3 minutes ago, greend said:

Hello Rams welcome to the basement with us.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bills had 25 first downs tonight; eagles have had 25 firsts downs in two weeks.

It helps to have a dual threat QB.

Clearly Hailee Steinfeld helps improve Josh Allen’s play whereas Madison beer has regressed Herberts…

Boom dynamite analysis

Added analysis, Matt Stafford’s wife is now going to have to sleep with the backup Qb to motivate him and the kicking game

The good news is if Eagles ever get their act together in here they could have a shot in the playoffs depending on matchups. Hard to see the forest through the trees right now. But it can't be ruled out. Need 6-3 by the bye week to say they have truly turned the corner. 5-4 would be the minimum or forget it.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

It helps to have a dual threat QB.

It’s why I posted the statistics today about hurts not having as many designed runs over the past couple years and him just not running as much. He needs to utilize that aspect of his game. If he can’t do that any more then it really levels the playing for opponents. Hurts is inconsistent as a passer. Can be great in moments and not good in others. So defenses will live with him having to beat them with his arm. Hurts himself and coaches need him to utilize his legs as it makes him and the offense more dynamic.

I was also thinking this earlier today, I am surprised Josh Allen has been as durable as he is with how much he’s runs. I get he’s a bigger guy. But he has taken some shots as a runner and not missed much if any time due to injury or concussion.

I wish Hurts would still use his legs a little more.....that last drive is a good example of the extra stress it can place on D's.

16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It just isn’t true though. They had the lead in KC with 7 seconds left, the defense blew it. He drove down twice in that game in the final 2 minutes for TDs. Kincaid dropped a pass in the 2024 AFCCG. This idea that he blows it in key spots is wholly untrue. He’s came up big plenty of times.

Look at who you are talking to. They want to magnify Allen's mistakes and say that he loses them games, when as you've pointed out, his defense has let him down with multiple leads late in games. But these are the same dudes that said Hurts' fumble in the super bowl didn't contribute to the Eagles losing. It was the "defense" that blew it and Hurts had them in position to win. The hypocrisy is thick with this one lol. Not to mention Allen's weapons compared to Hurts is insanely lopsided. Could you imagine what Allen could've done with a 2K Saquon, AJ, and Devonta?

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok but you literally bashed him all last year

PS I've criticized him this year during games and will probably do so again soon. He is way down the list of causes the offenselooks bad though. Mistakes are different than making him the scapegoat.

29 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Look at who you are talking to. They want to magnify Allen's mistakes and say that he loses them games, when as you've pointed out, his defense has let him down with multiple leads late in games. But these are the same dudes that said Hurts' fumble in the super bowl didn't contribute to the Eagles losing. It was the "defense" that blew it and Hurts had them in position to win. The hypocrisy is thick with this one lol. Not to mention Allen's weapons compared to Hurts is insanely lopsided. Could you imagine what Allen could've done with a 2K Saquon, AJ, and Devonta?

Ohh ok lets talk hypocrisy, Allen didn't have weapons in your imaginary world but, Hurts down to 4 RB, banged up offensive line and top receiver, where is all the excuses for Hurts. guaranteed If Allen yesterday led them on the drive to take a lead you clowns would say what a gutty performance so take your hypocrisy and shove it up your arse

12 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Ohh ok lets talk hypocrisy, Allen didn't have weapons in your imaginary world but, Hurts down to 4 RB, banged up offensive line and top receiver, where is all the excuses for Hurts. guaranteed If Allen yesterday led them on the drive to take a lead you clowns would say what a gutty performance so take your hypocrisy and shove it up your arse

Ouch, someone is hurt by reality. I'm talking about their entire careers, not one game. That's obviously what I meant but you're trying to cherry pick situations to defend Hurts just like the rest of them. The truth is, for their entire careers, Hurts has had far better weapons around him than Allen and it isn't close. Sorry that hurt you so bad.

Holy crap 🤣

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why I posted the statistics today about hurts not having as many designed runs over the past couple years and him just not running as much. He needs to utilize that aspect of his game. If he can’t do that any more then it really levels the playing for opponents. Hurts is inconsistent as a passer. Can be great in moments and not good in others. So defenses will live with him having to beat them with his arm. Hurts himself and coaches need him to utilize his legs as it makes him and the offense more dynamic.

I was also thinking this earlier today, I am surprised Josh Allen has been as durable as he is with how much he’s runs. I get he’s a bigger guy. But he has taken some shots as a runner and not missed much if any time due to injury or concussion.

Some players are more durable than others.

As for Hurts, there's no doubt in my mind that he can still run as well as ever. QBs don't have to be speed burners when they run. They just need to be decisive. They also can't always slide.

In Sunday's game, it was ultimately the decision to kick a returnable kick that proved to be the reason we lost a game we seemingly had wrapped up. But in a game that close, you can go back to any single play and say it was a key moment. On our very first offensive series, we were 3rd and 3 at the Jags' 39 and Hurts scrambles, hesitates, and then decides to commit to the run. The hesitation allowed defenders to close a bit and then instead of using his powerful legs to fight for the 1st down, he's content to run out of bounds holding the ball behind him over a yard short of the marker. This has been a team struggling all year to convert 3rd downs and coming off a pitiful showing on 3rd downs the week before. I expect more from him then that. He's really turning into Jim Everett as a player and the offense can't get on track. The decision was made worse when we tried and failed to convert the 4th down. The first down was there for the taking if he lowers his shoulder and uses his power as a runner.

So either the coaching staff allows him to be a weapon as a runner again, or we might as well find a better QB to build the offense around. We need the Jalen that runs and passes --- not the one that gives up and waits for the defense to get him a new set of downs to squander.

3 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Ouch, someone is hurt by reality. I'm talking about their entire careers, not one game. That's obviously what I meant but you're trying to cherry pick situations to defend Hurts just like the rest of them. The truth is, for their entire careers, Hurts has had far better weapons around him than Allen and it isn't close. Sorry that hurt you so bad.

He's a better player than Hurts he just needs the same things as Hurts to win.

21 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Ohh ok lets talk hypocrisy, Allen didn't have weapons in your imaginary world but, Hurts down to 4 RB, banged up offensive line and top receiver, where is all the excuses for Hurts. guaranteed If Allen yesterday led them on the drive to take a lead you clowns would say what a gutty performance so take your hypocrisy and shove it up your arse

Also, we have scored 3 points in the second half in the past two games. You're right. What was I thinking? Such a gutsy performance to finally score some points in the second half of a game. Hurts really gutted it out getting us those 3 points

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He's a better player than Hurts he just needs the same things as Hurts to win.

Do you think Hurts is better than Allen?

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He's a better player than Hurts he just needs the same things as Hurts to win.

And not really. Allen has been winning with far worse players and team around him. Take Allen off the Bills and they probably don't sniff the playoffs. Take Hurts off the eagles and we are probably in much better shape. Super bowls are a team accomplishment. Hurts better than Dan Marino too?

12 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Do you think Hurts is better than Allen?

I think he gets to more SBs because he doesn't play hero ball and has the ability to play well in big games. Josh lives by the sword and dies by it just like the Phillies. So Josh is a better QB but he sinks his own ship too much like vs Denver with 4 turnovers last year.

18 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

And not really. Allen has been winning with far worse players and team around him. Take Allen off the Bills and they probably don't sniff the playoffs. Take Hurts off the eagles and we are probably in much better shape. Super bowls are a team accomplishment. Hurts better than Dan Marino too?

The Bills have had some talented teams. He didn't get it done. Always excuses for him and Herbert.

I love how the haters move the goalposts LOL

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I think he gets to more SBs because he doesn't play hero ball and has the ability to play well in big games. Josh lives by the sword and dies by it just like the Phillies. So Josh is a better QB but he sinks his own ship too much like vs Denver with 4 turnovers last year.

Do you know why he doesn't play hero ball? Because he sucks. Do you think throwing for 100 yards and barely scoring 20 points but having 0 turnovers is some kind of genius strategy that gets him to the super bowl so that he can unleash his true talent? Why doesn't he play all year long like he plays in the super bowl? Why can't he give us 75% in the regular season of what he does in the super bowl?

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I love how the haters move the goalposts LOL

Only ones moving the goal posts are the nut huggers. They also fail to answer direct questions and cherry pick situations to their convince?

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The Bills have had some talented teams. He didn't get it done. Always excuses for him and Herbert.

you failed to answer whether you think Hurts is better than Dan Marino since Dan also never got it done

This is the point in time where i mentioned we’ve reached more pages on the josh Allen and hurts debate then points scored by the eagles on offense in the 2nd half of games in the last 3 weeks

15 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Do you know why he doesn't play hero ball? Because he sucks. Do you think throwing for 100 yards and barely scoring 20 points but having 0 turnovers is some kind of genius strategy that gets him to the super bowl so that he can unleash his true talent? Why doesn't he play all year long like he plays in the super bowl? Why can't he give us 75% in the regular season of what he does in the super bowl?

Mic drop

16 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

you failed to answer whether you think Hurts is better than Dan Marino since Dan also never got it done

I failed to answer the same way Allen has failed to win. And with that goodnight.