1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or 

 

Or if he didn’t finally start stepping up and didn’t even make the team…that wouldn’t have mattered?

To you A Smith stepped up?  What huge stepping up did he do?  He looked ehhh.....on a few touches.   Perhaps " OMG ge dropped a punt the first OTA " isn't as big of a deal as you like to make everything.   I'm sure he went the 4 or 5 touches or whatever he had Saturday ..  that amount in a row without a drop... when they have all those reps, they have a drop of two... not the end of the world.   

I mean if Ainias had stepped up and looked more promising Rosie wouldn’t have felt such glaring pressure to trade for Dotson most likely.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody is talking about that. What does that have to do with Ainias?

Game 1 ...you seem that it's such a huge deal if he dresses or not?  Why?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Game 1 ...you seem that it's such a huge deal if he dresses or not?  Why?

If he doesn’t dress on gamedays is he going to gain that valuable real game experience you’re talking about?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I mean if Ainias had steeped up and looked more promising Rosie wouldn’t have felt such glaring pressure to trade for Dotson most likely.

Ohhhh.   So l glad you mentioned this!   

Remember 2 years ago....when you annoyed us all about " I don't like the Saints trade, I would have traded back and drafted a safety... the rookie from Cincy.. Dax"

And I said, if the kid Dax looked so good ... then Howie wouldn't have traded for CGJ.   

And you being you....always having to die on a hill because you are never ever wrong....." No Mas why wouldn't Howie still trade for CGJ, drafting a 1st round S who looked good shouldn't have stopped the CGJ trade"

But apparently... we don't trade for Dotson  if Smith had your approval right away???

Great point....it's convenient you bring it up exactly now... we could have used you to argue with yourself when you annoyed the $h@× out of us with all that Dax talk and how we weren't all in because we didn't do it your way.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Ohhhh.   So l glad you mentioned this!   

Remember 2 years ago....when you annoyed us all about " I don't like the Saints trade, I would have traded back and drafted a safety... the rookie from Cincy.. Dax"

And I said, if the kid Dax looked so good ... then Howie wouldn't have traded for CGJ.   

And you being you....always having to die on a hill because you are never ever wrong....." No Mas why wouldn't Howie still trade for CGJ, drafting a 1st round S who looked good shouldn't have stopped the CGJ trade"

But apparently... we don't trade for Dotson  if Smith had your approval right away???

Great point....it's convenient you bring it up exactly now... we could have used you to argue with yourself when you annoyed the $h@× out of us with all that Dax talk and how we weren't all in because we didn't do it your way.

And if we had traded back and taken one of that strong group of S? He’d have been playing here ever since. Still needed to trade for a S too. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If he doesn’t dress on gamedays is he going to gain that valuable real game experience you’re talking about?

Game days.... days....plural....17 regular season game days.    Brazil is game 1.   Not the end all be all.   

Where was he drafted?  Do you expect all the picks made around his pick to dress game 1?  Do you expect half?  The ones that dress... you think they have a better shot to dress if the team is a contender or a weak team?

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ohhhh.   So l glad you mentioned this!   

Remember 2 years ago....when you annoyed us all about " I don't like the Saints trade, I would have traded back and drafted a safety... the rookie from Cincy.. Dax"

And I said, if the kid Dax looked so good ... then Howie wouldn't have traded for CGJ.   

And you being you....always having to die on a hill because you are never ever wrong....." No Mas why wouldn't Howie still trade for CGJ, drafting a 1st round S who looked good shouldn't have stopped the CGJ trade"

But apparently... we don't trade for Dotson  if Smith had your approval right away???

Great point....it's convenient you bring it up exactly now... we could have used you to argue with yourself when you annoyed the $h@× out of us with all that Dax talk and how we weren't all in because we didn't do it your way.

But you’re saying it changed our whole roster potentially this season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

And if we had traded back and taken one of that strong group of S? He’d have been playing here ever since. Still needed to trade for a S too. 

Lol... then why didn't we make another trade after CGJ?

At some point you need to realize you always spin things your way... so if we still make the CGJ trade then...no reason we don't make the Dotson trade now.   Can't have it BOTH ways.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Game days.... days....plural....17 regular season game days.    Brazil is game 1.   Not the end all be all.   

Where was he drafted?  Do you expect all the picks made around his pick to dress game 1?  Do you expect half?  The ones that dress... you think they have a better shot to dress if the team is a contender or a weak team?

Seen plenty of fifth rounders never contribute much at all…their entire careers. So if he isn’t getting the ball…not even on the field…not even dressing…will that speed up his development? 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you’re saying it changed our whole roster potentially this season.

I'm saying you can't have it both ways.  A Smith where he was drafted isn't supposed to be a starter day 1.  

Big difference between a day 3 pick looking ok...vs a 1st round pick looking like a starter...  the team more likely not to trade for a position if the 1st rounder looks like a starter vs a day  pick looking ok enough to avoid the " roster bubble"

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... then why didn't we make another trade after CGJ?

At some point you need to realize you always spin things your way... so if we still make the CGJ trade then...no reason we don't make the Dotson trade now.   Can't have it BOTH ways.

I didn’t say Rosie still would have…I said still should have. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

I'm saying you can't have it both ways.  A Smith where he was drafted isn't supposed to be a starter day 1.  

Big difference between a day 3 pick looking ok...vs a 1st round pick looking like a starter...  the team more likely not to trade for a position if the 1st rounder looks like a starter vs a day  pick looking ok enough to avoid the " roster bubble"

We both were talking about projections for this season with Ainias.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I'm saying you can't have it both ways.  A Smith where he was drafted isn't supposed to be a starter day 1.  

Big difference between a day 3 pick looking ok...vs a 1st round pick looking like a starter...  the team more likely not to trade for a position if the 1st rounder looks like a starter vs a day  pick looking ok enough to avoid the " roster bubble"

But yeah…Rosie  once again didn’t have a good plan for a starting third WR spot. Agreed

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seen plenty of fifth rounders never contribute much at all…their entire careers. So if he isn’t getting the ball…not even on the field…not even dressing…will that speed up his development? 

Absolutely....seen plenty not do anything at the start too. 

So Clement not getting the ball or seeing the field..how did that do by the end of his rookie year?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But yeah…Rosie  once again didn’t have a good plan for a starting third WR spot. Agreed

You and FL thought we were a contending 12 win team even without the starting third WR anyway.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But yeah…Rosie  once again didn’t have a good plan for a starting third WR spot. Agreed

Agreed.... " master plan " for March doesn't mean squat.   The offseason work doesn't finish at the draft for a GM.

Agreed this idea " master plan" it has to be completed before OTAs.... is total BS....absolutely agree with that! 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Absolutely....seen plenty not do anything at the start too. 

So Clement not getting the ball or seeing the field..how did that do by the end of his rookie year?

Patrick Mahomes didn’t play until his final game. Several first round picks didn’t  play their entire rookie seasons. So…how does any of this equate to Ainias?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Agreed.... " master plan " for March doesn't mean squat.   The offseason work doesn't finish at the draft for a GM.

Agreed this idea " master plan" it has to be completed before OTAs.... is total BS....absolutely agree with that! 

Who ever said that? Not me. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You and FL thought we were a contending 12 win team even without the starting third WR anyway.

Believed that a move would come I'd needed.   You always think the roster I set before first OTA.  Always in a panic.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Agreed.... " master plan " for March doesn't mean squat.   The offseason work doesn't finish at the draft for a GM.

Agreed this idea " master plan" it has to be completed before OTAs.... is total BS....absolutely agree with that! 

You are making up stuff to argue against yourself it is apparent now. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Believed that a move would come I'd needed.   You always think the roster I set before first OTA.  Always in a panic.

I never said that

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Patrick Mahomes didn’t play until his final game. Several first round picks didn’t  play their entire rookie seasons. So…how does any of this equate to Ainias?

Great.... we get a Mahomes type of career from A Smith then you make my point even better about Brazil.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are making up stuff to argue against yourself it is apparent now. 

The " master plan" is made up.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Believed that a move would come I'd needed.   You always think the roster I set before first OTA.  Always in a panic.

Be nice if the GM actually addresses the whole roster and only needs to make moves based on injury situations instead of his lack of addressing starting positions.