4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly why he fell because he didn’t have the massive cannon arm and isn’t NFL QB tall. Runner up for the Heisman….so it shouldn’t ever have been a surprise. If teams could redo the draft he’d go much more than just round one.

Brady was a round 6. How was it he became so successful? Take your time. How good were the Pats after Brady left for TB?

First 3 years winning percentage Payton .521   Siri .667 You say it's not a stats game,but it IS. Siri needs more experience just like Sean had to do

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

He will have the chances to win ..at least the next 3 seasons.   The team is his....that's where my head is at.   The job of QB for the Eagles will be Hurts the next 3 years...nobody else's.

You disagree?

To be honest and frank….i don’t see Hurts as a player that will be capable of playing until he’s forty. His running and the wear and tear he seems to be put through already I’d think he’ll be lucky to make it to playing still when he’s 35.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To be honest and frank….i don’t see Hurts as a player that will be capable of playing until he’s forty. His running and the wear and tear he seems to be put through already I’d think he’ll be lucky to make it to playing still when he’s 35.

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

He’s our leader for the next decade

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not concerned about if he plays to 35 or 40.     My point, the team is his for the next 3 years.    You disagree with that?  You think someone else will get the opportunity to be the Eagles QB in the next 3 years?  

Pickett might get a shot week 18 if we don’t have anything to play for. But we know Siri will risk Hurts even then.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Brady was a round 6. How was it he became so successful? Take your time. How good were the Pats after Brady left for TB?

Garrapolo had them still winning quite nicely. But Bellicheat really blew the last several drafts.

 But first it started out with various and thorough levels of cheating. By knowing the D playcall ahead of time Brady seemed to really be an expert at reading the D. Jim Johnson even declared it’s like they are tapped into my headset…which they were. But first they had to steal an Eagles playbook. Then Brady had to make sure he deflated the balls so he could get a better grasp on the NFL sized football. Then they invented some tuck rule just for Brady to declare no way could he have fumbled and cost them the game. Then they brought a snow plow out to clear the conditions to make sure they won with their field goal. All along the league completely had the Brady officiating. No Oline were ever guilty of moving too early or holding.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

So the focus in the next few seasons to determine whether Rosie is a capable enough GM for us. We already kicked start in a big way building our new future D. Then next year hopefully we can land the big O minded coach to get us to the top in Slowik. Only have 8 mil cap money for next year at this point. So we need to save the leftover cap we now possess still and roll it over. Then really hit on next year’s FA and draft class. Don’t know if Saquan will still be an elite option three years from now….but probably his ceiling for positive returns on him.

I guess it would work out to use a little bit of this years cap if it goes towards extending any players that prove an excellent fit and worth keeping around longer.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think Hurts is already an overachiever by getting a 2nd contract.   Granted 2022 easy schedule could have played a significant role in getting him the big money....but either way he got a 2nd contract.  Good for him.   

Now let's focus on the next few seasons and before we look at whether retires.    He still has to earn the 3rd contract that gets him into his 30s.    I'd be shocked if he lasts until 35 as a starter... but that's not relevant to now.  

He overachieved by getting that weak cap strapped 2021 team to the playoffs after an abysmal Siri playcalling start that dug nearly an inescapable deep hole.

44 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the focus in the next few seasons to determine whether Rosie is a capable enough GM for us. We already kicked start in a big way building our new future D. Then next year hopefully we can land the big O minded coach to get us to the top in Slowik. Only have 8 mil cap money for next year at this point. So we need to save the leftover cap we now possess still and roll it over. Then really hit on next year’s FA and draft class. Don’t know if Saquan will still be an elite option three years from now….but probably his ceiling for positive returns on him.

The focus is on the next few season to win.   You worry about people's jobs. I'm focused on the team's results.   Hurts will be the QB the next wave here, which I look at 3 years with how his contract and the others on the team are set up.    3 years minimum.   I'm not saying 3 years MAX... my 3 years was for GB thinking he has one year to prove himself.   To me there is no proving... he is the guy that gets the opportunity to be the QB the next 3 plus seasons.  The plus is the unknown.    you say decade, God Bless... I go one contract at a time.  

I'm giving Ham a pass... with the stick he has up his arse about the coach.    He wants a " genius"   but he wants the " genius" to work with the QB who is in the league due to his running.

which "genius" OC has worked with a QB who was simply a runner?    Young was a capable pocket passer at least at the start of his career.   There wasn't " read option"  stuff back then.  Read option doesn't need an offensive genius.     Doug didn't want to be here with Hurts... didn't like the fit, so that isn't going to happen here.  We have a nice offensive mind as the OC now... just not the childhood friend of the QB.   

We all have our biases.... Ham likes a 1970s lockdown CB, I like a unit to cover all the guys, fits better with the new rules and where teams look for one matchup to exploit.    You like the offensive genius, but the running QB.   I'll take a QB that is in the league due to reading a defense and making throws... with a good game manager running the offense.  

If I never see the QB in shotgun and putting the ball in the RB's stomach and then making a mesh point decision...I'll be happy.  To me it will forever be amateur gimmick... I dont think it lasts much longer... let alone a decade for Hurts to be here.    Hurts is here until 2026-2028...lets worry about what he does for us, before worrying about " I called it" stuff.

This is about the Eagles as a team, not any one player.  

So how does a QB develop and become good at reading and understanding Ds?

Does any QB put up more passing stats and look better in a quality scheme with a quality O mind calling the good plays? Or do QBs typically learn better reading and understanding reading Ds from offensive minds that can’t adjust and figure out fairly basic and simple counters to DCs curveballs?

 Everybody knows and understands that it’s easier to grab the ‘tells’ about reading a D by utilizing motion. So would being massively the lowest O scheme utilizing motion help or hurt a QB reading the D?

When you have plays designed in multiple ways so you can run different plays out of the same looks that keeps the D from T-ing off on your O playcall. So does the D already knowing your playcall help or hurt a QB in his effectiveness passing?

When the D already knows your very predictable play you are running does it translate into a higher percentage of the likely fumble, sack or interception opportunities?

When a coach is in the zone playcalling does it tend to create more separation for the receiving target versus a cold poor playcaller?

Is a QB considered better at reading a D if he actually has his WR reading the D also and cutting off long developing routes switching to a ‘Hot Route?’

So is there anywhere in there you can understand a reflection on a QB from the O coach?

What’s the name of the guy that teaches a develops a QBs understanding or reading a D? Would you label that guy ..,coach?Or is there some other person you are saying should be handling that job?

How many NFL HCs need a ‘handler’ like Big Dom?

How many HCs are less even keeled and less mature than their QBs?

Steve Young’s coach…was he considered a good coach? Is he note worthy in the annals of NFL history? 

Not talking about Young’s first coach in Tampa Bay. Not there when he was considered a bust. That next HoF coach he magically sky rocketed under in San Fran.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

my 3 years was for GB thinking he has one year to prove himself.   To me there is no proving...

Wentz didn't last that long. Just sayin'