5 minutes ago, What The F said:

If the cap goes down by 50 million next year, how many teams with contracts already in place, would be forced to release big name players? There will be language in it to protect that from happening.  If not, how many teams will be over the cap by over 50 million next year? It would wreak havoc on the league.  

alright, so the chart @downundermike just posted is bogus. No way its going down almost 50m. 

I never said that  would be the cap for next year, you can do the math yourself on the cap staying at 215, or increasing to 225.  Regardless, we are going to cut players to get under the cap, and have 33-36 players under contract with no cap space to sign replacements and draft picks.

8 minutes ago, What The F said:

If the cap goes down by 50 million next year, how many teams with contracts already in place, would be forced to release big name players? There will be language in it to protect that from happening.  If not, how many teams will be over the cap by over 50 million next year? It would wreak havoc on the league.  

alright, so the chart @downundermike just posted is bogus. No way its going down almost 50m. 

It’s not bogus, it’s more a worst case scenario. Cap is only 185Mish this year and they have it projected at 176. The floor is 175

2006

Delanie walker 183

Brandon Marshall 179

2007

Ted Ginn jr 187

Calvin Johnson 135

2008 

DeSean Jackson 155

Jordy Nelson 151

2009

DHB 144

Mike Wallace 144

Crabtree 143

2010

Andre Roberts 148

Golden Tate 148

Emmanuel Sanders 144

Demaryius   Thomas 143

2011

Randall Cobb 120

Torey Smith 119

2012

Sanu 118

T y Hilton 118

Jarius wright 111

2013

Cordarrelle Patterson  111

DeAndre Hopkins 110 

I went through this list for WR drafted between 2006- 2013. The listed receivers are the top in games played for their draft year.

I did this to combat the notion that DeSean is oft injured. He actually the most consistent from his own draft class and that does include missing all last year. Some quick math and he he is still near or close to the top with WR with less years of service.

Just kept hearing about Jackson injuries the numbers seem to indicate he has been consistently available. 

 

Food for thought...

 

 

I think the press conference rhythm will eventually make it feel like week 1.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s not bogus, it’s more a worst case scenario. Cap is only 185Mish this year and they have it projected at 176. The floor is 175

Sorry. I read the chart as this years cap being 222m and next years being 174m.  Its actually 198m this year. So with a 10m cap in reduction it can only go down to 188m next year. 

 

We're fine there. 

14 minutes ago, What The F said:

Thats not going to happen. And from what I understand, even if it does, there are offsets for pre-existing contracts to keep teams from going over the cap with existing contracts that would NOT have sent them over the cap in a normal season. Could you imagine the cap suddenly going down by 20..30..40.. million next year, how many teams would have to release franchise players? Not going to happen.   It will get figured out. 

I’m also guessing if something like that does occur with a massive drop the NFL is going to allow teams like the NBA has done in the past with a one-year amnesty clause where they can amnesty one or two players where the cap number is completely removed to get back under the cap. Guys like alshon and malik would significantly help if they did that. 

also Like lean said there was an article saying it will only drop by 10 million. So even so you’re still gonna be over but you’re not gonna have the drastic $50 million drop.

3 minutes ago, In2football said:

 

2008 

DeSean Jackson 155

Jordy Nelson 151

I went through this list for WR drafted between 2006- 2013. The listed receivers are the top in games played for their draft year.

I did this to combat the notion that DeSean is oft injured. He actually the most consistent from his own draft class and that does include missing all last year. Some quick math and he he is still near or close to the top with WR with less years of service.

Just kept hearing about Jackson injuries the numbers seem to indicate he has been consistently available. 

 

Food for thought...

 

 

Jordy Nelson missed 9 games in his career.

DeSean missed 15 games last year.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Jordy Nelson missed 9 games in his career.

DeSean missed 15 games last year.

Just going by games played listed maybe it's completely wrong

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/draft.htm

Link to the site I used.

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. 176M is very conservative + cap room doesn't include rollover, so we're looking at likely negative 60M unless the TV money is fantastic. Next year will be tough.

I doubt the owners let the cap go down. Too many big market teams would be hit hard

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I don’t understand where the "176 mil” projected cap is coming from.  From everything I’ve read it’s still supposed to go up about 10 million.  At worst, they are starting to propose a "flat cap” for 2021 and even that would keep  it at just under 200 mil for 2021. 

2 minutes ago, In2football said:

Just going by games played listed maybe it's completely wrong

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/draft.htm

Link to the site I used.

Jordy Nelson played 15 or 16 games in 8 of his 10 NFL seasons.

DeSean only did that 6 of 12 seasons.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I doubt the owners let the cap go down. Too many big market teams would be hit hard

Nothing that has been reported says they could even do that if they "tried".  The new CBA may only allow for a "flat cap" for 2021, keeping it at 196 mil and even that has yet to be agreed to. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I don’t understand where the "176 mil” projected cap is coming from.  From everything I’ve read it’s still supposed to go up about 10 million.  At worst, they are starting to propose a "flat cap” for 2021 and even that would keep  it at just under 200 mil for 2021. 

I actually thought the NFL should’ve considered having 2021 as an uncapped year. And then have everyone has to get back to cap compliant in 2022 with the projections of what you were thinking the cap would be. Obviously have to put some rules in place of teams don’t just Make ridiculous contracts where it’s for just that uncapped year to the number is astronomical for that year then drops the next years. I don’t think they’d do that but it would be better option imo than if the cap dropped by like 50 million (not going to happen). 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Jordy Nelson played 15 or 16 games in 8 of his 10 NFL seasons.

DeSean only did that 6 of 12 seasons.

Comparatively with most of the names listed, who have all played the most games from their Draft class it looks like Jackson holds up well. 

Just a different point of view

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don’t understand where the "176 mil” projected cap is coming from.  From everything I’ve read it’s still supposed to go up about 10 million.  At worst, they are starting to propose a "flat cap” for 2021 and even that would keep  it at just under 200 mil for 2021. 

Regardless.  Cap is 198.2 million this year.  Let’s say hypothetically it goes up to 210 million.  Eagles are 48 million over.  They roll over 18 million, they are 30 million over.  They then have to get rid of DeSean, Alshon, Malik Jackson and Barnett to get close to even.  That means the are back to even with 34 - 36 players under contract.  Then someone has to go to sign the draft class.  Deduct that cut and add the 7 draft picks, they are even with 40 - 42 players under contract.

2 minutes ago, In2football said:

Comparatively with most of the names listed, who have all played the most games from their Draft class it looks like Jackson holds up well. 

Just a different point of view

Well most of the other guys listed are drafted after DeSean, so obviously they would have played less games.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Jordy Nelson missed 9 games in his career.

DeSean missed 15 games last year.

Nelson missed the entire 2015 season so it has to be more than 9. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Well most of the other guys listed are drafted after DeSean, so obviously they would have played less games.

And if you add their average games played per season for additional seasons they remain at or near Jackson level.

 

Just now, In2football said:

And if you add their average games played per season for additional seasons they remain at or near Jackson level.

 

When I get to a PC I will analyze this.

Lol AFTER all that, Peters is the LT. 

Ok well I hope he can hold up for 16 weeks. 

This is why I try to stick to the DJ Booth 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfKqtXhF_eM

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Regardless.  Cap is 198.2 million this year.  Let’s say hypothetically it goes up to 210 million.  Eagles are 48 million over.  They roll over 18 million, they are 30 million over.  They then have to get rid of DeSean, Alshon, Malik Jackson and Barnett to get close to even.  That means the are back to even with 34 - 36 players under contract.  Then someone has to go to sign the draft class.  Deduct that cut and add the 7 draft picks, they are even with 40 - 42 players under contract.

Guaranteeing they are restructuring cox and wentz. That’ll clear up a bunch of cap space when they do it. I’ve played around with the calculator on overthecap. When you restructure those two you clear a bunch of cap space. 

Just now, TrotterIsGod said:

Lol AFTER all that, Peters is the LT. 

Ok well I hope he can hold up for 16 weeks. 

Yeah, you really went on quite the odyssey there.

1 minute ago, TrotterIsGod said:

Lol AFTER all that, Peters is the LT. 

Ok well I hope he can hold up for 16 weeks. 

So you were wrong. Not shocking 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Guaranteeing they are restructuring cox and wentz. That’ll clear up a bunch of cap space when they do it. I’ve played around with the calculator on overthecap. When you restructure those two you clear a bunch of cap space. 

Just kicking the can. At some point we will have to pay the piper. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So you were wrong. Not shocking 

Not yet, Mailata could easily wind up there. I don't think Peters at 38 can last.  .. I was wrong about who starts week one yes. 

So I guess they didn't sign Cordy Glenn right? Haven't googled any of it.