8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Give it up man. He’s been showing plenty. Freaking fantastic record so far. Took us to the SB already at 25. He can improve. But we are so lucky to have him. Not many guys I’d trade him for. 

Give it up man,there is a finite window to succeed in. Hurts is in that window right now 

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So... how are we worse than 2023?

LB depth....you liked it better last year 

S depth...you liked it better last year?

RB depth....you liked it better last year?

WRs depth,.. you liked it better last year

QB depth....you liked it better last year

CB depth....you liked it better last year?

Coordinators... you liked it better in 2023?

No clue what he is complaining about. RG is a sore spot,the rest is doable if not fantastic. This is a better team than the SB team we had

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

As accurate as I’ve ever seen too. I agree on his understanding of the game. Exactly why I point out how he had Sean Payton to coach him. It doesn’t happen under Siri. 

Siri wasn't a HC then. What was Sean Paytons record his first 3 years as HC?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm Now make your comparisons

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SiriNi0.htm Yep Siri sucks alright(wrong) Does he have things to learn-sure all good coaches learn things every year they coach. Siri is no different. He complied a nice start to his career because Howie got the PLAYERS to do it. Siri gets outcoached at times,he got outcoached in the SB. he learned from it. But he needs a QB who doesn't make bonehead mistakes. That will help immensely

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm Now make your comparisons

Brees joined the Saints in 2006

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They traded a fortune for Trey Lance…if you remember

What did Caff cost.?

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

He will have the chances to win ..at least the next 3 seasons.   The team is his....that's where my head is at.   The job of QB for the Eagles will be Hurts the next 3 years...nobody else's.

You disagree?

I kind of disagree if this year stinks. I don't know much else Howe can do for Hurts that he hasn't done. Pickett in the wings(a pass first run later QB) and McKee who is an all out pocket passer which this team was built for IMO. Adding Bark takes the pressure of having to run off Hurts. There is no reason to hog the ball now. This year,maybe next year for a ring. I don't think Lure will stand for longer than that. Pickett is under contract for those 2 years. If Hurts can't get the job done, Howie will extend Pickett and start looking around for QB1(not sure Pickett is or can be one after the Steelers debacle) 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fangio is in charge of the D. Rosie had to get his guys. But Rosie always covers his own butt. 31st ranked pass D. What GM wouldn’t target DBs? Most draft and FA scouting has been clearly stating S and CB as top needs for a long time now. He at least traded for Slay…a year too late…but he did it. Obvious short coming of Rosie. It took being embarrassed putting the next to worst pass D out there to force his hand.

I can agree that Howie ignored those spots. IDK why he was so gun shy before,but now it seems he will be ok drafting D skill guys in the future. he learned,give him credit for that. Mitchell and DeJean need to succeed for him and they will

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Rosie bid a third round pick for him. But yes…they outbid us.

Howie is not going to win every battle. There are 31 other teams vying for the same players. Maybe he liked the weather better in SF,or maybe he has family there.Maybe he didn't want his car stolen in Philly Many things can do into a players decision

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts is the guy. You not realizing going into 2021 I can understand that you just weren’t picking up on things to realize he was the guy yet. But talking about Hurts needing to be the guy is just foolish. He’s clearly the guy.  Now he needs to give him what he needs to bring the parade. 

What tool on offense does Hurts NOT have right now???? Forget the D,that has nothing to do with Hurts play. Tell me what position Hurts can't exploit? Who else do you need where???

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly why he fell because he didn’t have the massive cannon arm and isn’t NFL QB tall. Runner up for the Heisman….so it shouldn’t ever have been a surprise. If teams could redo the draft he’d go much more than just round one.

Brady was a round 6. How was it he became so successful? Take your time. How good were the Pats after Brady left for TB?

First 3 years winning percentage Payton .521   Siri .667 You say it's not a stats game,but it IS. Siri needs more experience just like Sean had to do

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

He will have the chances to win ..at least the next 3 seasons.   The team is his....that's where my head is at.   The job of QB for the Eagles will be Hurts the next 3 years...nobody else's.

You disagree?

To be honest and frank….i don’t see Hurts as a player that will be capable of playing until he’s forty. His running and the wear and tear he seems to be put through already I’d think he’ll be lucky to make it to playing still when he’s 35.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To be honest and frank….i don’t see Hurts as a player that will be capable of playing until he’s forty. His running and the wear and tear he seems to be put through already I’d think he’ll be lucky to make it to playing still when he’s 35.

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

He’s our leader for the next decade

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

Pickett might get a shot week 18 if we don’t have anything to play for. But we know Siri will risk Hurts even then.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Brady was a round 6. How was it he became so successful? Take your time. How good were the Pats after Brady left for TB?

Garrapolo had them still winning quite nicely. But Bellicheat really blew the last several drafts.

 But first it started out with various and thorough levels of cheating. By knowing the D playcall ahead of time Brady seemed to really be an expert at reading the D. Jim Johnson even declared it’s like they are tapped into my headset…which they were. But first they had to steal an Eagles playbook. Then Brady had to make sure he deflated the balls so he could get a better grasp on the NFL sized football. Then they invented some tuck rule just for Brady to declare no way could he have fumbled and cost them the game. Then they brought a snow plow out to clear the conditions to make sure they won with their field goal. All along the league completely had the Brady officiating. No Oline were ever guilty of moving too early or holding.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

So the focus in the next few seasons to determine whether Rosie is a capable enough GM for us. We already kicked start in a big way building our new future D. Then next year hopefully we can land the big O minded coach to get us to the top in Slowik. Only have 8 mil cap money for next year at this point. So we need to save the leftover cap we now possess still and roll it over. Then really hit on next year’s FA and draft class. Don’t know if Saquan will still be an elite option three years from now….but probably his ceiling for positive returns on him.

I guess it would work out to use a little bit of this years cap if it goes towards extending any players that prove an excellent fit and worth keeping around longer.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

He overachieved by getting that weak cap strapped 2021 team to the playoffs after an abysmal Siri playcalling start that dug nearly an inescapable deep hole.

44 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the focus in the next few seasons to determine whether Rosie is a capable enough GM for us. We already kicked start in a big way building our new future D. Then next year hopefully we can land the big O minded coach to get us to the top in Slowik. Only have 8 mil cap money for next year at this point. So we need to save the leftover cap we now possess still and roll it over. Then really hit on next year’s FA and draft class. Don’t know if Saquan will still be an elite option three years from now….but probably his ceiling for positive returns on him.

The focus is on the next few season to win.   You worry about people's jobs. I'm focused on the team's results.   Hurts will be the QB the next wave here, which I look at 3 years with how his contract and the others on the team are set up.    3 years minimum.   I'm not saying 3 years MAX... my 3 years was for GB thinking he has one year to prove himself.   To me there is no proving... he is the guy that gets the opportunity to be the QB the next 3 plus seasons.  The plus is the unknown.    you say decade, God Bless... I go one contract at a time.  

I'm giving Ham a pass... with the stick he has up his arse about the coach.    He wants a " genius"   but he wants the " genius" to work with the QB who is in the league due to his running.

which "genius" OC has worked with a QB who was simply a runner?    Young was a capable pocket passer at least at the start of his career.   There wasn't " read option"  stuff back then.  Read option doesn't need an offensive genius.     Doug didn't want to be here with Hurts... didn't like the fit, so that isn't going to happen here.  We have a nice offensive mind as the OC now... just not the childhood friend of the QB.   

We all have our biases.... Ham likes a 1970s lockdown CB, I like a unit to cover all the guys, fits better with the new rules and where teams look for one matchup to exploit.    You like the offensive genius, but the running QB.   I'll take a QB that is in the league due to reading a defense and making throws... with a good game manager running the offense.  

If I never see the QB in shotgun and putting the ball in the RB's stomach and then making a mesh point decision...I'll be happy.  To me it will forever be amateur gimmick... I dont think it lasts much longer... let alone a decade for Hurts to be here.    Hurts is here until 2026-2028...lets worry about what he does for us, before worrying about " I called it" stuff.

This is about the Eagles as a team, not any one player.  

So how does a QB develop and become good at reading and understanding Ds?

Does any QB put up more passing stats and look better in a quality scheme with a quality O mind calling the good plays? Or do QBs typically learn better reading and understanding reading Ds from offensive minds that can’t adjust and figure out fairly basic and simple counters to DCs curveballs?

 Everybody knows and understands that it’s easier to grab the ‘tells’ about reading a D by utilizing motion. So would being massively the lowest O scheme utilizing motion help or hurt a QB reading the D?