11 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Isn’t it fair to say the lack of talent on offense, combined with Dougs play calling, and Wentz’s poor play led to the Eagles bad season?  
 I don’t understand where the Wentz vs Pederson stuff came from, I can’t believe Wentz completely fell out with Pederson  just over play calling.  The coach did leave Wentz as the starter longer than most coaches would have, you would think the opposite would be true. 

Obviously Doug and the FO had issues, but Carson having issues with either doesn’t seem right, he could be a little pissed they drafted Hurts instead of getting him another playmaker but he shouldn’t of carried that with him all year.  Even Jenkins said Doug protected Carson too long, meaning the coach and the QB should be fine. 
 

Yes, it absolutely is fair to say that

That's a complex relationship that likely boils down to many things over a long time.  For example, from "reports", Doug simplified the offense due to so many new faces and changes and Carson per "reports" disagreed with that.  We don't know the full story, but that could be a small part of a bigger relationship issue.

14 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

There are a couple of extreme posters pushing that Wentz Hater vs. Wentz Washer garbage and constantly going over-the-top about it.  There is one that is on the attack 24/7 (you quoted him).  Most people readily admit that he didn't play well enough this year and that he needs to improve. The disagreement is about the "stay or go" decision.  Some believe it's in the best interest of the team to stick it out with Wentz (me) and some think that he isn't worth the effort or time and want to move on.  That's how the labels are used.  There are two sides to the argument about who provides the best opportunity to win from behind center.

Add: there seems to be way more labelling as a Wentz Washer going on, because the squeakiest wheel likes to stoke the division and call people out for not agreeing with him.   Just my take.

 

I see...

Well, we shall see if they can fix him and get this team going in an upward trend. 

8 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Isn’t it fair to say the lack of talent on offense, combined with Dougs play calling, and Wentz’s poor play led to the Eagles bad season?  
 I don’t understand where the Wentz vs Pederson stuff came from, I can’t believe Wentz completely fell out with Pederson  just over play calling.  The coach did leave Wentz as the starter longer than most coaches would have, you would think the opposite would be true. 

Obviously Doug and the FO had issues, but Carson having issues with either doesn’t seem right, he could be a little pissed they drafted Hurts instead of getting him another playmaker but he shouldn’t of carried that with him all year.  Even Jenkins said Doug protected Carson too long, meaning the coach and the QB should be fine. 
 

 

 

I think so

10 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I see...

Well, we shall see if they can fix him and get this team going in an upward trend. 

I don't know if we will or not.   Personally, I think he is gone for a variety of reasons, including his play.  I don't like that concept, but can deal with it.

Relate to your response to @greend, i have yet to see those posters that flat out consider Wentz a non-issue.  Name a few.  It is routinely stated by many people (including me) that he did not play well this year and has to improve for the team to improve.  I just don't ignore the injuries, Doug's awful game day performance, Howie's drafts, Covid effects, and a poorly built, aging roster AND I look at Wentz's performance in totality.  But what do I know? I am labelled a Wentz Washer. How could I ever take a fair and balanced look at it?

 

6 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

But see.....that is the problem. Alot of people don't seem to see wentz was one of the MAIN problems last year. So yeah, I really don't see a need to stick with him other than his contract because it just seems he is on a downward trend and has been for years. So why stick with a guy who has already reached his ceiling?? Like I said in another post, I wouldn't necessarily hate it if he is named the starter going forward IF he can be fixed but if not....we are in for some trouble.

Name them. Wentz was one of the "main problems" last year. I'm not throwing away the talent that the guy obviously has because of one bad season though. That said if he goes he goes. I've been alive for a ton of Eagles qbs some I have liked and others not so much. If he turns it around it's a win for us, but if he doesn't we've made a pretty big mistake as a team.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Name them. Wentz was one of the "main problems" last year. I'm not throwing away the talent that the guy obviously has because of one bad season though. That said if he goes he goes. I've been alive for a ton of Eagles qbs some I have liked and others not so much. If he turns it around it's a win for us, but if he doesn't we've made a pretty big mistake as a team.

"Name them" is the perfect response.  I have asked for that in several posts, but the pivot happens immediately after.

10 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

There is none. Even the slightest positive take on Wentz drives them insane and they take that as everyone saying Wentz was a non issue. So later if he fails they can say they were right. 90% of this board is people caring more about being right then actually giving a sheet about the well being of the team. 

I agree.   I don't know if it is 90%, but there are definitely a few that are hell bent to scream that they were right for having the contrarian view every single time.  I was on the original board from the beginning and it just seems to be way worse now.   

14 minutes ago, greend said:

Name them. Wentz was one of the "main problems" last year. I'm not throwing away the talent that the guy obviously has because of one bad season though. That said if he goes he goes. I've been alive for a ton of Eagles qbs some I have liked and others not so much. If he turns it around it's a win for us, but if he doesn't we've made a pretty big mistake as a team.

Tell me exactly why I have to 'name them??" I am not saying that just to say it, I have seen it on the board. I am not going to go searching in all these threads just to prove to you that that is what I have seen here and I think it is utterly ridiculous to demand that of someone to try and prove a point. I am also not blind to the other issues on this team as I have said wentz is one of the main problems....I am sticking to that, he was absolutely horrible this year but the other weaknesses of the team stand out as well such as DP having one of the top RB's in the league and refusing to use him, howie's sucking at the draft, the makeshift OL, etc and the list goes on.....

Let me be clear on this: I have not seen anything in wentz's five years here that says to me he will turn this around....I just do not think that's true at all, however, if he is named the starter and plays well and DOES turn it around, I am all for that. I am all for him being given another chance to prove he is worth his salary...I just think he needs an opportunity and a fresh start elsewhere but hey....I will be one of the first ones to come back to this thread and eat crow if he comes back and lights it up next season. 

12 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree.   I don't know if it is 90%, but there are definitely a few that are hell bent to scream that they were right for having the contrarian view every single time.  I was on the original board from the beginning and it just seems to be way worse now.   

Hey they can come up with extreme numbers so can I lol

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Hey they can come up with extreme numbers so can I lol

In your defense, it does feel like 90% with the massive amount of repeated postings from those few.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

In your defense, it does feel like 90% with the massive amount of repeated postings from those few.

We aren't getting an answer to any of this till next year. So it will be the same arguments over and over until then. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

We aren't getting an answer to any of this till next year. So it will be the same arguments over and over until then. 

That was my point to UK for the past 2 weeks.  No one's mind is being changed no matter how they twist the argument or place the labels or call names.  This is Wentz vs. Foles all over again.  It's just "Wentz stay or go'.

The worst part is that every topic becomes this same thing.  

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That was my point to UK for the past 2 weeks.  No one's mind is being changed no matter how they twist the argument or place the labels or call names.  This is Wentz vs. Foles all over again.  It's just "Wentz stay or go'.

The worst part is that every topic becomes this same thing.  

Absolutely, then when it starts to slow down a bit some random poster drops in and gives their opinion then restart the whole thing all over again. It's maddening, I don't know how anyone can keep up with the same tired arguments all day everyday. Some desperate people out there trying to have their opinion heard lol. 

35 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Tell me exactly why I have to 'name them??" I am not saying that just to say it, I have seen it on the board. I am not going to go searching in all these threads just to prove to you that that is what I have seen here and I think it is utterly ridiculous to demand that of someone to try and prove a point. I am also not blind to the other issues on this team as I have said wentz is one of the main problems....I am sticking to that, he was absolutely horrible this year but the other weaknesses of the team stand out as well such as DP having one of the top RB's in the league and refusing to use him, howie's sucking at the draft, the makeshift OL, etc and the list goes on.....

Let me be clear on this: I have not seen anything in wentz's five years here that says to me he will turn this around....I just do not think that's true at all, however, if he is named the starter and plays well and DOES turn it around, I am all for that. I am all for him being given another chance to prove he is worth his salary...I just think he needs an opportunity and a fresh start elsewhere but hey....I will be one of the first ones to come back to this thread and eat crow if he comes back and lights it up next season. 

I haven't seen anyone that thinks Wentz played well or is even trying to say that Wentz played "good enough". He made a ton of mistakes. Not sure who says otherwise.

37 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

We aren't getting an answer to any of this till next year. So it will be the same arguments over and over until then. 

Honestly we don’t know that. A lot can change from now till the start of the season. It’s possible one or both of these quarterbacks can be traded. The coach insinuated the will be a quarterback competition this morning as well so there is no guarantee of anything. For all we know the Eagles could draft another quarterback with the 6th pick in the draft. I believe the Eagles have till March to decide on what to do with Carson. After that point they’re locked in for a few years. Heck at this point we aren’t even sure Carson wants to be here. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Honestly we don’t know that. A lot can change from now till the start of the season. It’s possible one or both of these quarterbacks can be traded. The coach insinuated the will be a quarterback competition this morning as well so there is no guarantee of anything. For all we know the Eagles could draft another quarterback with the 6th pick in the draft. I believe the Eagles have till March to decide on what to do with Carson. After that point they’re locked in for a few years. Heck at this point we aren’t even sure Carson wants to be here. 

Yes and when or if one of these QBs move on people will still argue over if it was a good move or not based on what that QB is doing on another team and the one that stayed here. Or we have both and still won't know anything till another season is played through to get the full picture. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So what do people make of the QB coach hire in relation to Wentz? I think there are a couple of ways to look it. On the one hand we can read it like there's nothing really to the Hurts link. So he tried to recruit Hurts out of High School and has an established relationship with the player. Does that mean Wentz won't get a look in? No it doesn't. But at the same time I think there is something to this. I mean he has known Hurts since Hurts was 4/5 years old? I can't imagine the hire has gone over too well with Wentz on a personal level? And if it was the other way around and the new QB coach had a long term relationship with Wentz then I think people would be making something of that.

In the end I hope the Eagles play the one that gives them the best chances to win and not the guy with the big contract just cause he has a big contract. A player doesn’t decline like Wentz has and suddenly becomes good again especially staying in the same place. For both parties I think it’s best to move on. Despite what some of the peanut galley thinks enough of Philly has soured on this player. The first sign of trouble and he will receive relentless boos. Is he mentally strong enough to handle that? I don’t think so and nothing the peanut galley have posted makes me believe otherwise. 

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes and when or if one of these QBs move on people will still argue over if it was a good move or not based on what that QB is doing on another team and the one that stayed here. Or we have both and still won't know anything till another season is played through to get the full picture. 

If nothing else by the end of the draft we will at least know who is here and who isn’t. As far as what these quarterbacks do as non Eagles I’m not going to care that much about it. What matters is how well the guy under center is playing. If by some chance the Eagles have a rookie under center next year it would certainly be way too soon to cast judgment on the guy after a few games. New coach and a new quarterback could take some time for them to jell. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

If nothing else by the end of the draft we will at least know who is here and who isn’t. As far as what these quarterbacks do as non Eagles I’m not going to care that much about it. What matters is how well the guy under center is playing. If by some chance the Eagles have a rookie under center next year it would certainly be way too soon to cast judgment on the guy after a few games. New coach and a new quarterback could take some time for them to jell. 

I see no possible way in hell they take a QB early again. 

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I see no possible way in hell they take a QB early again. 

What? You see no chance of the "quarterback factory” taking another quarterback? Honestly if you told me before the draft last year the Eagles were taking a quarterback in the second round I wouldn’t have beloved it either. The way they draft just leaves me scratching my head now. I’m not telling you I believe they will draft a quarterback with the 6th pick in the draft, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did anymore. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

What? You see no chance of the "quarterback factory” taking another quarterback? Honestly if you told me before the draft last year the Eagles were taking a quarterback in the second round I wouldn’t have beloved it either. The way they draft just leaves me scratching my head now. I’m not telling you I believe they will draft a quarterback with the 6th pick in the draft, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did anymore. 

If fields is there then yes I would be shocked they didn't take him. I don't see him being there though. 

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

If fields is there then yes I would be shocked they didn't take him. I don't see him being there though. 

I’ve saw a few mock drafts linking them to Fields. I don’t know if he would be there or how much they really like him. By the end of the draft we at least will have some questions answered. Then again it it’s anything like it was after last year’s draft we could end up with a boatload of new questions. 😂

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’ve saw a few mock drafts linking them to Fields. I don’t know if he would be there or how much they really like him. By the end of the draft we at least will have some questions answered. Then again it it’s anything like it was after last year’s draft we could end up with a boatload of new questions. 😂

This whole team is non stop questions and nausea lol. 

1 hour ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Let me be clear on this: I have not seen anything in wentz's five years here that says to me he will turn this around....I just do not think that's true at all, however, if he is named the starter and plays well and DOES turn it around, I am all for that. I am all for him being given another chance to prove he is worth his salary...I just think he needs an opportunity and a fresh start elsewhere but hey....I will be one of the first ones to come back to this thread and eat crow if he comes back and lights it up next season. 

This is the million dollar question, is Wentz the 2017 guy or what we've seen the 3 years since 2017?

If anyone (Reich) thinks he's the 2017 guy then re-do his contract to the Colts likings and trade him, in return we get draft picks.

I think the Eagles could get as little as a 3rd round pick this year in return and come out on top if Howie knows what to do with it.

7 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

This is the million dollar question, is Wentz the 2017 guy or what we've seen the 3 years since 2017?

If anyone (Reich) thinks he's the 2017 guy then re-do his contract to the Colts likings and trade him, in return we get draft picks.

I think the Eagles could get as little as a 3rd round pick this year in return and come out on top if Howie knows what to do with it.

 

 

Wentz was good in 2018 and 2019.  Last year he was terrible.