42 minutes ago, mihailo said:

"Despite his struggles, Hurts enjoyed a season-high 3.36 seconds to throw per pass, nearly half a second better than his 2.89 season average entering play."

NFL.com

But how much of that is because he's escaping the pocket early and then just trying to buy time. 

Eh, Hurts is playing exactly like a rookie starting QB would play. I remember Wentz and McNabb struggling their first season as a starting QB, but hey, let's throw a tried and true failure in to see if Mr. Stache can get the job done  😄

 

Anyway, Hurts definitely has issues that need addressing, but it's all things he can work on like seeing the field better, and better timing with receivers. I still want to see how he does with a full season, because only experience and time will correct these things. Honestly, the biggest issue I have with this team is the coaching.  I can't fathom why Miles Sanders only had 9 carries. I mean the guy doesn't even have a single TD on the season yet. 

44 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Eh, Hurts is playing exactly like a rookie starting QB would play. I remember Wentz and McNabb struggling their first season as a starting QB, but hey, let's throw a tried and true failure in to see if Mr. Stache can get the job done  😄

 

Anyway, Hurts definitely has issues that need addressing, but it's all things he can work on like seeing the field better, and better timing with receivers. I still want to see how he does with a full season, because only experience and time will correct these things. Honestly, the biggest issue I have with this team is the coaching.  I can't fathom why Miles Sanders only had 9 carries. I mean the guy doesn't even have a single TD on the season yet. 

As starters: 

Minshew has a higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, higher QBR, more passing yards per game, a better TD to INT ratio and a better INT%. They are virtually the same in Y/A (6.9 to 7.04).

This is on a much worse roster, mind you. If Minshew is a "true failure" what does that make Hurts?

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

As starters: 

Minshew has a higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, higher QBR, more passing yards per game, a better TD to INT ratio and a better INT%. They are virtually the same in Y/A (6.9 to 7.04).

This is on a much worse roster, mind you. If Minshew is a "true failure" what does that make Hurts?

A bigger failure 

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

Eh, Hurts is playing exactly like a rookie starting QB would play. I remember Wentz and McNabb struggling their first season as a starting QB, but hey, let's throw a tried and true failure in to see if Mr. Stache can get the job done  😄

 

Anyway, Hurts definitely has issues that need addressing, but it's all things he can work on like seeing the field better, and better timing with receivers. I still want to see how he does with a full season, because only experience and time will correct these things. Honestly, the biggest issue I have with this team is the coaching.  I can't fathom why Miles Sanders only had 9 carries. I mean the guy doesn't even have a single TD on the season yet. 

He's not a rookie though

17 hours ago, downundermike said:

What happened to @Cochis_Calhoun, did he bail when more and more people confirmed that Jalen Hurts sucks.  Where he at @Swoop

With all due respect, I have more things to do with my life than sit on here with you and the other dreary arseholes going endlessly on about how the guy who's played ten games is just as bad as the guy that was five years and a major extension into his career was last year. I'm not like you were with Wentz last year, I'm not pretending Hurts played well on Sunday, or that he wasn't a problem, he was bad.

I just don't need to read you, mudflap avatar, Swoop or US whatever the F his name is post 'Hurts is trash' every other post for a 90 odd page Game thread, it's dull as crap and as others have pointed out it's like you're excited he's playing badly, the post I'm replying to right now would be yet another example of the phenomena, It's like 'Yo Swoop our QB is bad, can I get a high five, where's the guy who told someone entirely different to shut the F up typing a kajillion different iterations of Hurts is trash in the game thread at?'

You and Swoop want to touch each others wangs about how bad our QB played on Sunday you have at it chief, just don't expect me to reply to every post, I sometimes have dinner and drink alcohol with friends, watch movies and play video games, you should try having interests outside getting some sort of weird revenge on the bad message board men who did your boy Carson dirty last year, you'd be a better poster for it.

 

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

With all due respect, I have more things to do with my life than sit on here with you and the other dreary arseholes going endlessly on about how the guy who's played ten games is just as bad as the guy that was five years and a major extension into his career was last year. I'm not like you were with Wentz last year, I'm not pretending Hurts played well on Sunday, or that he wasn't a problem, he was bad.

I just don't need to read you, mudflap avatar, Swoop or US whatever the F his name is post 'Hurts is trash' every other post for a 90 odd page Game thread, it's dull as crap and as others have pointed out it's like you're excited he's playing badly, the post I'm replying to right now would be yet another example of the phenomena, It's like 'Yo Swoop our QB is bad, can I get a high five, where's the guy who told someone entirely different to shut the F up typing a kajillion different iterations of Hurts is trash in the game thread at?'

You and Swoop want to touch each others wangs about how bad our QB played on Sunday you have at it chief, just don't expect me to reply to every post, I sometimes have dinner and drink alcohol with friends, watch movies and play video games, you should try having interests outside getting some sort of weird revenge on the bad message board men who did your boy Carson dirty last year, you'd be a better poster for it.

 

Couple things.  
 

1.  What does any of this have to do with Wentz ??

2. Our QB played bad on Thursday, Sunday is tomorrow.

 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

Couple things.  
 

1.  What does any of this have to do with Wentz ??

2. Our QB played bad on Thursday, Sunday is tomorrow.

 

Evidently if you post on this website you aren't also capable of watching movies, hanging with friends, playing video games, etc.

Buddy got his feelings hurt.

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

With all due respect, I have more things to do with my life than sit on here with you and the other dreary arseholes going endlessly on about how the guy who's played ten games is just as bad as the guy that was five years and a major extension into his career was last year. I'm not like you were with Wentz last year, I'm not pretending Hurts played well on Sunday, or that he wasn't a problem, he was bad.

I just don't need to read you, mudflap avatar, Swoop or US whatever the F his name is post 'Hurts is trash' every other post for a 90 odd page Game thread, it's dull as crap and as others have pointed out it's like you're excited he's playing badly, the post I'm replying to right now would be yet another example of the phenomena, It's like 'Yo Swoop our QB is bad, can I get a high five, where's the guy who told someone entirely different to shut the F up typing a kajillion different iterations of Hurts is trash in the game thread at?'

You and Swoop want to touch each others wangs about how bad our QB played on Sunday you have at it chief, just don't expect me to reply to every post, I sometimes have dinner and drink alcohol with friends, watch movies and play video games, you should try having interests outside getting some sort of weird revenge on the bad message board men who did your boy Carson dirty last year, you'd be a better poster for it.

 

The echo chamber is a broken record of "ITYS - Hurts Sucks!" ad infinitum, all because some posters had the gall to doubt the last QB. 

Yeah, Hurts is looking bad and maybe he doesn't get it together, but they are positively creaming themselves over it. 

3 hours ago, Mortimer said:

The echo chamber is a broken record of "ITYS - Hurts Sucks!" ad infinitum, all because some posters had the gall to doubt the last QB. 

Yeah, Hurts is looking bad and maybe he doesn't get it together, but they are positively creaming themselves over it. 

I think people have a right to be upset about the team in general, and Hurts specifically.

Drafting him was a monumental mistake. He isn't ready for the NFL and should have been taken in the fifth round or later. He has fundamental issues that should have been apparent to the person ultimately who made the pick. If he wasn't essentially handed the job due to his draft status, there is no way he would be starting right now.

And this is just the latest in a long line of colossal blunders by the team. So I think it's fine for people to vent on this message board. Yes, it gets tiresome. But I just put most of them on ignore since they aren't adding anything to the conversation.

In the meantime, I will continue to hope Hurts turns things around. There's a lot of raw talent there. If he could get out of his own way, and if the coaches would figure out a better gameplan for him, I could easily see him being a top 10 starter in the league. He is not being outclassed by any of the draft picks this year, and despite what people on here say, he is not that far away. The Carolina game film was mostly fine with the exception of three or four mistakes. The team was more at fault than him that game. He regressed in a big way this past game, but let's see how he does against LV. I will say that his second half against the Bucs was night and day better. His footwork and decision making was much better in the second half. Three out of his four drives were fine. If he can play like that, he is fine.  

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think people have a right to be upset about the team in general, and Hurts specifically.

Drafting him was a monumental mistake. He isn't ready for the NFL and should have been taken in the fifth round or later. He has fundamental issues that should have been apparent to the person ultimately who made the pick. If he wasn't essentially handed the job due to his draft status, there is no way he would be starting right now.

And this is just the latest in a long line of colossal blunders by the team. So I think it's fine for people to vent on this message board. Yes, it gets tiresome. But I just put most of them on ignore since they aren't adding anything to the conversation.

In the meantime, I will continue to hope Hurts turns things around. There's a lot of raw talent there. If he could get out of his own way, and if the coaches would figure out a better gameplan for him, I could easily see him being a top 10 starter in the league. He is not being outclassed by any of the draft picks this year, and despite what people on here say, he is not that far away. The Carolina game film was mostly fine with the exception of three or four mistakes. The team was more at fault than him that game. He regressed in a big way this past game, but let's see how he does against LV. I will say that his second half against the Bucs was night and day better. His footwork and decision making was much better in the second half. Three out of his four drives were fine. If he can play like that, he is fine.  

In terms of the Carolina game vs the TB game his QBR actually went up vs TB, but his passer rating went down.   His last two games have possibly been the two worst of his career so far.   He’s 11% completion’s on passes over 20 yards and I think he has thrown 6 passes out of 206 between the hash marks.  Watching Oklahoma today, Caleb Williams was throwing across the middle no problem, hash marks are wider but still, Hurts acts as if he can’t see over the linemen and this is with him out of the shotgun 95-97% of his snaps, that really makes it worse.  He clears the pocket way to quickly which can be a problem for guys who have only taken snaps in college and the NFL out of the shotgun, and it makes sense if you think about how far away he is from the defense when he gets the ball. 
 Defenses are onto the screens, and his roll outs to the right, TB had 3rd stringers as DB’s and either Hurts or Siriani didn’t expose them, somehow they exposed Hurts.   The tape is out now, it’s gonna be up to him to execute. 

12 hours ago, Mortimer said:

The echo chamber is a broken record of "ITYS - Hurts Sucks!" ad infinitum, all because some posters had the gall to doubt the last QB. 

Yeah, Hurts is looking bad and maybe he doesn't get it together, but they are positively creaming themselves over it. 

I'm a broken record on Hurts, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the last QB and everything to do with being called a hater, racist, terrorist, etc for always seeing what some are just now realizing.

On 10/15/2021 at 12:33 PM, downundermike said:

@justrelax you got some all 22 for us.  There was the throw that should have gone to Sanders that went to Reagor on 3rd down during the second possession.  There is also one, had two receivers on the left, both run about a 10 yard mesh route, one came wide open, but Hurts had already dumped off a short pass to the right side.

Can you give me more information about the second play? What quarter, time, down, anything to keep me having to search the whole game?

On 10/15/2021 at 12:33 PM, downundermike said:

@justrelax you got some all 22 for us.  There was the throw that should have gone to Sanders that went to Reagor on 3rd down during the second possession.  There is also one, had two receivers on the left, both run about a 10 yard mesh route, one came wide open, but Hurts had already dumped off a short pass to the right side.

Here's the first one. You are correct that Sanders would have been the better choice. However, note that on the other side of the field there's no one within 8-10 yards of Smith.

 

 

20 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Here's the first one. You are correct that Sanders would have been the better choice. However, note that on the other side of the field there's no one within 8-10 yards of Smith.

The miss was not going to Ertz. Smith was never going to be part of the play. It's a two step drop with an unblocked rusher. Reagor is the first read and Hurts never goes anywhere else, but he should have been looking at Ertz first, since he was always going to have leverage on the defender. But the previous play was the same route and it worked, so it's hard to blame him.

 

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The miss was not going to Ertz. Smith was never going to be part of the play. It's a two step drop with an unblocked rusher. Reagor is the first read and Hurts never goes anywhere else, but he should have been looking at Ertz first, since he was always going to have leverage on the defender. But the previous play was the same route and it worked, so it's hard to blame him.

Can't agree. He has enough time to make the throw to Smith. It should have been a pre-snap read but he never looked that way. It doesn't hurt to look at the defensive alignment before the snap. You're right that the previous play was the same route (to Smith) so he was going to that receiver (in this case Reagor) regardless. Doesn't mean he should have.

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Can't agree. He has enough time to make the throw to Smith. It should have been a pre-snap read but he never looked that way. It doesn't hurt to look at the defensive alignment before the snap. You're right that the previous play was the same route (to Smith) so he was going to that receiver (in this case Reagor) regardless. Doesn't mean he should have.

If he goes to Smith the corner is obviously going to play much differently. You can't say that Smith would win based on the tape, since neither player is really doing much.

But look at what we know pre-snap. We know 45 is most likely covering Ertz, who is running a dig. So we know that he's going to be coming from Ertz's right, and then trying to cover him as he breaks inside. That's almost impossible to do because his momentum will be going in the opposite direction.

Once 45 drops into coverage, Ertz has to be the first read. And the tape is pretty clear he was open.

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think people have a right to be upset about the team in general, and Hurts specifically.

Drafting him was a monumental mistake.

No it wasn’t.

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

He isn't ready for the NFL and should have been taken in the fifth round or later.

Haha, oh god..

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

He has fundamental issues that should have been apparent to the person ultimately who made the pick. If he wasn't essentially handed the job due to his draft status, there is no way he would be starting right now.

Flacco sucks. This was easy.

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

And this is just the latest in a long line of colossal blunders by the team. So I think it's fine for people to vent on this message board. Yes, it gets tiresome. But I just put most of them on ignore since they aren't adding anything to the conversation.

Doom and Gloom is well learned for any older Eagles fan I suppose. Still some appear to enjoy misery.

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

In the meantime, I will continue to hope Hurts turns things around. There's a lot of raw talent there. If he could get out of his own way, and if the coaches would figure out a better gameplan for him, I could easily see him being a top 10 starter in the league.

Agreed. If you can see that- that alone makes him a worthy second round pick.

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

He is not being outclassed by any of the draft picks this year, and despite what people on here say, he is not that far away. The Carolina game film was mostly fine with the exception of three or four mistakes. The team was more at fault than him that game. He regressed in a big way this past game, but let's see how he does against LV. I will say that his second half against the Bucs was night and day better. His footwork and decision making was much better in the second half. Three out of his four drives were fine. If he can play like that, he is fine.  

He will be. But apparently we are still searching for our identity..

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

If he goes to Smith the corner is obviously going to play much differently. You can't say that Smith would win based on the tape, since neither player is really doing much.

But look at what we know pre-snap. We know 45 is most likely covering Ertz, who is running a dig. So we know that he's going to be coming from Ertz's right, and then trying to cover him as he breaks inside. That's almost impossible to do because his momentum will be going in the opposite direction.

Once 45 drops into coverage, Ertz has to be the first read. And the tape is pretty clear he was open.

It's 3rd and 3. The CB is giving Smith a 10-yard cushion. More, on the first step Smith takes, the CB retreats. That's how the CB plays it, period. Any difference will be too late. That's a first down so long as Hurts doesn't short arm the throw. Instead, Hurts goes to Reagor with a DB right on him.

Bad decision and non-existent pre-snap read.

On 10/16/2021 at 1:11 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But how much of that is because he's escaping the pocket early and then just trying to buy time. 

He left the pocket far too early and didn't step up into it on numerous occasions. At times he catches himself being antsy and resets in the pocket after being flustered. Unfortunately this correlates with his scouting report from college. 

Quote

 

WEAKNESSES

—Doesn’t play with much urgency in the pocket while reading the defense and will have to speed up his process.

—Arm motion is stiff and delayed, but showed improvements at the Senior Bowl and combine.

—Must learn to play from within the pocket; has a Baker Mayfield-like habit of leaving clean pockets early.

—Fumbles a concern on the run and in the pocket.

—Goes through streaks of poor accuracy, largely due to mechanics. Has to learn to trust his arm and rip it more often instead of stopping his motion and analyzing. 

—Arm strength is good but not great, which causes some passes to die.

 

Also from NFL.com:

 

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Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

 

 

I still think he needs time to slow the game down and get the repetitions in, but it would be nice to see some progress soon.

Hurts sucks he's really bad and they need to go with Minshew after this next game if he regress further. His accuracy is terrible his field vision is terrible he's a back up qb period. He's a fill in period. 

Let's see Minshew after this next game if it's a loss. Either way this season will be over if we lose more than 3 more games. Hurts has hurt himself repeatedly and the coach is letting him hurt himself with no help. Oh and Carson looked good today so the twisting of the knife it is. 

15 hours ago, jsb235 said:

If he goes to Smith the corner is obviously going to play much differently. You can't say that Smith would win based on the tape, since neither player is really doing much.

But look at what we know pre-snap. We know 45 is most likely covering Ertz, who is running a dig. So we know that he's going to be coming from Ertz's right, and then trying to cover him as he breaks inside. That's almost impossible to do because his momentum will be going in the opposite direction.

Once 45 drops into coverage, Ertz has to be the first read. And the tape is pretty clear he was open.

Yes, you can..

On 10/17/2021 at 2:57 AM, The Blackfish said:

In terms of the Carolina game vs the TB game his QBR actually went up vs TB, but his passer rating went down.   His last two games have possibly been the two worst of his career so far.   He’s 11% completion’s on passes over 20 yards and I think he has thrown 6 passes out of 206 between the hash marks.  Watching Oklahoma today, Caleb Williams was throwing across the middle no problem, hash marks are wider but still, Hurts acts as if he can’t see over the linemen and this is with him out of the shotgun 95-97% of his snaps, that really makes it worse.  He clears the pocket way to quickly which can be a problem for guys who have only taken snaps in college and the NFL out of the shotgun, and it makes sense if you think about how far away he is from the defense when he gets the ball. 
 Defenses are onto the screens, and his roll outs to the right, TB had 3rd stringers as DB’s and either Hurts or Siriani didn’t expose them, somehow they exposed Hurts.   The tape is out now, it’s gonna be up to him to execute. 

He's been blueprinted by other teams.  Between his skill set and the predictable offense they have to run for him, it's going to be tough sledding in most games.

11 hours ago, mihailo said:

He left the pocket far too early and didn't step up into it on numerous occasions. At times he catches himself being antsy and resets in the pocket after being flustered. Unfortunately this correlates with his scouting report from college. 

Also from NFL.com:

 

 

I still think he needs time to slow the game down and get the repetitions in, but it would be nice to see some progress soon.

The interesting part of those scouting reports is that every point is still evident after 2 seasons of NFL coaching and having hired a personal QB coach.  That's not good and shows that he has a long road ahead (if he improves at all).

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The interesting part of those scouting reports is that every point is still evident after 2 seasons of NFL coaching and having hired a personal QB coach.  That's not good and shows that he has a long road ahead (if he improves at all).

Like I said before arm strength and accuracy is a hell of an uphill battle cause not only do you struggle getting the ball there because of arm strength he also can't get it there accurately... Now you can add timing and decision making on top of that . All those things are working against each other and none of that is getting fixed mid season.