6 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Why are you so opposed to a player trying to help to begin with. It is what you want players helping each other. Wicks has experience in the system you should want him trying to help guys learn it. No matter how you want to look at it Mannion can’t talk to everyone single O player on every single snap all the time not possible there is what 40-50 guys on offense running plays right now.

Got the 1s, 2s, 3s practice squad guys it’s a 90 man roster and half those are on O if not more. In the classroom yea Mannion should be discussing everything with everyone but on the field can’t be available to all the players needs everyone helping out he can get

I said I wasn't going to lose sleep over it, chill out dude LOL

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Probably how any article you read ( that I haven't seen locally) was presented.

Like where reality is Wicks simply adding his 2 cents... maybe the article embellished and made it sound like Wicks was " telling" " commanding" ...or any other forceful words ...to make it seem like something worth writing about when nothing was really there.

Yeah, agreed it could be embellished, they made it sound like Wicks was leading the WR group telling them what to do. Writers have to embellish I guess,anyway doesn't matter, much in June LOL

6 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Why are you so opposed to a player trying to help to begin with. It is what you want players helping each other. Wicks has experience in the system you should want him trying to help guys learn it. No matter how you want to look at it Mannion can’t talk to everyone single O player on every single snap all the time not possible there is what 40-50 guys on offense running plays right now.

Got the 1s, 2s, 3s practice squad guys it’s a 90 man roster and half those are on O if not more. In the classroom yea Mannion should be discussing everything with everyone but on the field can’t be available to all the players needs everyone helping out he can get

Welp, that's why you have assistant coaches to do that stuff. It's no big deal I'm done talking about it

His 172 total TDs is 6^th-most in NFL history by a quarterback in his first 82 career starts.

Will Shipley looks to finally have a coach can utilize him much more. Says he was a huge target last day of OTA. Five targets relying on him.

Pierce was a hot fantasy commodity his first year. Maybe he can ressurect his career here as a BU anyhow

Elijah Mitchell also. As far as I'm concerned Shipley can hit the bricks

Brendan Sorsby declared for the supplemental draft. Not sure I’d touch him but the rumors are already out there that the Eagles might have interest in him.

Talent wise he likely a 1st round guy who we could get for a 2nd or 3rd round pick(and we have extra) but the off the field stuff plus we have a full QB room already

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Brendan Sorsby declared for the supplemental draft. Not sure I’d touch him but the rumors are already out there that the Eagles might have interest in him.

Talent wise he likely a 1st round guy who we could get for a 2nd or 3rd round pick(and we have extra) but the off the field stuff plus we have a full QB room already

Yeah big gambling addiction. The talent is there, the culture is not. We'd have time to work with him, but you are right which QB do you cut? Curious, does a supplemental pick have to go on the 53(since you technically used a future draft pick?) Dalton seems like he in a battle for the 2. If we picked up this kid our new QB would be forced onto the PS

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Elijah Mitchell also. As far as I'm concerned Shipley can hit the bricks

Shipley definitely has been irrelevant so far...but he is a cheap contract under team control for 2 years which is a plus for remaining on the roster.

We were spoiled having a backup the level of Gainwell all those years for the same inexpensive price, with his versatility etc. His 2 years at $14 mil current contract with Tampa shows that, but that's not a common occurrence.

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah big gambling addiction. The talent is there, the culture is not. We'd have time to work with him, but you are right which QB do you cut? Curious, does a supplemental pick have to go on the 53(since you technically used a future draft pick?) Dalton seems like he in a battle for the 2. If we picked up this kid our new QB would be forced onto the PS

The same roster rules apply, so at cut down day he would either be on the 53 or be exposed to be picked up on waivers.

The assumption is we already have to trade Daulton or Mckee...or expose the rookie to waivers before trying to get him back on the PS.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The same roster rules apply, so at cut down day he would either be on the 53 or be exposed to be picked up on waivers.

The assumption is we already have to trade Daulton or Mckee...or expose the rookie to waivers before trying to get him back on the PS.

Ty for that explanation. Well, it's a strange deal even as things stand if there is no trade. We have Dalton and McKee battling for the 2. I think McKee would be upset if Dalton got the 2(but I understand it's a business). That being said, my thoughts are if the rook goes on the PS he would be snatched(although we can match any offers for him). I know QB3 may not matter, then again you know SF had to play a game with no QB when all 3 went down. rare for sure, but not impossible. McKee deserves a chance to start, Dalton is nearing the end of his career, so what do you do if Dalton is maybe slightly better? You could trade him, but if we did, the supplemental that still puts the rook on the PS and another rook with issues as the #3 on the roster. Kind of muddies things up even more. We could trade McKee AND Dalton, but that puts a rook as the #2. I don't see Howie doing that. What are they saying about this locally since all I get are "embellished" BS articles

I just don't see McKee signing again as a BU. Dalton would be the 2 then,but if we went supplemental we are back in the same boat with a green rook as the 3, but I suppose that is better then no QB if it got to that point. I think Howie likes a proven BU(we have 2 of those) and a rook to keep the QB factory going. Doing the supplemental means additional draft capital spent. So this will be an interesting decision coming

Putting McKee at QB3 would lower his trade value in my view, so we need to think about that also. As the 2 he could be worth more in a trade. IDK how many years Dalton has left, but McKee has a future still. Going the other way, if we put McKee as the 3 I doubt there would be any trade since it was apparent he wasn't as good as Dalton. Doing that could be cause for him to sign again for us as a BU. Very interesting. Howie has his hands full once again

59 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ty for that explanation. Well, it's a strange deal even as things stand if there is no trade. We have Dalton and McKee battling for the 2. I think McKee would be upset if Dalton got the 2(but I understand it's a business). That being said, my thoughts are if the rook goes on the PS he would be snatched(although we can match any offers for him). I know QB3 may not matter, then again you know SF had to play a game with no QB when all 3 went down. rare for sure, but not impossible. McKee deserves a chance to start, Dalton is nearing the end of his career, so what do you do if Dalton is maybe slightly better? You could trade him, but if we did, the supplemental that still puts the rook on the PS and another rook with issues as the #3 on the roster. Kind of muddies things up even more. We could trade McKee AND Dalton, but that puts a rook as the #2. I don't see Howie doing that. What are they saying about this locally since all I get are "embellished" BS articles

Didn't hear much at all about this. Conversation is about the alleged complaint from people in Hurts camp about the organization not having his back

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

Short version reply to this: wrong!

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

Nobody said anything about Wicks being equal expectations and talent to AJ. Nothing at all to do with that! Wicks is the WR with experience playing in this O. Which equates exactly to he’s the guy in the know of when others are screwing up. No doubt a consideration surrounding choosing to TARGET bringing Wicks in. It’s huge having any extra experience towards speeding up the learning curve involved taking on this completely differing O scheme.

Takes years to really get a strong hold on running this most advanced O football as ever witnessed.

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

To me Wicks represented the closest pure AJ replacement. See him as our X. We have issues if he doesn’t work out playing the X position in fact.

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

Lemon is ready to work the Slot rookie season. Not saying I’m doubting his ability to play other WR positions. Rookie season usually just about proving yourself NFL worthy. It’s a huge task for his first season to pile too much on him. At X…there’s the physicality playing on the line of scrimmage. Do believe he can handle that. But rookie season just such a massive upscale in the levels of grind for players bodies. Even call it The Rookie Wall.

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

Stowers was an I Called it player. Not just did I single him out personally…he was such the obvious guy Rosie was targeting. Yet….he’s played TE only three seasons. Undersized….super athletic…but far from polished TE techniques(like with everything). You aren’t going to be happy with Stowers production timeline though. As high as I am on this kid….its wrapped in his potential ceiling. Really doubtful it will be just a little time…as you stated the situation.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Stowers was an I Called it player. Not just did I single him out personally…he was such the obvious guy Rosie was targeting. Yet….he’s played TE only three seasons. Undersized….super athletic…but far from polished TE techniques(like with everything). You aren’t going to be happy with Stowers production timeline though. As high as I am on this kid….its wrapped in his potential ceiling. Really doubtful it will be just a little time…as you stated the situation.

It was a really weak pathetic draft class. In that key context Stowers was a fantastic decision. Absolutely elite athlete…but undersized and inexperienced.

Year one my projections for Stowers are incredibly minimal. He’s just not NFL ready. Not even sure he’ll be dressing every gameday.

On 6/14/2026 at 7:17 PM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes sense Wicks has been in the system so him trying to help guys out in lining up makes sense. Usually why you bring in these type of guys

He knows the O…just that simple. Nothing involved here about needing to be a HOF player.

FL another off part stated, all in just one post, about Wicks being such a reliable pass catcher. When drops would likely be the biggest negative and concern with Wicks. Feels like he’s been cleaning that area up each season. So plenty of evidence to believe he can catch reliably now..or going forward.

On 6/14/2026 at 6:38 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I am having thoughts about Wicks. Firstly, I want to know about the stories I heard about Wicks telling others they were "lining up wrong". IDK who elected him as WR room leader. His annual stats are like 400 yards. I mean it's not like he's mopping up defenses here, so how would he know about alignments on a team that has had SB appearances? OK so he worked with Mannion and??? secondly, he's nowhere near the caliber AJ was and Smitty blows his(Wicks) stats off the map. Also he's not really a guy who break tackles, he makes his catches and that's a good attribute(no drops is always nice) but if you are counting on a guy to "break one" he's not that guy. I will assume the baton is being passed to Smitty as the 1 as most have said. In actuality Wicks seems like more of a slot guy(like Wilson), but now we have Lemon apparently manning that space. I'm no pro, but it seems to me putting Smitty and Lemon out with Wicks in the slot would be a better way to use these guys. Maybe we do that or vary it. Possibly Wicks is merely a place holder and I guess if that is true I would feel better. But I just don't see him dictating to other guys who have been here on how to run a route or line up on a team we consistently seem to beat. Maybe he should be TAKING advice rather than giving it? IDK just seems a bit odd to me. I mean if Wicks stats were 1500 yards a year maybe he would have a point. 400 yards is like the janitor at GM telling the VP how to do his job. Most of Wicks "highlights" are vs a weak Vikes zone secondary, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Although he has experience in Mannion's O, that part should be on Mannion, not a(dare I say it?) 2nd rate WR. Wicks has a ton to prove to me. We have a ton of capable targets and we need to spread the ball around. Sorry, Wicks telling our guys what to do just bugs me a little. I appreciate his enthusiasm and I'll get over it I guess(but it's only a guess LOL). I thought we signed Wicks to a 2 year but I'm seeing it was only 1(prove it). So, I will be anxious to see how we use all these receivers. Lemon should be great right from the start. As Stowers learns and works his way in he will provide a whole new weapon after a little time. I'm going to watch the Canes. We can wrap up the Stanley Cup tonight in Vegas. Both teams are really good so I suspect we will see game 7 in Raleigh. We could use something to cheer about here in NC

See you were to busy looking to #Hurtshate. Wicks shot huge holes in your single minded agenda. Didn’t hint or suggest …but straight called out problem being players not in right alignment and/or running correct routes.

93-nice job selecting Stowers first as your TE of choice. Tough draft to mock this year, but we got the positions we needed to address. I kind of had TE choices all through the draft much like Howie had OT choices in every round of availability. I suspect Stowers will be a WIP, but we have Goedert back which is terrific news for Stowers having that pro in the room. With Stowers athleticism, I would hope to see Stowers get some play calls around mid season. IMO he still needs to show he is the future TE and there is only a way to do that