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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think he is a great game manager.     The last 3 weeks throwing 25, 14 and 20 passes.    I wonder how many teams only threw 59 times the last 3 weeks?

Out of 32 ... my guess is between 1 and 3....us being one of them

You two obviously refer to that label very differently than I’ve been accustomed to it being applied. Never really heard it being applied to a QB ad libbing convert first downs on his own with his legs…or striking making big passing plays. Or bullying his way to not be denied from scoring a TD by physical force.

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Two backup Oline in on a squad we finally made the big move to get the elite RB. Of course we should utilize Saquan. Just because we are built to rush the ball so well doesn’t just make our QB a game manager.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think he is a great game manager.     The last 3 weeks throwing 25, 14 and 20 passes.    I wonder how many teams only threw 59 times the last 3 weeks?

Out of 32 ... my guess is between 1 and 3....us being one of them

I’m sure not teams that were playing from behind. Also not teams having their rivals best player RB featured in his return.

Scoring 4 TD game manager…yeah that sure managed things alright

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Scoring 4 TD game manager…yeah that sure managed things alright

Only had the ball in three quarters at that

Throwing it 59 air yards for a TD is game managing now? Being a playmaker creating and converting first downs and scoring TDs with elite display of athletic ability is game managing now?

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think he is a great game manager.     The last 3 weeks throwing 25, 14 and 20 passes.    I wonder how many teams only threw 59 times the last 3 weeks?

Out of 32 ... my guess is between 1 and 3....us being one of them

Let’s just see how many times you can try and spin Saquans Day. That’s twice already.

Those who’ve blamed the lack of motion, QB being under C, reading Ds and low passing numbers over the middle on inability of Hurts….just got without question proven to be wrong. All clear developments resulting from less Siri.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You two obviously refer to that label very differently than I’ve been accustomed to it being applied. Never really heard it being applied to a QB ad libbing convert first downs on his own with his legs…or striking making big passing plays. Or bullying his way to not be denied from scoring a TD by physical force.

I refer to it as not turning the ball over....not making mistakes.   IMO...best two game managers....Montana and Brady 

The intelligence of blaming the coach with the highest winning % in team history ...because he talks some trash to fans....is hilarious 

Yet worship at the alter of a coach who had the genius to pass 62% of the time with 3 RBs....Duce, Buckhalter and Westbrook....with WRs...Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell.

Very ironic. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

The intelligence of blaming the coach with the highest winning % in team history ...because he talks some trash to fans....is hilarious 

Yet worship at the alter of a coach who had the genius to pass 62% of the time with 3 RBs....Duce, Buckhalter and Westbrook....with WRs...Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell.

Very ironic. 

Not to mention how much that 2003 team played with a lead ... 38% having those RBs....probably the best 3 tandem we have had....with arguably the worst 3 WR tandem we have had....pure genuis.

But ...but....  but....  with KC 20 years later....he called a reverse motion play...with what could end up being the best QB of all time.   Just genius.  

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts as a game manager QB? You never cease to surprise me with your takes. The guy that throws mostly downfield making big plays. The guy that creates and converts first downs with fantastic shows of athleticism. The player mostly known for his unbelievable ability to create outside the lines of given plays improvising. 

You mean the guy that hands off to Barkley?

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Have to say I was giving up on Calcattara. He’s been a pleasant surprise. Low bar I know….

Well he is improving at least. Even baby steps is better than nothing

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2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You two obviously refer to that label very differently than I’ve been accustomed to it being applied. Never really heard it being applied to a QB ad libbing convert first downs on his own with his legs…or striking making big passing plays. Or bullying his way to not be denied from scoring a TD by physical force.

He has to ad lib because his ONE READ is covered.1 read and run. So they decided that's Hurts and he's not going to improve,so they reduce his passing attempts. Bullying his way? Like being pushed by 2 250 pound guys following other 250 pound guys? Hurts is now a GAME MANAGER. Get used to it like I will have to.He is a middle of the pack QB. Your failure to see or admit to this is stunning. The agenda above all else. After we changed him to a game manager,we won both those games

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2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think he is a great game manager.     The last 3 weeks throwing 25, 14 and 20 passes.    I wonder how many teams only threw 59 times the last 3 weeks?

Out of 32 ... my guess is between 1 and 3....us being one of them

Best QB in franchise history,bar none!!! 🙄

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Two backup Oline in on a squad we finally made the big move to get the elite RB. Of course we should utilize Saquan. Just because we are built to rush the ball so well doesn’t just make our QB a game manager.

Then what does it make him? He is like Foles now a GAME MANAGER. And we seem to be able to win with that formula. Hurts doesn't throw for 3-4 TD's with any consistency. he is a middle of the road QB which is all we need him to be,but keep polishing those brass balls

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Throwing it 59 air yards for a TD is game managing now? Being a playmaker creating and converting first downs and scoring TDs with elite display of athletic ability is game managing now?

LMAO game managing QB's still throw sometimes. Just like Hurts

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Throwing it 59 air yards for a TD is game managing now? Being a playmaker creating and converting first downs and scoring TDs with elite display of athletic ability is game managing now?

When we let him pass the first 4 weeks he had what 6-7 picks? That's an MVP QB? The best in franchise history?

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23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I refer to it as not turning the ball over....not making mistakes.   IMO...best two game managers....Montana and Brady 

Favre,Young and Manning also

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Throwing it 59 air yards for a TD is game managing now? Being a playmaker creating and converting first downs and scoring TDs with elite display of athletic ability is game managing now?

WOOOOO 1 pass!!!! He's going to set passing records now!!!!

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I refer to it as not turning the ball over....not making mistakes.   IMO...best two game managers....Montana and Brady 

Oh ok …so you label the greatest of all time as Game Manager. It’s been widely used as a label meaning something very very different.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How would you rank our teams past QB’s all time? Feels to me like there are the three main QBs to think on considering their order. Cunningham, Foles and McNabb. I can see making a case for the three to belong in every order.

I love this. So subjective and sooo controversial.

I cannot comment or rank the Eagles QBs before Jaworski, so the list is flawed. 
1) McNabb - although I was never a huge fan, I am grateful for him helping to turn the franchise into an annual contender…and did get them to a Super Bowl….finally. Why he could NEVER throw the easy crossing route right in front of him was baffling.
2) Jaworski - although he was not an elite QB and was a big reason the Eagles lost that Super Bowl…and Montgomery was really the reason that team made it to that SB…Jaws was a "hard knocker” football player. 
3) Vick - my personal favorite to ever play the position for the Eagles. I wish AR could have coached him in Philly for more of his time. Chip Kelly was an absolute joke!

4) Wentz/ Hurts/ Foles - one could make an argument for all three. Foles was great for 2 playoff games…well one anyway, and the biggest game EVER….BUT he never even gets there without the season that Wentz had. Hurts is making progress and took the team to a Super Bowl….and then either got figured out by opposing defenses or regressed some. Wentz is a damn mystery. I thought he would be a 10 year franchise STUD…and it didn’t happen…and no one seems to know why. Foles was pretty average other than a few games and that masterful playoff run. So Foles I suppose.

GO BIRDS!

Oh, I liked Cunningham, but Cunningham was average at best with the Eagles. He never won a playoff game. The reason those teams won any games was because of the DEFENSE. In fact, there were a string of four or five games one of those years where the defense OUTSCORED the offense. Cunningham’s STYLE was new and intriguing but not great at all.

see, more controversy.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Favre,Young and Manning also

Favre not really a game manager....took too many risks 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh ok …so you label the greatest of all time as Game Manager. It’s been widely used as a label meaning something very very different.

The #1 role of the QB is to manage the game

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