No reasons for Hurts to fail now,this is a terrific team. If the defense goes from 31st to 20th we have no problem unless the O line completely goes off the rails

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Here is a way to win... read the defense and make throws.  Not a complicated sport...as you so eloquently put.

So how is it you see things as Hurts hasn’t won? What is your brilliant evidence supporting Hurts can’t win in the NFL?

12 wins,I see no reason to settle for less

Time for bed,later guys

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And the WR's don't break their routes to find empty field to give him a window? Hurts does all that himself? Lesser WR's could not do it with the frequency ours do

No they weren’t. It was ridiculous how it seemed they just didn’t seem to break off on Hot Routes. Our O was so elementary. All we needed to beat those blitzes. Or just not always call long developing routes.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No they weren’t. It was ridiculous how it seemed they just didn’t seem to break off on Hot Routes. Our O was so elementary. All we needed to beat those blitzes. Or just not always call long developing routes.

OK all Hurts,we get it. I'm out

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

See... a huge reason I'm looking forward to this year.   You see how Ham looks at Hurts like a God.   A lot of talk about how the organization and the teammates didn't care for all this BS last year etc.    Some of his behavior being stand off ish... now you see Ham, " look at Hurts taking these guys under his wing etc"   

Perception was AJ was yelling at Hurts to give him the ball... he always said that wasn't the case.  Talk about how AJ and Siri had to be overboard with the rah rah stuff because Hurts was to quiet and to himself. 

Also getting rid of his boy as the OC and going with Siri’s guy.  

To me all positive stuff... and they always have the Wentz stuff to fall back on... to use as an example of you need to look in the mirror and understand you need to be one of the guys, not above them. 

2023 was the first step backwards for him....expectations were high and he didn't reach them. 

This is a great way to enter THIS YEAR.   Humility is a great thing. Especially playing sports in Philadelphia. 

How could expectations have been higher than 11 wins? I get maybe one playoff win. But it was clearly a lesser team from 2022. Terrible to lose the perfect QB coach for Hurts in Johnson. Exactly the right job for Johnson. Terrible to lose Steichen. He proved pretty dang clearly he was the valuable coach…over Siri. Should have promoted him and fired Siri. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

See... a huge reason I'm looking forward to this year.   You see how Ham looks at Hurts like a God.   A lot of talk about how the organization and the teammates didn't care for all this BS last year etc.    Some of his behavior being stand off ish... now you see Ham, " look at Hurts taking these guys under his wing etc"   

Perception was AJ was yelling at Hurts to give him the ball... he always said that wasn't the case.  Talk about how AJ and Siri had to be overboard with the rah rah stuff because Hurts was to quiet and to himself. 

Also getting rid of his boy as the OC and going with Siri’s guy.  

To me all positive stuff... and they always have the Wentz stuff to fall back on... to use as an example of you need to look in the mirror and understand you need to be one of the guys, not above them. 

2023 was the first step backwards for him....expectations were high and he didn't reach them. 

This is a great way to enter THIS YEAR.   Humility is a great thing. Especially playing sports in Philadelphia. 

I don’t think Hurts is a god at all. I actually find him so easy to root for because he overcomes some tough weaknesses. He works his butt off to achieve. Unstoppable willpower. But you got everything backwards. You are trying to alienate our teams leader. The major faults lie in the GM job. He screwed all that up. We should be doing everything we can for Hurts. Let’s try and succeed. Not play ego games where Rosie needs to prove to everybody he’s the boss. Get a top O coach. Not just some coach that only gets hired because he will be Rosie’s underling. Let’s hire the guy that knows football and can win. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

20 best WR in a 32 team league... that puts him at a #1 for about half the league. 

I’ll give you that point. Well done sir. I didn’t really do my whole list to formulate the 20 ranking. But he’s somewhere around there.

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

True,but you can't let your round 2 ride pine,so they had him play a few gadget plays. Reagor was a total bust when we could have had JJ

Safe to say...2020 was a bust all around.   Injuries... OC by committee...etc.   just a disaster... that Howie needed to find something...because Doug and Wentz were out...only he was left.  

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck yeah. Unbelievable achievement story. All happened by 25. I think he has some great chapters still to come for that movie. I just want to see him get that championship. Be nice if he earned an MVP too. Pretty much almost impossible for him to get it. He really had to fight and claw from nowhere to be in position for it in 2022. He had to be so far ahead of Mahomes…Allen and the other front runners. Lamar seems to have just struck in weak seasons with fabulous seasons. Otherwise they wouldn’t give it to him. It’s pretty much the Mahomes award to lose….but he didn’t deserve it last season. He had to learn and grow. AR had to really work hard to get him to become an accurate medium and short passer. They struggled while he struggled adjusting.

Except the achievement of a title. The only achievement that ultimately counts. 

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who has won more than Hurts? See you are missing what’s taking place right in front of your own eyes. Whats his record? He hasn’t been relying on a brilliant coach in AR or McVay. How often is anybody just schemed wide open? AR got two TDs in the SB just by scheme alone. Wide open.

You have been an Eagles fan since when? Vermeil ... Buddy?   

When do you recall 3 seasons of schedules from 2021 to 2023 with as easy of opponents?   

I think you are missing what's in front of you. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well you get the local stuff I don't. I can only  read articles or watch vIds(if they are captioned which most are not),so I don't get the inside feeling you can get. I just seem to believe H0wie went "all in" again this year even if Ham isn't buying it. it's been 3 terrific drafts and Lurie wants something to show for it,that is just what I can see as an "outsider"

I really hope you’re right and I’m wrong. But I don’t know how you are seeing this as reality. We are a weaker team than 2022 and 2023. Teams really don’t like our depth. Got a Oline…and DBs. I think Shipley will work out. But LB is struggling. S depth isn’t there. Both starting S aren’t looking to durable too. I guess Maddox or DeJean maybe can handle things. Get Sidney back at some point. But he has a ways to go to develop. And he’s coming off a major injury which has kept him from doing all the crucial things he needs to be doing to better himself for year two.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Ok....Hurts is a leader...now can he work on being a QB.

He’s a heck of a QB. Best one our franchise has ever had.

Football is not a complicated sport. 

If you believe this...then you should never use " genius or brilliant " when describing a coach.  

Players win.   Mike  McCarthy won... Manning won with a couple of coaches...who was the second one?   Is Dungee brilliant?   Is Tomlin brilliant?   Who was the last Dallas coach to win?  Was he a genius?

We gotta stop this idea of " brilliant or genius" when it comes to sports.   There are no magic Xs and Os... the coaches need the players more than the other way around.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm not saying this was the case,but you know Howie always covers Howie. He will have those WR's locked in and Bark as well even if he has to turn the QB job loose. And we have the start of a very good secondary,so to me the rest of the team should look good no matter and why I think Hurts needs to show his stuff NOW,not 2 years from now

Give it up man. He’s been showing plenty. Freaking fantastic record so far. Took us to the SB already at 25. He can improve. But we are so lucky to have him. Not many guys I’d trade him for. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts,the only guy with character in the last 4 drafts. Good stuff!!! Don't tell Trevor Lawrence ok?

I think our team is chock full of these strong character guys. Really happy to root for these type guys than the thug cowboy types.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I really hope you’re right and I’m wrong. But I don’t know how you are seeing this as reality. We are a weaker team than 2022 and 2023. Teams really don’t like our depth. Got a Oline…and DBs. I think Shipley will work out. But LB is struggling. S depth isn’t there. Both starting S aren’t looking to durable too. I guess Maddox or DeJean maybe can handle things. Get Sidney back at some point. But he has a ways to go to develop. And he’s coming off a major injury which has kept him from doing all the crucial things he needs to be doing to better himself for year tw

So... how are we worse than 2023?

LB depth....you liked it better last year 

S depth...you liked it better last year?

RB depth....you liked it better last year?

WRs depth,.. you liked it better last year

QB depth....you liked it better last year

CB depth....you liked it better last year?

Coordinators... you liked it better in 2023?

Schedule.... you think last year's was easier with the logistics all at the end?

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s a heck of a QB. Best one our franchise has ever had.

At what aspect of playing QB.... reading a defense, throwing,  taking a snap, avoiding mistakes,  handing off, not fumbling, not throwing picks.

Which one of these QB specific skills is Hurts the best we have ever had?    

 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No... I'm saying he is going to have 3 chances at least.     I don't see failure in the sense of " not making the playoffs"

I see we will have a shot to win these upcoming seasons... Hurts will be the guy that gets that opportunity...at least until 2027.

I think Rosie needs to hit speed dial on this roster next season. Wasted two seasons as I see it. Pretty much all Rosie’s fault too.  Roster wasn’t good enough last season. Rosie failed to put together a complete team. He failed badly with the coaching decisions. Now I’ll give him this season to develop and rebuild. Moved on from so older players to look towards opening the window further in the future.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He was good at the QB position because he had the brain game down. Very few mistakes,multiple reads and he got the ball out

As accurate as I’ve ever seen too. I agree on his understanding of the game. Exactly why I point out how he had Sean Payton to coach him. It doesn’t happen under Siri. 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Give it up man. He’s been showing plenty. Freaking fantastic record so far. Took us to the SB already at 25. He can improve. But we are so lucky to have him. Not many guys I’d trade him for. 

Which win is the staple win of Hurts career that you are going to remember as an all time win for the Eagles franchise.   The game you will tell your grandkids about? 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Rosie needs to hit speed dial on this roster next season. Wasted two seasons as I see it. Pretty much all Rosie’s fault too.  Roster wasn’t good enough last season. Rosie failed to put together a complete team. He failed badly with the coaching decisions. Now I’ll give him this season to develop and rebuild. Moved on from so older players to look towards opening the window further in the future.

Which GM put together a complete team ?   Every season of that GMs career?

What GM has put together a consistently better roster since 2016? 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No... I'm saying he is going to have 3 chances at least.     I don't see failure in the sense of " not making the playoffs"

I see we will have a shot to win these upcoming seasons... Hurts will be the guy that gets that opportunity...at least until 2027.

Where is your head? Our team can’t win without him. You just Hurts Hate so hard you looking for any way to tear him down.