game 2 or 3?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve seen him perform. Can’t wait to see even more of it. If he didn’t get injured two seasons ago he should have been MVP. I predicted this path long ago even. Nothing shocking for me. This has been an obvious side effect of Rosie’s ways. Was hoping having that steal of getting Carter in the draft could have maybe positively changed  things from this Rosie cycle. 2016 through 2020. Really seems like a close repeat of results again. This season would mirror our 2019 team if so. Hope not. Roster isn’t finished yet even. 

2019 season was winning the division...and the QB setting franchise record with Greg Ward is his best WR! 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Then I’ll hope Siri doesn’t have control enough to try and make Gainwell the week one starter again. Baby steps.

Siri is going to out a guy on the last year of a minimum contract ahead of a guy we have for 3 years and big money.    Dude that has all around game?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So part of the " noise " ....that's what I'll call the stuff coming out from reports... coming from the local media is Hurts demeanor last year after games.   The idea about locker rooms being happy after wins, but Hurts constant complaining about " not playing to the standard etc. was apparently rubbing some of the players the wrong way.

So.... the welcome to the league moment is definitely here...people criticize the way you say hello and tie your shoe when you get there.

My point was Hurts is out of excuses although Ham will keep making them. It's time to perform. Yeah we lost Kelce,Bark offsets that to some degree. Hurts can't hide behind HOFers forever,he needs to play QB not a running back who can throw, Ham fails to understand this. The tush push should be utilized rarely. If you have a QB,you don't need to use that play much. Gains is fine as a COP RB. We will add another somewhere. With Bark it's not too pressing. We will see if Jurgens can handle the job. I understand about getting the RG,but we can get that in round 2. Beebe would be fine. We need that secondary player injection(maybe more than 1). I'm hoping we get DeJean and Beebe in round 2. If Howie is not going after DeJean,then Latu. Round 2 is fine to add to the RG competition. Still good player even in round 4. This class is really deep with talent. Some round 4 guys we can get are actually round 3 or higher in some other drafts. it's a very good class. We need to just choose wisely and make the trades up or down and I'm confident Howie will do his best. Some lifts are just too high no matter how bad we want a guy. TE2 and slot WR should come in somewhere. Round 5 we can get lots of depth guys or those that need polish but still have the talent. We are also very good at signing UDFA's. Some work out,some don't but we are good at grabbing the best UDFA's. I could see a RB and maybe a QB in that group as well as some more depth players to try out. I just hope this goes well again. It would be hard NOT to get a good player at 22 or wherever Howie wants to go. I would prefer we trade back for additional picks after the first round 2 selection(which I hope is Beebe). All we can do is wait,but with basically the entire offense returning sans Kelce but with the addition of Bark,Hurts needs to play QB now,that was my point

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

OL makes the most sense.   We aren't sure about the starter at RG.   We need depth.  It's also a position they prioritize. 

That's without adding Lane is turning 34 soon.

Yeah. All I am wondering is how they are scoring them. If Beebe is "about the same" as Guyton, then we should go to him in round 2 and use the 1 for something else and let Guyton go past.. Of course if the separation is so vast that it matters ALOT,then we go Guyton at 22. We just aren't privvy to how they have them ranked and rated. DeJean would be a welcome sight in my view. It goes against Howies grain,but the talent is hard to blow off and it's a sore spot we could use to fix and keep going. DeJean is a good fit here and a guy that can be around as we replace some of the aging other guys in the secondary. I think it would be a wise move to do that.but IDK what Howie thinks. He's done well the last few drafts so whatever he thinks must be the best. We have guys on the rope such as Kneeland and Mahogany as later choices if we miss on others,so that plan B is already there. I know we had my boy Ainias Smith in who would be a perfect slot choice and another WR. Stats show we select 67% of the players we have in for personal visits. DeJean was 1 of them as was Beebe and Latu. So DeJean,Latu and Guyton should be one of those 3 with Beebe in round 2. If we miss on DeJean I like Bullard at S in round 2 with Beebe At any rate with 22,50 and 53 we will get 3 good players and that's pretty good. Ainias Smith is the best slot guy,maybe we can get him in 5 unless they feel the need to add him in 4. it's going to be a fun draft and very busy in round 1

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/21/lions-draft-prospect-profile-javon-bullard-scouting-report/     If we go O line in 1,I like this kid in 2 or TJ Tampa. Either of those would be great picks

Trading back the 22 I got.........

26.

Cooper DeJeanS Iowa

50.

Byron Murphy IIDT Texas

53.

Cooper BeebeOG Kansas State

57.

Ben SinnottTE Kansas State

171.

Ainias SmithWR Texas A&M

172.

Joe Milton IIIQB Tennessee

181.

Tommy EichenbergLB Ohio State

185.

Kitan OladapoS Oregon State

210.

Carson SteeleRB UCLA

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah. All I am wondering is how they are scoring them. If Beebe is "about the same" as Guyton, then we should go to him in round 2 and use the 1 for something else and let Guyton go past.. Of course if the separation is so vast that it matters ALOT,then we go Guyton at 22. We just aren't privvy to how they have them ranked and rated. DeJean would be a welcome sight in my view. It goes against Howies grain,but the talent is hard to blow off and it's a sore spot we could use to fix and keep going. DeJean is a good fit here and a guy that can be around as we replace some of the aging other guys in the secondary. I think it would be a wise move to do that.but IDK what Howie thinks. He's done well the last few drafts so whatever he thinks must be the best. We have guys on the rope such as Kneeland and Mahogany as later choices if we miss on others,so that plan B is already there. I know we had my boy Ainias Smith in who would be a perfect slot choice and another WR. Stats show we select 67% of the players we have in for personal visits. DeJean was 1 of them as was Beebe and Latu. So DeJean,Latu and Guyton should be one of those 3 with Beebe in round 2. If we miss on DeJean I like Bullard at S in round 2 with Beebe At any rate with 22,50 and 53 we will get 3 good players and that's pretty good. Ainias Smith is the best slot guy,maybe we can get him in 5 unless they feel the need to add him in 4. it's going to be a fun draft and very busy in round 1

What if  Beebe goes early 2nd round?

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So part of the " noise " ....that's what I'll call the stuff coming out from reports... coming from the local media is Hurts demeanor last year after games.   The idea about locker rooms being happy after wins, but Hurts constant complaining about " not playing to the standard etc. was apparently rubbing some of the players the wrong way.

So.... the welcome to the league moment is definitely here...people criticize the way you say hello and tie your shoe when you get there.

How we were 10-1 yet far from playing well enough to get anywhere..or really playing all that well…especially weren’t playing as a cohesive team? Pointing out that kind of stuff. Like about how each week just escaping with wins could so easily flip into losing to any team in the league.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

2019 season was winning the division...and the QB setting franchise record with Greg Ward is his best WR! 

So hopefully the cowboys completely fall apart so we can win the division like that team did. What was it 9 wins? 

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What if  Beebe goes early 2nd round?

Beebe isn’t close to Guyton in our ranking. I believe Guyton is higher on our board than anybody else in the leagues board.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So hopefully the cowboys completely fall apart so we can win the division like that team did. What was it 9 wins? 

Cowboys lost a few pieces right?   They had the easier schedule last year... this year not so much.   These are absolutely factors. I don't think they need to go anywhere... I know you have an agenda...but reality was Dallas wasn't better last year.    You could even argue the mistake in the Detroit game from the refs gave them the division. 

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Beebe isn’t close to Guyton in our ranking. I believe Guyton is higher on our board than anybody else in the leagues board.

Our board is irrelevant if a player gets taken before we pick. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Cowboys lost a few pieces right?   They had the easier schedule last year... this year not so much.   These are absolutely factors. I don't think they need to go anywhere... I know you have an agenda...but reality was Dallas wasn't better last year.    You could even argue the mistake in the Detroit game from the refs gave them the division. 

Cowboys were better last year. I can’t stand to admit it. But to say I’d think otherwise would just be a lie. Cowboys were the number one O. We were totally setup to win the division even still. Eagles were totally setup to overachieve.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Our board is irrelevant if a player gets taken before we pick. 

Guyton might not be there at 53. Believe an eventual capable T is even that high on the overall leagues board. Eagles could take him at 22 though.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Cowboys were better last year. I can’t stand to admit it. But to say I’d think otherwise would just be a lie. Cowboys were the number one O. We were totally setup to win the division even still. Eagles were totally setup to overachieve.

They play KC and we play the Chargers ...you think they end up with better record? 

Not to mention the awful mistake by the refs vs Detroit.  

The physical toll the KC game took right before the physical Buffalo game... vs their easy game vs LA...huge factor. 

It's not as simple as just looking at the record.  Eye test the Cowboys were not better.  

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They play KC and we play the Chargers ...you think they end up with better record? 

Not to mention the awful mistake by the refs vs Detroit.  

The physical toll the KC game took right before the physical Buffalo game... vs their easy game vs LA...huge factor. 

It's not as simple as just looking at the record.  Eye test the Cowboys were not better.  

Eye test Cowboys were way better. Record wise it was close. We just kept finding ways to win to start 10-1.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They play KC and we play the Chargers ...you think they end up with better record? 

Not to mention the awful mistake by the refs vs Detroit.  

The physical toll the KC game took right before the physical Buffalo game... vs their easy game vs LA...huge factor. 

It's not as simple as just looking at the record.  Eye test the Cowboys were not better.  

Whelp now we have that OC that had their O massively underachieving.

KC wasn’t nearly as good midseason as where they finally developed into.

Chiefs beat the Chargers by a field goal a couple of games before we got them. Then beat them by one at the end.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What if  Beebe goes early 2nd round?

We had other guys in like Mahogany and Zinter from Michigan,those are pure G's and we also had other OT's in, it would not be the end of the world

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Beebe isn’t close to Guyton in our ranking. I believe Guyton is higher on our board than anybody else in the leagues board.

How do you know what "our rankings" are? You have no clue what they are