6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you are unhappy with Howies last 3,drafts? People can still improve themselves. Howie did it. Don't care what happened 10 years ago

I take into account the whole track record. Then you can judge whether he’s improved or not. He adapted and reallly grew when he lost his job. He changed to listen to football people more. He’s great at wheeling and dealing come draft day…but he needs to rely on the football people to evaluate the talent.

If we're down 3 scores he already failed at doing what it takes

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I take into account the whole track record. Then you can judge whether he’s improved or not. He adapted and reallly grew when he lost his job. He changed to listen to football people more. He’s great at wheeling and dealing come draft day…but he needs to rely on the football people to evaluate the talent.

Apparently Howie studied up on defense this off season(as he should have). Totally went against his history and took TWO secondary players and Jalyz Hunt. He finally felt confident enough to either do it,or listen to those you mentioned. Either way is fine by me

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picks will kill you as we know. Chucking it up has its risks. He needs to make sure the odds are better than he has

He throws an incredibly precise catchable ball. Very consistent.

So the last 3 drafts,acquiring AJ and now Bark was all luck or chance? Seems to be a marked improvement after the blown Reagor call

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

He throws an incredibly precise catchable ball. Very consistent.

Then why all the picks?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

Hurts was untouched... he fumbled the ball right to the other team ....None of the other 10 guys had an opportunity to stop the defensive TD in the Superbowl.  That fumble was ALL HURTS.

The false start put them at 3rd and 6...didn't make Hurts fumble the ball.

Hurts blew vs the Giants 3 years ago...you never acknowledged...all you kept talking about was he made a decent throw at the end.

The Jets game... the O struggled.  At the end he threw a dumb pick...take a sack and we have a great chance to win...you are blind to this just talk anoint how nobody got open etc.

The safety vs Tampa...we all know nobody was open and he was being rushed ... but it was his mistake to make the sack more than 14 yards and back into the end zone.

YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE.  IN 4 YEARS YOU HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED HURTS OR BLAMED HIM FOR ANYTHING.  NEVER! 

We have 3000 pages on two message boards here.... I challenge you to find one specific play or aspect of Hurts that you held accountable!

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure it is, it's why he takes off more than most other QB's. He also holds the ball too long. If he is making more than 1 read I fail to see it,if read 1 is gone he will take off running

Yes you fail to see it. He does hold the ball. But what you are putting on Hurts was partly do to our O. So many long developing routes. He’s great at making the big plays. He’s always made them at as high a level of anybody across the league. But Johnson and Siri just really got stuck relying on him doing that all the time. That’s how teams figured us out. Don’t let Hurts escape and get over the top of the WR. They’re all going deep. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So many long developing routes.

Hurts can't throw "long developing routes" He doesn't have the arm so thats baloney there

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm just hoping Hurts gets into that more. I don't expect him to be Brees or Brady,but he needs to improve there

Sure he can improve plenty in seeing the NFL Ds and developing more areas of his passing game. What QB doesn’t need to add and improve on things each offseason? But I do see some of these issues that I believe have been generated from him having a new OC every single year of college and pros. Just how accustom can any QB get in a new O scheme in just one year?

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts can't throw "long developing routes" He doesn't have the arm so thats baloney there

45 yards and under. We can see many underthrown "deep" balls. So here's an idea,stop doing them hit the middle of the field and the more accurate mid range routes,but you have to get the ball out. If the routes are that short there is no reason to hold the ball 5 seconds

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

But he gets GM of the year,that's like the MVP QB.You can't get there being a moron

I don’t buy into that award. Just no way to judge any GM off one season. It’s an accumulation situation.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure he can improve plenty in seeing the NFL Ds and developing more areas of his passing game. What QB doesn’t need to add and improve on things each offseason? But I do see some of these issues that I believe have been generated from him having a new OC every single year of college and pros. Just how accustom can any QB get in a new O scheme in just one year?

You treat Hurts like he is a rookie. No team is going to have the perfect mix of coaches and players,the QB needs to adjust and make up for that.If Hurts is a leader he needs to show us now and he has a terrific team to do it with Yet you feel only 10 wins and sorry that's not good enough for me nor should it be for you

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then why all the picks?

Because it's a catch able for the defense 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

But he gets GM of the year,that's like the MVP QB.You can't get there being a moron

And he got real lucky on his best moves that year. He failed on so many ways actually to get the great moves. He struck out on all the WRs he wanted….to get AJ. He just didn’t do crap to man the S spot so terribly he was forced to make a trade. He was trading for a S regardless. Lucky CGJ was available. Bradberry fell into his lap.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lord, which GM jumped on the Bark situation and got the guy here? Howie has the inside track many times while others are asleep at the switch LOL. So we nearly got tagged for tampering,but where did bark end up?

Packers got Jacobs. Niners beat us out for McCaffrey. Would have game changing if Rosie pulled off that trade instead of the Niners beating him out for him. Think we need to see how Barkley plays out before the endless patting on the back. He’s been injured a bunch. Had a massive workload in college and the pros. He’s elite if he can stay healthy. But it’s gotta happen. I give full credit for the trade for Swift last season. That was a gem of a deal.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t buy into that award. Just no way to judge any GM off one season. It’s an accumulation situation.

Tell the people that vote for him LOL I don't decide that award

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And he got real lucky on his best moves that year. He failed on so many ways actually to get the great moves. He struck out on all the WRs he wanted….to get AJ. He just didn’t do crap to man the S spot so terribly he was forced to make a trade. He was trading for a S regardless. Lucky CGJ was available. Bradberry fell into his lap.

Oh all luck ok got it

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And he got real lucky on his best moves that year. He failed on so many ways actually to get the great moves. He struck out on all the WRs he wanted….to get AJ. He just didn’t do crap to man the S spot so terribly he was forced to make a trade. He was trading for a S regardless. Lucky CGJ was available. Bradberry fell into his lap.

But why is it luck for Howie...but if it the dude in SF, then he knows what he is doing?  It wasn't luck that Trent Williams was available?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And he got real lucky on his best moves that year. He failed on so many ways actually to get the great moves. He struck out on all the WRs he wanted….to get AJ. He just didn’t do crap to man the S spot so terribly he was forced to make a trade. He was trading for a S regardless. Lucky CGJ was available. Bradberry fell into his lap.

Or maybe he has feelers out always,to know when things present themselves? overpaying for the "WR's he wanted" just kills your other point about cap space. You are back to the dream team mentality

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMFAO see,this is what you do. Hurts didn't save ANY draft,please

Do you liked Rosie’s draft that season if you take out that second round pick? It stunk. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Packers got Jacobs. Niners beat us out for McCaffrey. Would have game changing if Rosie pulled off that trade instead of the Niners beating him out for him.

What did Caff cost again? Jacobs is better than Bark? Did SF get LUCKY Purdy worked out for them? Or would they have had to spend on a QB in place of Caff?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Packers got Jacobs. Niners beat us out for McCaffrey. Would have game changing if Rosie pulled off that trade instead of the Niners beating him out for him. Think we need to see how Barkley plays out before the endless patting on the back. He’s been injured a bunch. Had a massive workload in college and the pros. He’s elite if he can stay healthy. But it’s gotta happen. I give full credit for the trade for Swift last season. That was a gem of a deal.

And wasn't CMC injured a bunch before going to SF?   But they " beat us to the punch"  ?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

This is a pretty difficult statement to argue.    Is there anyone from the 2020 draft or UDFA still on the team ...other than Hurts? 

Terrible draft if he didn’t strike that second round pick gold mine. Lord knows what we  would be up to trying to get a QB. Life would probably suck. We maybe force taking one if those busts that others tried to desperately draft too high.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I posted because it was a football story and there isn't alot to talk about right now. You don't need to read nor respond if you don't want. I post Dullaz jokes on here also,I guess those need to cease as well

We’ve made it through the tough days pretty much. TC camp is just weeks away…yahoo