10 minutes ago, RoadToHell said:

Let’s say Carolina wins the Stanley Cup which they just might how does Briere view the Flyers against a team like them? Does he Dombrowski it and say they’re right there with them or is he going to be real and see that the team he has now is very far away from being a Stanley Cup contender. The Flyers have been outplayed in every facet in this series. They need a lot of help and I just hope Briere and company see that they’re nowhere near ready. Take this and learn from it

It’s a great series to show how far away they really are from seriously competing for a Stanley Cup. Anyone over the age of 27 should be on the trade block for a young 1C/2C or 1D. Classic example of taking a step back to take two steps forward.

Will the Flyers actually do that? I highly doubt it. They’ll likely blow cap space in the offseason on mid-tier veterans to try to get them over the hump, which will inevitably fail. I’m also skeptical of them hitching their wagon to Vladar on a big contract extension.

Flyers are far away, but they are also on track. No need to break up the forward momentum of the young foundation. I’d probably give the young guys another year to sort themselves out before prematurely making a splash.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's the thing with the trade for Matthews people. They aren't 1 or 2 guys away. Losing patience with the rebuild and pissing away picks and talent would be such a Flyers thing to do.

I’m not saying I’d do the Matthews trade but i could totally see if he or mcdavid become available with their picks and the leafs pick and prospects that briere and jones make that move. I am not saying it’s right or wrong, but I still think that’s gonna be the play if they actually do become available. I’m not sure they can get either one of those deals pulled off though.

26 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

It’s a great series to show how far away they really are from seriously competing for a Stanley Cup. Anyone over the age of 27 should be on the trade block for a young 1C/2C or 1D. Classic example of taking a step back to take two steps forward.

Will the Flyers actually do that? I highly doubt it. They’ll likely blow cap space in the offseason on mid-tier veterans to try to get them over the hump, which will inevitably fail. I’m also skeptical of them hitching their wagon to Vladar on a big contract extension.

I would not sign him. They will blow money on mids. That's the Flyers way.

I'm glad they got experience but in some ways making the playoffs and winning a series may have actually set them back. If Danny keeps the build going it was good. If he deviates it was bad.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying I’d do the Matthews trade but i could totally see if he or mcdavid become available with their picks and the leafs picks and prospects that briere and jones make that move. I am not saying it’s right or wrong, but I still think that’s gonna be the play if they actually do become available. I’m not sure they can get either one of those deals pulled off though.

That would be epically stupid.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying I’d do the Matthews trade but i could totally see if he or mcdavid become available with their picks and the leafs pick and prospects that briere and jones make that move. I am not saying it’s right or wrong, but I still think that’s gonna be the play if they actually do become available. I’m not sure they can get either one of those deals pulled off though.

I think the price for Matthews would start with Martone, Toronto’s first round pick next year that we own, and our first round pick this year.

If Matthews was younger, sign me up, but given his age and the lack of blue chip prospects and talent the Flyers have, I don’t think I could pull the trigger on that deal.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

That would be epically stupid.

I view it this way, having a guy hypothetically like McDavid pushes guys down and back into spots in the lines that can make you have better depth and better positioning to utilize their skill sets. Do i think it make them a title contender? Probably not. I said this last series and really going into the playoffs, the Flyers need a top defenseman. They have not over the last 25 years been able to draft and develop a number one defenseman. When they have had a number one defenseman it’s always via a trade. They have a bunch of guys on this roster that are second pairings or third pairing defenseman. Now you can make the argument that Sanheim or Risto could be a number one pairing if they actually had a true number one defenseman. To me they need a 1C and a 1D.

I also know that guys like Connor McDavid don’t become available very often. So if they do become available even at 30/31 and you believe you can get another seven prime years with him, I think you owe it to yourself to see if you can acquire him or what it would cost. The flyers have drafted well but yet they have not drafted a mcdavid type player outside of Giroux in the last 20 years. Imo mcdavid is another tier up from G.

Again, I’m not saying to go and do it, but I could totally see Briere and Jones saying to themselves this type of player if we get 7-8 really great years out of him don’t become available too often.i think they don’t have the ammo it’ll require in a bidding war with some other teams and teams potentially much more desperate

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

I think the price for Matthews would start with Martone, Toronto’s first round pick next year that we own, and our first round pick this year.

If Matthews was younger, sign me up, but given his age and the lack of blue chip prospects and talent the Flyers have, I don’t think I could pull the trigger on that deal.

I don’t think they are going to be able to get it done. I tend to think the best offer the Flyers could make or want to make is michkov, leafs pick, their own pick and another prospect. I like michkov, but I could see him being used in a trade like that.

I don’t see them getting it done, but I also don’t believe they’re just gonna sit on the sideline if those guys like Mathews and McDavid become available via trade. I think they’re gonna be in it. I just don’t think they’re gonna get it done or be desperate enough too. Frankly, I think McDavid has a better chance of going to San Jose because of everything. I’ve read that ties him to there and what San Jose could do. Matthews is more interesting as i assume Toronto wants that 1st back in a rebuild. I still see a team offering more than us to get him

I continue to say not getting gauthier signed hurts you. This is another scenario where it does. Could’ve dealt michkov and kept martone and gauthier. Could make a move like that with martone and gauthier on this roster. That top line would’ve pretty ridiculous going forward

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I view it this way, having a guy hypothetically like McDavid pushes guys down and back into spots in the lines that can make you have better depth and better positioning to utilize their skill sets. Do i think it make them a title contender? Probably not. I said this last series and really going into the playoffs, the Flyers need a top defenseman. They have not over the last 25 years been able to draft and develop a number one defenseman. When they have had a number one defenseman it’s always via a trade. They have a bunch of guys on this roster that are second pairings or third pairing defenseman. Now you can make the argument that Sanheim or Risto could be a number one pairing if they actually had a true number one defenseman. To me they need a 1C and a 1D.

I also know that guys like Connor McDavid don’t become available very often. So if they do become available even at 30/31 and you believe you can get another seven prime years with him, I think you owe it to yourself to see if you can acquire him or what it would cost. The flyers have drafted well but yet they have not drafted a mcdavid type player outside of Giroux in the last 20 years. Imo mcdavid is another tier up from G.

Again, I’m not saying to go and do it, but I could totally see Briere and Jones saying to themselves this type of player if we get 7-8 really great years out of him don’t become available too often.i think they don’t have the ammo it’ll require in a bidding war with some other teams and teams potentially much more desperate

Let another team get them. At their age and health it would be absolutely stupid for the Flyers to jump into that. They owe it to the fans to keep building it the right way and not dump the rebuild for one player who will not put them over the top. They have too many holes. All it will do is throw the last few years out the window for nothing. Stay patient and build.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Let another team get them. At their age and health it would be absolutely stupid for the Flyers to jump into that. They owe it to the fans to keep building it the right way and not dump the rebuild for one player who will not put them over the top. They have too many holes. All it will do is throw the last few years out the window for nothing.

tbh i think a sizable portion of their issues stem from not having a true 1C and 1D. Forgetting this is the 8th consecutive playoff run for Carolina. Of course they are going to look better. They’ve been there and done this. Experience matters unless your the penguins who were at the very end of their time. I think flyers have pieces to build with but some prospects will pan out and some won’t. I do believe acquiring a 1C whether draft, FA or trade who’s a legit 1C solves a bunch of issues in line construction. It puts guys into better spots and better position to succeed. Getting 1C and 1D will also likely help the PP.

That said, Defensively they need a 1D. It helps do the same thing as 1C by moving guys into better parings to succeed and not depending on a top pairing of sanheim and risto. No offense i don’t think that’s a true top pairing that will win you something meaningful.

The issue is more can the Flyers draft and develop those guys to become top guys or will they have just a bunch of solid to good players just not great? I think you need a couple of great players. Martone may be that. Michkov may be that. Not signing gauthier hurts cause he’s already starting to show that. Besides winger, Imo center they may be able to do that. They’ve shown in their history they can but they just recently have yet to hit big

However, defenseman when was the last time they drafted and developed a Dman tha became a true number one defenseman? It’s been a while. They can draft a cam York or a Sanheim or guys of that ilk who are solid to even good. I’d argue they can be half of a top pairing if you had that top guy like a pronger or to a lesser extent kimmo. Imo you’re gonna have a problem at some point in time as you’re gonna have to go get that top guy. You could hope one hits free agency but realistically it’s likely needing to happen via trade. Prospects right now are around 10 from most places I’ve read so you have the ammo and cap space to do it now.

Prospect pool changes so eventually might not have prospects or cap to pull it off. That is also a risk in this. I view this way, i can go either way with it. I just don’t think the flyers are gonna sit around and wait 2-3 years to then finally decide whether or not they’re gonna do it. If they believe a guy is available to get and they think that that particular player can elevate the franchise, I think they’re gonna go out try to make that move. I don’t think they’re gonna sit on their hands this off-season. Imo i thought 2026 and 2027 offseasons were when they were going to be much more active. I kind of think they were always building towards these two offseasons with cap they were opening

Winning this series was gonna be hard. Winning it without Tippett was gonna be harder. Winning it without Tippett and Cates is impossible. The team is already razor thin on talent, they were never going to survive losing Tippett let alone Tippett and Cates.

They're still very far away from actually competing, but they're a good young team.

It feels like the Flyers do a better job with drafting than they do with managing veteran personnel. I don’t think they are quite at the point in their life cycle where you want to make veteran splashes.

Not sure which contract annoys me more- Konecny or Dvorak. Both unnecessary for average players.

1 hour ago, vsptroops said:

Not sure which contract annoys me more- Konecny or Dvorak. Both unnecessary for average players.

TK. Tk there was significant hope he could take another step up especially after 2024 where he had 76 points. He’s been MIA in their postseason runs for the most part. He is also making about 2.5+ mil more than Dvorak

we got issues offensively and we are playing Carolina. but it could also be Tocchet’s style of play contributing to it as well

Kimmo on the pp

As I said, the power play will be the reason we get bounced in this round.

How about that turnover machine Busty getting less and less minutes while half the team is hurt. I’m packing TK and Busty, if possible, this off season to get a young prospect or a young vet.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

we got issues offensively and we are playing Carolina. but it could also be Tocchet’s style of play contributing to it as well

There are two reasons we are not advancing. 1 is that we have been playing playoff hockey for nearly 3 months now. No breaks, every game and point mattered. That took all the energy out of them. That also is the main reason most of the guys are hurt. Then they were suppose to get at least 4 day before round 2. They got less than 48 hour notice. Carolina was off for 7 days. They were also resting guys towards the end to season since their seed was set. They are the well rested and non injured team.

Number 2: Our Power Play stinks.

Toch’s system isn’t the issue. They were the best team after Olympic break. Now they are completely gassed and injured.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

There are two reasons we are not advancing. 1 is that we have been playing playoff hockey for nearly 3 months now. No breaks, every game and point mattered. That took all the energy out of them. That also is the main reason most of the guys are hurt. Then they were suppose to get at least 4 day before round 2. They got less than 48 hour notice. Carolina was off for 7 days. They were also resting guys towards the end to season since their seed was set. They are the well rested and non injured team.

Number 2: Our Power Play stinks.

Toch’s system isn’t the issue. They were the best team after Olympic break. Now they are completely gassed and injured.

Injuries haven’t helped. Not sure cates and Tippett are tipping the scales into the Flyers favor to win this series. More competitive could see that. PP has been bad for 5 years. It’s a big reason why the Flyers likely had to play at the rate they did just to make the playoffs from the Olympic break on cause probably much better record with a better PP

There’s a chance without the Olympic break happening (doesn’t happen every year) they might not make the playoffs either. they are gassed from playoffs every night from that point on but conversely that Olympic break also helped them get reorganized/refocused, healthier and more juice to get here too. If we are being honest, they looked like they were dead in the water prior to that stoppage. They had lost 14 of 21 games going into the break so they were winning at a .333 clip. Credit to the Flyers for playing well down the stretch, turning their season around and being in almost every game. went to 9 OT or SO games after the Olympic break (nearly 40% of their games). Won 8 of 9. That’s a ridiculous stat cause odds say probably shouldn’t win OT/SO at a .889 clip (heck most of the league didn’t or doesn’t).

Carolina had the 2nd most points in the NHL. They might be the best or second best team in the league. The Flyers played them tough in the regular season. the Flyers tended to play everyone tough as they had 34% of their games went to OT. So they generally were in a bunch of close games. Think it’s due to PP issues, style of play and the talent they have and where they are in the rebuild. 34% of the time got themselves points that way and sometimes another winning shootouts or 3 on 3 hockey.

Imo injuries didn’t help, PP is a disaster and Carolina just exerting their style and their talent is winning out. That said 3 different playoff runs/teams for Tocchet. all 3 had the similar type of result offensively. I tend to agree with you that running out of gas and their lack of power-play (also lack of great playoff experience and not as talented as Carolina) but if we get back here next year, and it’s the same thing then probably need to start having the convo as it begins to more of a pattern.

like tkachuk. Hes 27 and i think he can take another step and get back to his 35 and 37 goal seasons in 2022 and 2023. But he’s also not a center. He’s a LW.  So you still have issues at C going forward. Add on his goals have begun dropping off but he’s also Missed more time 

54 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Injuries haven’t helped. Not sure cates and Tippett are tipping the scales into the Flyers favor to win this series. More competitive could see that. PP has been bad for 5 years. It’s a big reason why the Flyers likely had to play at the rate they did just to make the playoffs from the Olympic break on cause probably much better record with a better PP

There’s a chance without the Olympic break happening (doesn’t happen every year) they might not make the playoffs either. they are gassed from playoffs every night from that point on but conversely that Olympic break also helped them get reorganized/refocused, healthier and more juice to get here too. If we are being honest, they looked like they were dead in the water prior to that stoppage. They had lost 14 of 21 games going into the break so they were winning at a .333 clip. Credit to the Flyers for playing well down the stretch, turning their season around and being in almost every game. went to 9 OT or SO games after the Olympic break (nearly 40% of their games). Won 8 of 9. That’s a ridiculous stat cause odds say probably shouldn’t win OT/SO at a .889 clip (heck most of the league didn’t or doesn’t).

Carolina had the 2nd most points in the NHL. They might be the best or second best team in the league. The Flyers played them tough in the regular season. the Flyers tended to play everyone tough as they had 34% of their games went to OT. So they generally were in a bunch of close games. Think it’s due to PP issues, style of play and the talent they have and where they are in the rebuild. 34% of the time got themselves points that way and sometimes another winning shootouts or 3 on 3 hockey.

Imo injuries didn’t help, PP is a disaster and Carolina just exerting their style and their talent is winning out. That said 3 different playoff runs/teams for Tocchet. all 3 had the similar type of result offensively. I tend to agree with you that running out of gas and their lack of power-play (also lack of great playoff experience and not as talented as Carolina) but if we get back here next year, and it’s the same thing then probably need to start having the convo as it begins to more of a pattern.

Forerster has been very injured but played through it. The eye test tells me that. Last game he had some burst back but he is still way off. If you compare his first 5 games back with all the games after, it’s night and day. I would argue he is one of the best players on the team, if not the best. So yeah, it makes a difference. Other guys are hurt too but playing through them. The injuries might be disclosed after season.

This ain’t the nba. These guys will play through bad wrists, shoulders, knees, ankles, etc. NBA players take off for hang nails and also get rest days when they shouldn’t need them.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Forerster has been very injured but played through it. The eye test tells me that. Last game he had some burst back but he is still way off. If you compare his first 5 games back with all the games after, it’s night and day. I would argue he is one of the best players on the team, if not the best. So yeah, it makes a difference. Other guys are hurt too but playing through them. The injuries might be disclosed after season.

We can say the injuries hurt them, but every team in the playoffs has guys played through injuries due to the grind of the season and just playoffs. Connor McDavid was playing with a fractured ankle and foot. I’m sure the hurricanes have some guys also banged up. Maybe not to the Flyers extent but you are never gonna get thru the nhl playoffs unscathed. That’s just the nature of the NHL playoffs. Next year if we make the playoffs they probably will also have guys banged up and playing thru it.

Carolina has been a significantly better team from start to end of the season. Reason finished with 2nd most points in the nhl. they could’ve finished with more if they didn’t sit guys the last week of the season. They also have an excellent coach. He’s finished in 1st or 2nd place in our division for 6 consecutive years and 5 of 6 years had 2nd or 3rd most points in the nhl. That team is very good. They play a hard style to combat, very well coached and unfortunate at this stage more talented then the Flyers.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

but every team in the playoffs has guys played through injuries

That’s literally my point. Carolina is not playing through injuries at all and are more well rested.