18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes exactly what Siri’s priority is…just don’t give a reason to fire him.

Losing is the reason to fire a coach. 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not with Hurts as his QB... I agree.  

You know coming from Hurts experience in college it was a weakness he needed to learn. Which Steichen made clear progress with. Then last season Siri’s Scheme(which is obviously laughable to even try and call his thinking anything like that) was so complicated that he really clearly put tons of thought and effort into the approach. He came up with a gigantic plan in his world…not just one…but he came up with two passing plays. Unstoppable! Throw it deep relying on Hurts incredible big play abilities and YAC Creation plays. He had thought of everything. Go long or Short Outs and screens to Goedert.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nah…I’ve clearly been extensive on it’s a bunch of things. But the team coming ready to play would boost confidence some. We do look to be very difficult putting pressure on our opponent with a lead. But that strength for a team isn’t nearly strong if you can’t score a single point for the first quarter of every game.

Maybe a different QB in the 1st quarter?

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We should be losing these games?   

What is your complaint here....defense didn't give up a TD....   we start every game passing the ball...we go for it on 4th down with passes.

What backwards?

Your QB is what he is....wake the F up!!! 

Our QB absolutely is what he is. He’s a great leader and hard working devoted to football dedicated competitor. Yes I do see why you are so fond of Siri. You both think very similar. Siri has a plays. No scheme. No rhyme or reason…or plan. He never thought of you need multiple plays to run out of each look to not telegraph to the D what play you’re running. He just calls plays. Never a second..third or any other thought. You know actual good football coaches do this play setting up the opposite play later on. In a scheme you take a play and you actually know how it should and needs to unfold against every D play. You know against Cover Two you need to try and freeze this S as key to get the ball here as a first read. One play could/ should be different how everybody on O responds based on several factors: is there a blitz, zone or Man. Out of one play a WR could be running three different routes based on these factors. You clearly just blame Hurts for holding back All World Coach Siri…the CEO of X and O. But he clearly doesn’t have deep thoughts about football…heck he doesn’t even have fundamental thoughts.

 So why have the WR not been routinely breaking off into Hot Routes during Siri’s tenure? You’ve seen the WRs and TEs reading and adjusting to the D but not the QB? Has Siri shown much of any signs that our HC can frankly even read a D well? Heck it’s worse than that. Even when the whole stadium knows what D is coming before any play is called had he shown much of any signs to have knowledge of how to counter it? 
 The only area that reflects knowledgable approaches has been the blocking assignments. Is anybody actually going to make any attempt at a case that’s due to Siri? We all know that’s completely due and controlled by Stout. Hmmm…great coach has one area being taught all this stuff. 

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know coming from Hurts experience in college it was a weakness he needed to learn. Which Steichen made clear progress with. Then last season Siri’s Scheme(which is obviously laughable to even try and call his thinking anything like that) was so complicated that he really clearly put tons of thought and effort into the approach. He came up with a gigantic plan in his world…not just one…but he came up with two passing plays. Unstoppable! Throw it deep relying on Hurts incredible big play abilities and YAC Creation plays. He had thought of everything. Go long or Short Outs and screens to Goedert.

Idk... I think I definitely see your pattern...you don't think Hurts is intelligent... he needs everything spoon fed to him.

That was the discussion on the radio today if the Eagles realized they can't win unless they dummy down stuff for Hurts.  Get Barkley and AJ the ball and get out of the way.   

It's interesting now... you look at the last two weeks ...and you see the stats.  To me it's 2022 exactly... just that the spin is so different now.  I mean 3 combined TDs yesterday.. look at the completion %... the rating.   Yet the narrative has changed so much???   

It's hilarious, how the media creates 2 completely different narratives.... from the same exact stuff.  

Same stuff and one year MVP candidate and the other just a game manager... winning in spite of him.   

8 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean really nothing much to complain about this week Giants good DL got pressure and sacks on us but that should have been expected.

Hurts missed some open guys all QBs miss open guys is what it is….
Him taking sacks can only really think of one where I’d say he just needed to throw it away he got outside the pocket then tried to run up and got bottled up. But not like it was some massive sack that took us out of FG range just one of those watch the tape point it out and move on. 
 

Lastly ran some from under center even had LB in as a FB(looked pretty good as a lead blocker lol) hopefully we can see some PA come out of that moving forward would be nice probably wishful thinking though on my end lol 

It was nice to see a little innovation in this offense. I'm sure VS enjoyed that play. Gotta have some fun with it

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the difference is...we are saying " he" as in Hurts... you are saying " we" because you just can't bring yourself to speak negatively about only Hurts.

" coach lost the team "  or QB had a problem with the coach 

That's a he, not a we.

We aren't missing wide open guys, we aren't making bad decisions,  we aren't missing reads. 

Now, obviously not all the problems are 100% Hurts.   But with you...you have no problem calling anyone out specifically " he" ... except when it's Hurts, there always has to be a " we" involved.

 

Not accurrate. I thoroughly explained my thoughts about Hurts college and pro career. In a different O every season. Heck just simply his age becoming a pro.

-But I feel you aren’t looking for the actual cause of the results.
-You seem to believe each year’s new O just appears magically like a player has been running it for a decade. 
-Not sure your take on WHY Hurts hasn’t developed reading Ds more? You just think he’s too dumb? The way he handles himself shows very much otherwise. He isn’t mouthy punk like CGJ athlete. So then you must think he isn’t putting in the work? Are you thinking he’s been sleeping through coaching and film lessons? I mean it should be extremely clear none of this is true of Jalen Hurts. He isn’t Mike Vick. So you have a dedicated hard working extremely dedicated to his profession competitor that will do anything to win…not just a game or a little…he is just chomping at the bit with a goal of nothing short of holding the Lombardi.

—Second year in the same O(only time ever for him) is where we saw actual signs of coaching growth with Hurts. I’m flat out saying that there’s overwhelming evidence proving all the reasons I’m clear it wasn’t due to Siri. Johnson? Hard to judge. Obviously positive relationship knowing how to work with Hurts. Just no doubt the evidence all points to it being due to Steichen. 
-So if you actually considered that the massive problem and difficulty always being overcome is Siri. That he’s shown only signs of one step thought processing. That he was way over his head coming in as a HC. That he actually isn’t any top decision maker. Who are all the QBs you’ve seen in a the decades watching football that developed all this wisdom under a bad HC without a scheme that really feels like he doesn’t have the football knowledge and wisdom to run an O doing this?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think I’ve been repeatedly mentioning how we need to develop and learn. But we’re stuck under a coach determined to short cut everything. Was it better to just short cut our franchise QB from the start with Siri because he was overwhelmed first time HC? You say Hurts needs to get his sh17 together. I’m saying not going to be possible with going backwards by the HC. 
 Field Vision is paragraphs more to get into. I agree he needs to improve there. Pretty sure we disagree on why and what’s going on though. Hurts was the starter at a pretty young age. So he wasn’t polished coming into the pros from day one. Frankly who is? A big reason we have coaches. Supposed to be knowledgable and can teach. But he’s more like an 15  year old talking smack playing Madden online.

 I mean how do you see how this situation has developed like this? Is there a version you see that Siri has been focused ever on the long term growth of developing Hurts? I actually had hope of that now bringing in Moore and Coach Doug that teaching learning and developing were finally arriving. Not real high on Moore really….but he’s a huge upgrade by having a scheme with rhyme and reason as to what the approach is of how to run a pro O. 

LMAO ,dude, if anything goes backwards that's on your "leader". You consistently call him the leader,yet he doesn't lead. He is capable of calling audibles? A real leader would. While I will not scream from rooftops how great a coach Siri is,to this point he is winning games(due to the outstanding talent at the skill positions Howie has provided). IDK of any "leader" that runs backwards then takes the sack anyway. If you know you are going down STOP. Hurts loses more yards going backwards and it boggles my mind that he can't outrun a lineman.It's not the HC's job to TEACH,it's his job to guide the team. The teachers are the QB's coaches and other positional coaches,that's what they were hired for. The HC could have a team vision,but it's his underlings that are charged with getting that vision into reality. Hurts has very poor field vision. IDK if that can be taught but that's all Siri has to work with. Hurts has various limitations you fail to see. Weak arm strength,lack of field vision,some poor decision making as the "leader". I really can't understand your refusal to see what everyone else sees or why you championed this guy as "the best franchise QB ever". It's comical yet sad at the same time. Unless you are his agent,open your eyes!!!! This team was basically started for Wentz,who had an arm. I'm not going into all that BS again,but that was the initial thought process. This team was actually built for a pocket passer with a keen eye and an arm to deliver. Hurts has neither of those qualities,so there is some trepidation regarding how this team was designed and the changes that needed to be made for a running QB. Hurts used to be a running threat,but now he doesn't do that either. it's humiliating to see the running talent he has go unused except at the GL with the tush push. In 2022 it was his greatest asset and defenses had to plan for him. Now they don't because he STOPPED doing it. That is going backwards. He will always have a weaker arm. he has not improved his field vision and on top of all that,he no longer is a running threat to defenses. They have his number and he has no answers

46 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Are " we" having issues not throwing over the middle... or is it " he"?

You really think there are zero play designs to go over the middle?

Are we not going under center?  Or is it " he"

Are we going backwards....because it's the same stuff with Steichen,  Johnson,  Moore?   

"WE" seem more aggressive than ever...throwing early, going on 4th down, throwing to end games instead of running... that puts more of the game on the QB... not less. 

But reality is " HE" just isn't developing.  But YOU are absolutely clever in your approach..because you are planting the seed.. knowing Hurts is what he is, and it won't matter who coaches him... that it will be Siri who ruined him... lol.  Very clever.   

Idk...dude played football at Alabama and Oklahoma... he doesn't know about reading a defense, hot routes etc?   Is he special needs?  

21 on the Wonderlic test is low for a QB, but still overall average.   No reason he shouldn't pick up basics from a sport than 90% of the fans know?

I see the clear evidence that Siri has all these flaws. Siri began …freaking terrible. Steichen saved him from himself….though he was stuck in Siri’s O. We did see development and growth from Hurts very clearly under Steichen, That Steichen work carried over to begin last season, But I just don’t believe Johnson was in charge of much at all last year. Which has even been reported from insiders. So really we have evidence of two coaches only. Siri and Steichen. Clear and obvious development and growth under Steichen. All the evidence is overwhelming showing the heavier Siri’s hand…his approach is terrible. I’ll give him credit for having balls. He’ll risk fourth downs. He was a driving force in perfecting The Brotherly Shove. 

You aren't high on Moore because Moore used to coach the above mentioned type QB's. Moore is stuck with Hurts a, bad decision maker with a weak arm and no field vision. Moore is a coach not a magician. We saw a glimpse of the Moore offense in week 1 and have since gone back to 'the way it is"

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... I think I definitely see your pattern...you don't think Hurts is intelligent... he needs everything spoon fed to him.

That was the discussion on the radio today if the Eagles realized they can't win unless they dummy down stuff for Hurts.  Get Barkley and AJ the ball and get out of the way.   

It's interesting now... you look at the last two weeks ...and you see the stats.  To me it's 2022 exactly... just that the spin is so different now.  I mean 3 combined TDs yesterday.. look at the completion %... the rating.   Yet the narrative has changed so much???   

I know he’s intelligent enough and works hard enough to do whatever he’s given. Spoon fed? I call it a plan and a scheme….in football it’s referred to as coaching. Some players actual get that.  It if you want to call coaching a scheme to take a certain play and react accordingly to every D? Then sure spoon feed everybody…or just be able and willing to coach and teach. Heck I’m out right calling out that I don’t really see Siri ever thinking that deep into any of it.

I think I understand our differing opinions here. You believe just give talented players and that makes a great team. You’ve championed Siri and Chipper because you just believe that running a small playbook of a few plays isn’t a problem. That even if it’s a bad play…even called when the coach….already knows exactly what D to expect. That it’s not a coaching problem that our O isn’t showing signs of having problems countering and adapting. The coach isn’t calling plays showing the football X and O wisdom. That all evidence pointing towards the more relying  Siri’s influence shows in gameplanning and playcalling….the results aren’t good. 
 Basically your thoughts have been expressed that it’s up to the young QB to learn and develop himself so he can overcome the lack of coaching(which involves so much).

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was a driving force in perfecting The Brotherly Shove. 

Because that is Hurts best asset. You play to your players strengths. What happened to Hurts the running threat? VANISHED into thin air.Right after he got the big loot. ALL GONE now. Teams no longer plan for him taking off. Unless it's an obvious designed run which defenses can read because Siri(see this is  bad point for him) doesn't disguise them. Hurts is best on broken plays. he used to get excellent yardage and burn teams doing it. Now teams know to press the outside,that he won;t run except for backwards for even more lost yards on sacks. I understand self preservation,but really Hurts is not even a running QB anymore,he is just a tush push specialist and why he is now "middle of the pack". I miss the old Hurts,the exciting one that burned teams badly. He doesn't do that anymore

Siri should go to Moore(as the team guide counselor) and say "we need to disguise Hurts called runs" and let Moore do his job. IDK if he has done that or it's just not working,but the Hurts running threat has gone the way of the Dodo

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You aren't high on Moore because Moore used to coach the above mentioned type QB's. Moore is stuck with Hurts a, bad decision maker with a weak arm and no field vision. Moore is a coach not a magician. We saw a glimpse of the Moore offense in week 1 and have since gone back to 'the way it is"

See I’m not that high on Moore…but yet even still he brought me hope because he’s a huge upgrade over Siri. During TC Moore is teaching under C. He didn’t just hand out a random playbook. He’s got a plan. Hurts straight said it’s almost 100 percent different O. Now not just simple thoughts over simplifying here. Under Siri you have a play. The same play in a scheme is totally different. That play the coach is teaching for the players to do specific adjustments accordingly many times. Heck just flat out is a smart guy that understands football. So he can COACH Hurts(whole O but we’ll keep it simple).

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think I understand our differing opinions here. You believe just give talented players and that makes a great team. You’ve championed Siri and Chipper because you just believe that running a small playbook of a few plays isn’t a problem. That even if it’s a bad play…even called when the coach….already knows exactly what D to expect. That it’s not a coaching problem that our O isn’t showing signs of having problems countering and adapting. The coach isn’t calling plays showing the football X and O wisdom. That all evidence pointing towards the more relying  Siri’s influence shows in gameplanning and playcalling….the results aren’t good. 
 Basically your thoughts have been expressed that it’s up to the young QB to learn and develop himself so he can overcome the lack of coaching(which involves so much).

An occaisional pass play,but really bark is the offense now. He moves the chains and he needs to since Hurts can't find wide open guys who worked hard to get open. It's going to kill off this team as soon they will feel they are working hard with no reward. The WR's want fame,and stats and to be used. Bark is the offense

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See I’m not that high on Moore…but yet even still he brought me hope because he’s a huge upgrade over Siri. During TC Moore is teaching under C. He didn’t just hand out a random playbook. He’s got a plan. Hurts straight said it’s almost 100 percent different O. Now not just simple thoughts over simplifying here. Under Siri you have a play. The same play in a scheme is totally different. That play the coach is teaching for the players to do specific adjustments accordingly many times. Heck just flat out is a smart guy that understands football. So he can COACH Hurts(whole O but we’ll keep it simple).

Sure it's 100% different. He is trying to make Hurts a good QB who can throw the ball. Moore is a "wide open" passing coach and it's not how Hurts was built.It always been about his legs. So he has to unlearn some things while learning new things he hasn't been asked to do before 

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because that is Hurts best asset. You play to your players strengths. What happened to Hurts the running threat? VANISHED into thin air.Right after he got the big loot. ALL GONE now. Teams no longer plan for him taking off. Unless it's an obvious designed run which defenses can read because Siri(see this is  bad point for him) doesn't disguise them. Hurts is best on broken plays. he used to get excellent yardage and burn teams doing it. Now teams know to press the outside,that he won;t run except for backwards for even more lost yards on sacks. I understand self preservation,but really Hurts is not even a running QB anymore,he is just a tush push specialist and why he is now "middle of the pack". I miss the old Hurts,the exciting one that burned teams badly. He doesn't do that anymore

What I witnessed was last season a coaching focus of don’t get hurt. Which he needed to learn to avoid the big hits. He also grew avoiding the pressure, scrambling but developed throwing more from that. You state "One Read and Run.” I saw our O as massively relying on Hurts avoiding the pressure to buy time and throwing making the big plays.

 There wasn’t any plan or adapting under Siri last season. It was based on how you view why we should be a better team. Completing relying on Hurts to be fantastic at creating something and find a way to chuck it deep to Smitty and AJ. 
 Exactly what I was complaining about and the leaks from unhappy players identified even winning at 10-1. We all knew there was no way that could be sustained and there wasn’t any future optimism to be had. You didn’t see it at 10-1. Feels like you still don’t after that total collapse. Teams just stayed deep in coverage and blitz Hurts not allowing him to scramble and buy time to hurt them. There was really only one other play we would try as the counter: screen. So defenders read screen and ate it up. Otherwise just stop Hurts(I’d include AJ and Smitty) from making the big play.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See I’m not that high on Moore…but yet even still he brought me hope because he’s a huge upgrade over Siri. During TC Moore is teaching under C. He didn’t just hand out a random playbook. He’s got a plan. Hurts straight said it’s almost 100 percent different O. Now not just simple thoughts over simplifying here. Under Siri you have a play. The same play in a scheme is totally different. That play the coach is teaching for the players to do specific adjustments accordingly many times. Heck just flat out is a smart guy that understands football. So he can COACH Hurts(whole O but we’ll keep it simple).

I like Moore. I hope he stays. It will be difficult for him adjusting to Hurts as he is not a pocket passer. I believe he was hired to try and work with Hurts,but it's really not a good match there. IDK what the final outcome will be,but it's tough sledding for Moore. He's never coached a running QB and Hurts has never been asked to be a pocket passer. It will be major adjustments for both of them

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What I witnessed was last season a coaching focus of don’t get hurt. Which he needed to learn to avoid the big hits. He also grew avoiding the pressure, scrambling but developed throwing more from that. You state "One Read and Run.” I saw our O as massively relying on Hurts avoiding the pressure to buy time and throwing making the big plays.

 There wasn’t any plan or adapting under Siri last season. It was based on how you view why we should be a better team. Completing relying on Hurts to be fantastic at creating something and find a way to chuck it deep to Smitty and AJ. 
 Exactly what I was complaining about and the leaks from unhappy players identified even winning at 10-1. We all knew there was no way that could be sustained and there wasn’t any future optimism to be had. You didn’t see it at 10-1. Feels like you still don’t after that total collapse. Teams just stayed deep in coverage and blitz Hurts not allowing him to scramble and buy time to hurt them. There was really only one other play we would try as the counter: screen. So defenders read screen and ate it up. Otherwise just stop Hurts(I’d include AJ and Smitty) from making the big play.

First there is a big difference between a broken play and a called one. Hurts used to be outstanding running on those broken plays,but he doesn't anymore. It really made defenses defend that but that has gone away. As far as don't get hurt,this is the NFL,you get paid to give it all every game. If you are playing scared you won't be an MVP 

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Siri should go to Moore(as the team guide counselor) and say "we need to disguise Hurts called runs" and let Moore do his job. IDK if he has done that or it's just not working,but the Hurts running threat has gone the way of the Dodo

See it was said that Siri never had control of the D. But supposedly he was giving up control of the O and just becoming CEO HC. Is that what you heard also? But Siri from the get go of Moore’s hire kind of cut that idea off as…well we’re keeping what works and going to find a way to add to it with Moore. All TC hearing all about Moore’s O been taught. Game one looked like Moore’s O. At least the week one begginings of it. Then it started reverting back to Siri’s …less and less of the new O every week. Come the Browns game after the bye…very clear the terrible HCing cost us a 3-0 start…along with other flaws. So everybody…maybe except No Mas knew that Siri was going to be fired if we lost to a terrible Browns team. He would have had to. So with Siri’s head on the  block …did it look like Siri stepped back and proclaimed full faith in Moore? Or…did it look like Siri completely demanded his way again?

Those "fantastic plays" are because once broken, our WR's are good enough to give him a window after the route has been broken. Hurts can't even find these guys when they get wide open. It's a huge issue when you deny a free play like that. The WR's worked hard to get open and then they don't get nuttin. it's a good way to lose your WR's

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See it was said that Siri never had control of the D. But supposedly he was giving up control of the O and just becoming CEO HC. Is that what you heard also? But Siri from the get go of Moore’s hire kind of cut that idea off as…well we’re keeping what works and going to find a way to add to it with Moore. All TC hearing all about Moore’s O been taught. Game one looked like Moore’s O. At least the week one begginings of it. Then it started reverting back to Siri’s …less and less of the new O every week. Come the Browns game after the bye…very clear the terrible HCing cost us a 3-0 start…along with other flaws. So everybody…maybe except No Mas knew that Siri was going to be fired if we lost to a terrible Browns team. He would have had to. So with Siri’s head on the  block …did it look like Siri stepped back and proclaimed full faith in Moore? Or…did it look like Siri completely demanded his way again?

Sure Siri is on the hot seat. As i said Moore working with a different QB type and Hurts working with a different coaching type. It's 2 different spectrums and Siri is trying to get them to meet in the middle. It's not easy to do

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure Siri is on the hot seat. As i said Moore working with a different QB type and Hurts working with a different coaching type. It's 2 different spectrums and Siri is trying to get them to meet in the middle. It's not easy to do

That being said,I agree that Siri makes some bonehead calls and his clock management in tight spots is pretty bad