6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why wait and get into the "Dullaz" situation they have with Lamb? Extend them at or during their peaks,just good business

Two ways of looking at it though. Really been so many WR coming in most every draft. You could easily make the case that you could find a WR in the draft. WR money has become really big time pay. It’s a huge chunk of the cap. You could get both starting quality S and both starting off ball LBs for the price of Lamb. He’s freaking really really good. I’d pay him. But there are many ways to go about business. Dallas drafts so well. They consistently draft for needs that fill in right away.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I really think it depends on how this season goes. I mean if we don't make the playoffs IDK if he gets that many more years.If it goes badly Howie may start looking around next year. I get the money part,but Lurie had NP moving on from QB's(Bradford comes to mind as well as Wentz)

Yeah...the contract locks him in until at least 2027.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

See... a huge reason I'm looking forward to this year.   You see how Ham looks at Hurts like a God.   A lot of talk about how the organization and the teammates didn't care for all this BS last year etc.    Some of his behavior being stand off ish... now you see Ham, " look at Hurts taking these guys under his wing etc"   

Perception was AJ was yelling at Hurts to give him the ball... he always said that wasn't the case.  Talk about how AJ and Siri had to be overboard with the rah rah stuff because Hurts was to quiet and to himself. 

Also getting rid of his boy as the OC and going with Siri’s guy.  

To me all positive stuff... and they always have the Wentz stuff to fall back on... to use as an example of you need to look in the mirror and understand you need to be one of the guys, not above them. 

2023 was the first step backwards for him....expectations were high and he didn't reach them. 

This is a great way to enter THIS YEAR.   Humility is a great thing. Especially playing sports in Philadelphia. 

Well you get the local stuff I don't. I can only  read articles or watch vIds(if they are captioned which most are not),so I don't get the inside feeling you can get. I just seem to believe H0wie went "all in" again this year even if Ham isn't buying it. it's been 3 terrific drafts and Lurie wants something to show for it,that is just what I can see as an "outsider"

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Smitty would be WR 1 about anywhere else. They are both talented and worth keeping around

Where?

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s where you’re wrong. So much more to being a leader than just stats passing. The trust and leadership off the field matters. Some NNamdi eating in his car alone isn’t leadership. It shows he’s by himself. Hurts is a megastar. Him finding the time to interact with people means something to each individual. Him showing up to support Smitty’s charity softball is a crucial act. He’s got Devonta’s back. Did you see how many fans showed up for a playing around softball exhibition? Hurts is a big part of that. He’s a big draw. Gets the sponsers…tv and media coverage raised to another level too.

Ok....Hurts is a leader...now can he work on being a QB.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do I care what happened in college????

There is a track record of character and who a person is. Do you want some baby who pouted? Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?  These things really matter. That’s why you can’t see so many crucial factors Hurts brings as our leader. You think it’s just about the box score and each game day. But getting that takes so much…to earn.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah...the contract locks him in until at least 2027.

I'm not saying this was the case,but you know Howie always covers Howie. He will have those WR's locked in and Bark as well even if he has to turn the QB job loose. And we have the start of a very good secondary,so to me the rest of the team should look good no matter and why I think Hurts needs to show his stuff NOW,not 2 years from now

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There is a track record of character and who a person is. Do you want some baby who pouted? Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?  These things really matter. That’s why you can’t see so many crucial factors Hurts brings as our leader. You think it’s just about the box score and each game day. But getting that takes so much…to earn.

Hurts,the only guy with character in the last 4 drafts. Good stuff!!! Don't tell Trevor Lawrence ok?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Where?

Anywhere. Many teams would be happy to have them as their #1

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anywhere. Many teams would be happy to have them as their #1

If AJ went down you wouldn't trust Smith as your #1?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because you refuse to see them. I get he is the birds QB,but really you have 2 different sets of standards. Hurts and everyone else

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm not saying this was the case,but you know Howie always covers Howie. He will have those WR's locked in and Bark as well even if he has to turn the QB job loose. And we have the start of a very good secondary,so to me the rest of the team should look good no matter and why I think Hurts needs to show his stuff NOW,not 2 years from now

No... I'm saying he is going to have 3 chances at least.     I don't see failure in the sense of " not making the playoffs"

I see we will have a shot to win these upcoming seasons... Hurts will be the guy that gets that opportunity...at least until 2027.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?

Would that guy be drafted at all?????

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed. 

OK so he is a leader,now we need him to lead...us to a SB

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because you refuse to see them. I get he is the birds QB,but really you have 2 different sets of standards. Hurts and everyone else

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

Hurts also needs to work for this team to succeed

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

No you don't you gloss over Hurts on everything

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed. 

Hurts is the leader... he plays the main position.   Why do you keep saying it.  That's obvious. 

He needs to improve at QB... QB skills.  

" No Mas there is more to it...blah blah blah." .. yes, we all agree Hurts is fine at all the other stuff.  So that leaves the QB skills that need to improve. What we are all saying and have been saying. Why so difficult to understand?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Combine Brees with Jackson/Mahomes and you have your MVP QB

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so he is a leader,now we need him to lead...us to a SB

We need him to play good QB while leading. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

No you don't you gloss over Hurts on everything

 example-"The missed block" on another play caused Hurts to drop the ball in the SB

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picks will kill you as we know. Chucking it up has it's risks. He needs to make sure the odds are better than he has

I was discussing doing whatever it takes to win. He’s going to do it. Down three scores….he isn’t looking to play it safe and pad stats. He’s only interested in what has to occur to win the game.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

Brees had QB skills. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

He was good at the QB position because he had the brain game down. Very few mistakes,multiple reads and he got the ball out

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was discussing doing whatever it takes to win. He’s going to do it. Down three scores….he isn’t looking to play it safe and pad stats. He’s only interested in what has to occur to win the game.

Int's unforced is not "doing what it takes" C'mon now The tush push needs to go away and Hurts has to make up for it