Mind you Tyler Shough has been putting in some fairly impressive performances to start the year and was coming on late last season as a rookie under Kellen Moore and his O.

So clearly it wasn’t Moore that couldn’t figure out the passing game.

So it’s either the QB or the HC

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

We both had better pray that the swinging gate at LG doesn't het Hurts Killed before he gets it figured out

That would end the season judging what we've seen from the backups

Josh Allen was hurried 29 times in the first two games. We hurried Daniels 19 times game 1.

Yet 4 hurries from Cam gets your panties in a bunch.

The QB makes 52 million... he can't handle a few pressures like the other QBs? Imagine if he was our QB in the 80s or early 90s?

Seriously our fan base seems to get more and more delusionally entitled each year.

Just now, joemas72 said:

Seriously our fan base seems to get more and more delusionally entitled each year.

Spoiled by great OL play for too long don’t even realize our OL playing poorly(by our standards) is still better then majority of the NFL still

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't know what to expect after losing to a 3rd string QB(who in fairness should be a 2 somewhere). Nacua could also play, although I doubt they even need him with Adams playing so well. Rams are solid everywhere on O and their pass rush is better than Chicagos

Are the 1-2 Rams your version of Ham's 49ers? It seems that way for some reason?

Jalen Hurts isn’t even in the top 10 most pressured QBs in the NFL right now. Allen, Stafford, Maye, Herbert, Love, Willis, Young, Caleb Williams…. All have been pressured more at least through the first 2 weeks

I don’t think the season will fall off the rails enough for it to matter but I am curious at what point would/should we play Cole Payton? Like if we are eliminated from the playoffs does it make more sense to play Payton?

I feel like at some point we have to figure out who the bigger issue is for this team Siri or Hurts….. I clearly believe it’s Hurts but fair share that think it’s Siri. And we can’t pinpoint one or the other if both are part of the equation on O

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The passing game has been the same the last 4 seasons. Wasn’t good with Johnson, Moore, KP, and it’s early but signs not looking great for it this season under Mannion.

2028

1 minute ago, joemas72 said:

2028

If Hurts is out 2028 you see Siri fired this year because i truly don’t see us running these two back next year if this season is lackluster the way I think it will be

Seth Joyner already spreading the rumor that Mannion is calling the plays in the booth so Siri can overrule him on the Mic.

So clearly it’s about to be another drama filled season that likely to end in a mediocre season

46 minutes ago, joemas72 said:

Are the 1-2 Rams your version of Ham's 49ers? It seems that way for some reason?

1-2, 2-1, Jean/joan It's not like we have some tremendous record going here. We slopped out 2 wins or we'd be 0-3 and easily could be. Rams look solid, we do not. We will be 2-2 after this next game. Usually the Bears game is a dogfight, our dog never made it off the porch and their 3rd string mutt, who hasn't played for eons, kicked our ass into the next zip code. The 9ers beat them in Australia and right now we'd lose to the 9ers too. I have no love for west coast teams, but they look organized while we appear JV. After the Rams we have the Jags and Panthers. Hopefully we get some guys back before then or we will be 2-4 before the Dullaz game, which right now we would also lose. While you speak about delusional our first 2 wins were just that. It's not like we have no talent here, I would be fine slopping out wins if that were the case, but it's not. We have many highly skilled and highly paid players that we can't get production from, Illusion or delusion? Your call

43 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If Hurts is out 2028 you see Siri fired this year because i truly don’t see us running these two back next year if this season is lackluster the way I think it will be

We hired BTB inexperienced first time OC's. JMO that is the problem. Now IDK if the experienced guys refused to take the OC job so we had no other options or if we chose those 2(well we know Siri liked Patullo) or that was all we had left. Patullo had a better group than Mannion has, but he changed the entire formula from what we had always run. No formula or scheme will be effective if your lines are sub par which is what we face right now on the O side. The D pass rush is not getting there with the highly paid players Howie got in or drafted, so IDK what the issue is on the pass rush, but clearly not what was expected. Need to find the reason they are underperforming. Sorry but I don't think the Rams game will be close at all unless we suddenly wake up from this slumbering start. Titans should have been a walk in the park not a last minute win with 9 seconds left. My preseason "excitement" vanished after seeing the same foolish flare screens fail time and time again yet we keep running them. Very foolish and predictable. If we continue to run that play we're going to be facing 3 and longs all year

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We hired BTB inexperienced first time OC's. JMO that is the problem.

Passing game didn’t work with experienced OV in Kellen Moore with arguably our most talented roster. Clearly over blaming the OCs now it’s clearly not the OCs

I put some blame on the offense as a whole struggling in the 2nd half against the Bears since Mannion decided to just abandon the run well before we fell down by 3 scores.

But the passing game hasn’t worked under 4 OCs now one of them won a SB for us and is looking like a pretty damn good HC for the Saints and has Shough passing all over the place

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No formula or scheme will be effective if your lines are sub par which is what we face right now on the O side

Pretty sure Hurts is like middle of the pack in pressure faced this season and the ground game has worked we just don’t stick with it…. Our OL play hasn’t been elite like we are used to but this is far from a bad group still numerous other teams have way worse OL play and still producing on offense

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The passing game has been the same the last 4 seasons. Wasn’t good with Johnson, Moore, KP, and it’s early but signs not looking great for it this season under Mannion.

Hurts is good at 1 thing, throwing the long ball

Other than that ..................

19 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Passing game didn’t work with experienced OV in Kellen Moore with arguably our most talented roster. Clearly over blaming the OCs now it’s clearly not the OCs

True. Still pointing to the QB position as the weakest link, with field vision his problem. How many WR's does it take waving their arms downfield wide open only to be ignored? But the issue now is the O line and an underperforming D line. Hopefully Grennard can make his presence known soon. I'm just not feeling anything coming from this team as a fan. Biggest plus is that we got Hurts running again which is why he was paid to begin with. We had solid everywhere and Hurts being a game manager was good enough. Lemon needs to show or he needs to be benched for Cooper. Go find Wicks, he's out there. Maybe we will at least have TE play with Goedert/Ertz back soon

21 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Pretty sure Hurts is like middle of the pack in pressure faced this season and the ground game has worked we just don’t stick with it…. Our OL play hasn’t been elite like we are used to but this is far from a bad group still numerous other teams have way worse OL play and still producing on offense

Yanking Hurts out for a "fake concussion protocol" sure effed up the game flow. If we would have scored there with Hurts it could have made a big difference. Not saying we would have won, but like I said we always have a good game with the Bears. Even with the beat up O line I think Bark had like 80 yards at the 1/2?

19 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Hurts is good at 1 thing, throwing the long ball

Other than that ..................

Well he needs to see Wicks. He was out there all alone waving his arms like AJ did with nobody within 10 yards of him, and Hurts didn't find him(easy 6). Hurts tends to lock on 1 guy(the called play) instead of seeing a better play forming. Always been one of my knocks against him. I have since dropped the Eagles defense in all fantasy leagues, they are just killing me as are our offensive guys. I even benched Barkley in 1 league. I selected alot of Eagles on my teams and they are hit or miss(mostly miss) lol. Now we have a tough 3 game stretch coming(4 if you think Dullaz can play)

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/landon-dickerson-cam-jurgens-commanders/751378/ Interesting. I did not know this. I hope Dickerson can make it back and hold up because he plans on playing many more years

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/landon-dickerson-cam-jurgens-commanders/751378/ Interesting. I did not know this. I hope Dickerson can make it back and hold up because he plans on playing many more years

I honestly hope we can let Dickerson rest for at least half the season don’t want to rush him back after 4 weeks…. But for that to happen Jurguens has to start figuring it out at LG in pass pro

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After what 3 years now I’m over The Who’s fault is it game for the passing game though is it Hurts or is it Siri.

Whether it’s Siri influencing to much of the O or Hurts unwillingly to truly adapt. Not sure the route breakdown but I do know the passing targets last week against the bears all favors throws to the outside almost none over the middle

We just need to stay in the game record wise right now. get everyone back so we can make a run later. I'm not all doom and gloom, but right now is a tough stretch for us. I hope Mannion will stop the flare screens. He has to know they don't work with the people we have,so try something else and stop repeating the same mistakes. Lemon has negative yards. He should be in the slot wreaking havoc in the middle of the field, even I can see that as a couch coach, not in the backfield

I want to see McKee or Payton( I don’t want to see Dalton) but maybe even Dalton just to see if the passing game looks different feels different etc.

I don’t think they are better then Hurts(Payton maybe could be with the right development but way to early) but I want to get the real issue in the passing game and that won’t happen as long as Siri/Hurts are both involved